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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2004/11/11/what-is-wrong-with-australian-films/#comment-12949</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophie

I haven&#039;t seen as many Australian films over the last 2 or 3 years as I would have liked, so my evaluation is a very partial one.  But I generally agree with your comments.  Mostly the problem comes down to poor script writing and self-indulgent editing (leading to flabby, overly long films with slight story lines).

Mostly the acting is excellent as is the cinematography.  But that isn&#039;t enough. A beautifully filmed and acted piece of rubbish is still rubbish.  This year&#039;s AFI best film award winner Somersault (which jen and I saw the other night and were disappointed by) is a good example.  I wouldn&#039;t quite call it a piece of rubbish but it certainly didn&#039;t merit a best film award (althought the acting and cinematography were generally excellent).

I hate to sound like a stereotyped RWDB, but I reckon part of the problem flows from the narrow, urban middle class latte left background of many if not most current Australian film-makers.  As you commented, they seem to have little connection with and no sympathy for real Australian characters and situations (or even real life situations, dilemmas, nuances in general).  There are, of course, honourable exceptions, and Lantana is one of them.  But I don&#039;t find it easy to recall many other examples in the serious drama genre.

Comedy is a slightly different picture.  Some films of a few years ago (e.g Muriel&#039;s Wedding; Strictly Ballroom) worked really well.  But cartoonish cardboard cutout characters and situations don&#039;t really matter all that much in that genre.

Your suggestion of adapting Australian novels is an excellent one.  There are numerous novels by people like Tim Winton, David Malouf, Peter Carey and others that would make excellent movies. And they&#039;d be a lot more bankable than some of the scripts that actually get turned into films at the moment. I wonder why this doesn&#039;t happen more often?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophie</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen as many Australian films over the last 2 or 3 years as I would have liked, so my evaluation is a very partial one.  But I generally agree with your comments.  Mostly the problem comes down to poor script writing and self-indulgent editing (leading to flabby, overly long films with slight story lines).</p>
<p>Mostly the acting is excellent as is the cinematography.  But that isn&#8217;t enough. A beautifully filmed and acted piece of rubbish is still rubbish.  This year&#8217;s AFI best film award winner Somersault (which jen and I saw the other night and were disappointed by) is a good example.  I wouldn&#8217;t quite call it a piece of rubbish but it certainly didn&#8217;t merit a best film award (althought the acting and cinematography were generally excellent).</p>
<p>I hate to sound like a stereotyped RWDB, but I reckon part of the problem flows from the narrow, urban middle class latte left background of many if not most current Australian film-makers.  As you commented, they seem to have little connection with and no sympathy for real Australian characters and situations (or even real life situations, dilemmas, nuances in general).  There are, of course, honourable exceptions, and Lantana is one of them.  But I don&#8217;t find it easy to recall many other examples in the serious drama genre.</p>
<p>Comedy is a slightly different picture.  Some films of a few years ago (e.g Muriel&#8217;s Wedding; Strictly Ballroom) worked really well.  But cartoonish cardboard cutout characters and situations don&#8217;t really matter all that much in that genre.</p>
<p>Your suggestion of adapting Australian novels is an excellent one.  There are numerous novels by people like Tim Winton, David Malouf, Peter Carey and others that would make excellent movies. And they&#8217;d be a lot more bankable than some of the scripts that actually get turned into films at the moment. I wonder why this doesn&#8217;t happen more often?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Soon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Soon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t relate well to Australian films either. I find them to be too camp and overblown, almost histrionic. Even when they start well, something seems to happen towards the end and the writer loses the plot (so to speak).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t relate well to Australian films either. I find them to be too camp and overblown, almost histrionic. Even when they start well, something seems to happen towards the end and the writer loses the plot (so to speak).</p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2004/11/11/what-is-wrong-with-australian-films/#comment-12951</link>
		<dc:creator>sophie</dc:creator>
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		<description>yes, it&#039;s bizarre, that more Australian novels are not adapted by Australian film-makers. I actually had the annoying experience of having a couple of novels optioned (one of them twice!) but though the producers who took them on were very keen, they simply got no joy at all from the powers that be, funding bodies etc. That happens often, I think: many of the people who decide things simply don&#039;t have a clue about what people would really like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, it&#8217;s bizarre, that more Australian novels are not adapted by Australian film-makers. I actually had the annoying experience of having a couple of novels optioned (one of them twice!) but though the producers who took them on were very keen, they simply got no joy at all from the powers that be, funding bodies etc. That happens often, I think: many of the people who decide things simply don&#8217;t have a clue about what people would really like to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW The other night I saw the shorts of a new Australian film called A Man&#039;s Gotta Do, that stars John Howard as a standover man with a troublesome daughter and a heart of gold.  It looks like it might be worth a visit.  Has anyone else seen it yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW The other night I saw the shorts of a new Australian film called A Man&#8217;s Gotta Do, that stars John Howard as a standover man with a troublesome daughter and a heart of gold.  It looks like it might be worth a visit.  Has anyone else seen it yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophie, part of the problem might be the size of the market.  There seems to be a desperation to produce Aussie films which will also appeal to the US market - hence, an over-emphasis on comedy, campishness.

I don&#039;t know too much about this, but I seem to remember that a speaker at a recent industry forum attributed the decline of Oz film to the funding model for industry support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophie, part of the problem might be the size of the market.  There seems to be a desperation to produce Aussie films which will also appeal to the US market &#8211; hence, an over-emphasis on comedy, campishness.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know too much about this, but I seem to remember that a speaker at a recent industry forum attributed the decline of Oz film to the funding model for industry support.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
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		<description>There does seem to be an abundance of quirkiness in Aussie films, or at least the successful ones.  Strictly Ballroom, The Castle, Muriel&#039;s Wedding, Pricilla.  

Perhaps that part of the problem, and yes there is a problem. Too many films try to be quirky these days and they end up instead being cringeworthy.

The problem also may have something to do with believability.   Would we believe in a &#039;big&#039; story?  One with lots of guns and violence?  Mostly this stuff happens elsewhere, not in Australia, and although there might be a few Australian participants, there&#039;s bound to a lot more Americans running around calling the shots.

The only big successful shootem up that I can remember being set in Australia is Mad Max, and the only reason that worked was that it wasn&#039;t this Australia.

There was of course, Gallipolli, which was pretty good, and personally, on this Rememberance day, I&#039;d like to see a good historical war movie called &quot;Kokoda&quot;  or  &quot;Pashendale&quot;

The recent spate of underworld murders in Melbourne would have to make a pretty exiting story, and come to think of it &quot;Chopper&quot; was brilliant.

Sophie, I endorse your call.  Its time to ditch quirky, its time to get bloody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There does seem to be an abundance of quirkiness in Aussie films, or at least the successful ones.  Strictly Ballroom, The Castle, Muriel&#8217;s Wedding, Pricilla.  </p>
<p>Perhaps that part of the problem, and yes there is a problem. Too many films try to be quirky these days and they end up instead being cringeworthy.</p>
<p>The problem also may have something to do with believability.   Would we believe in a &#8216;big&#8217; story?  One with lots of guns and violence?  Mostly this stuff happens elsewhere, not in Australia, and although there might be a few Australian participants, there&#8217;s bound to a lot more Americans running around calling the shots.</p>
<p>The only big successful shootem up that I can remember being set in Australia is Mad Max, and the only reason that worked was that it wasn&#8217;t this Australia.</p>
<p>There was of course, Gallipolli, which was pretty good, and personally, on this Rememberance day, I&#8217;d like to see a good historical war movie called &#8220;Kokoda&#8221;  or  &#8220;Pashendale&#8221;</p>
<p>The recent spate of underworld murders in Melbourne would have to make a pretty exiting story, and come to think of it &#8220;Chopper&#8221; was brilliant.</p>
<p>Sophie, I endorse your call.  Its time to ditch quirky, its time to get bloody.</p>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophie</dc:creator>
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		<description>yes, that&#039;s right, Rex, the Melbourne underworld wars would make a great Godfather-style saga. I&#039;ve kept clippings of stuff related to that--an extraordinary photo of an underworld funeral for instance--which struck me immediately as the basis of a good story. And there&#039;s the ethnic angle too, there--the old time Anglo-Celtic crooks, the Italian ones, the Lebanese, etc..and some interesting sexual politics and family stuff, like around Carl Williams&#039; wife, or the matriarch of another clan..
BTW a US production company has bought the rights to reformed crim Gregory David Roberts&#039; action-packed autobiographical novel &#039;Shantaram&#039;..it&#039;ll star Johnny Depp..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, that&#8217;s right, Rex, the Melbourne underworld wars would make a great Godfather-style saga. I&#8217;ve kept clippings of stuff related to that&#8211;an extraordinary photo of an underworld funeral for instance&#8211;which struck me immediately as the basis of a good story. And there&#8217;s the ethnic angle too, there&#8211;the old time Anglo-Celtic crooks, the Italian ones, the Lebanese, etc..and some interesting sexual politics and family stuff, like around Carl Williams&#8217; wife, or the matriarch of another clan..<br />
BTW a US production company has bought the rights to reformed crim Gregory David Roberts&#8217; action-packed autobiographical novel &#8216;Shantaram&#8217;..it&#8217;ll star Johnny Depp..</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophie

Sorry, I should have included the fantasy genre.  There are numerous fantasy works, especially yours, that would also make excellent movies.  And Australia has the digital production and editing skills (Finding Nemo, The Matrix series etc) to make fantasy films that stand up with the best in the world (as does New Zealand, with LOTR being undoubtedly the best fabtasy films ever made).

Jen and I also went last week to see a local youth theatre production of a play derived from The Obernewtyn Chronicles by Australian author Isobelle Carmody.  It&#039;s more children&#039;s sci-fi than fantasy, and I haven&#039;t read the books.  But judging by the play it would certainly be possible to make an excellent film from this material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophie</p>
<p>Sorry, I should have included the fantasy genre.  There are numerous fantasy works, especially yours, that would also make excellent movies.  And Australia has the digital production and editing skills (Finding Nemo, The Matrix series etc) to make fantasy films that stand up with the best in the world (as does New Zealand, with LOTR being undoubtedly the best fabtasy films ever made).</p>
<p>Jen and I also went last week to see a local youth theatre production of a play derived from The Obernewtyn Chronicles by Australian author Isobelle Carmody.  It&#8217;s more children&#8217;s sci-fi than fantasy, and I haven&#8217;t read the books.  But judging by the play it would certainly be possible to make an excellent film from this material.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
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		<description>Generally the best work in recent Australian film seems to have come from quasi-outsiders, especially TV comedians. Chopper with former funnyman Bana is an example. Another one is Bad Eggs, which was a competent and unpretentious little comedy thriller.

I figure that comedians must understand their subjects to satirise or recreate them. Good comedians have an instinctual skill at striking towards the human condition for a laugh. It&#039;s their job.

Actually comedians tend to be excellent actors, I&#039;ve noticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally the best work in recent Australian film seems to have come from quasi-outsiders, especially TV comedians. Chopper with former funnyman Bana is an example. Another one is Bad Eggs, which was a competent and unpretentious little comedy thriller.</p>
<p>I figure that comedians must understand their subjects to satirise or recreate them. Good comedians have an instinctual skill at striking towards the human condition for a laugh. It&#8217;s their job.</p>
<p>Actually comedians tend to be excellent actors, I&#8217;ve noticed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
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		<description>Anyone thinking of writing a script based on the melbourne gangland murders could do a lot worse than starting their research by browsing the excellent and very comprehensive Melbourne Crime website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone thinking of writing a script based on the melbourne gangland murders could do a lot worse than starting their research by browsing the excellent and very comprehensive Melbourne Crime website.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
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		<description>You might like to look at my blog posting on this issue.  The big question seems to be  &quot;why are dud scripts getting filmed before they are fixed&quot;, and I offer some modest proposals for dealing with this problem (most involving making sure the FFC doesn&#039;t finance dud scripts).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might like to look at my blog posting on this issue.  The big question seems to be  &#8220;why are dud scripts getting filmed before they are fixed&#8221;, and I offer some modest proposals for dealing with this problem (most involving making sure the FFC doesn&#8217;t finance dud scripts).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
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		<description>Robert

I didn&#039;t even realise you had a blog.  I&#039;ll add it to the Troppo blogroll next time I muster the motivation to update it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even realise you had a blog.  I&#8217;ll add it to the Troppo blogroll next time I muster the motivation to update it.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
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		<description>OMG it&#039;s another local!</description>
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		<title>By: sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sophie</dc:creator>
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		<description>Ken, glad to hear there&#039;s a play based on the Obernewtyn Chronicles--and yes, I&#039;ve read em&#039; all, they&#039;d make a great film or two--or TV series. Others to include(besides those of yours truly, of course--I reckon my latest, Indonesian-flavoured fantasy,Snow, Fire, Sword would make a great film, either live action or anime!)would be Patricia Wrightson&#039;s The Wirrun Trilogy--magnificent books featuring Aboriginal heroes and a richly-textured background of Aboriginal folklore; Sara Douglass&#039; books; Garth Nix&#039;s books; Sean Williams&#039; parallel-Australia novels; Sean Mc Mullen&#039;s grand operatic science fiction novels, and tons more. There&#039;s also lots of beautiful kids&#039; fantasy that could work as animation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, glad to hear there&#8217;s a play based on the Obernewtyn Chronicles&#8211;and yes, I&#8217;ve read em&#8217; all, they&#8217;d make a great film or two&#8211;or TV series. Others to include(besides those of yours truly, of course&#8211;I reckon my latest, Indonesian-flavoured fantasy,Snow, Fire, Sword would make a great film, either live action or anime!)would be Patricia Wrightson&#8217;s The Wirrun Trilogy&#8211;magnificent books featuring Aboriginal heroes and a richly-textured background of Aboriginal folklore; Sara Douglass&#8217; books; Garth Nix&#8217;s books; Sean Williams&#8217; parallel-Australia novels; Sean Mc Mullen&#8217;s grand operatic science fiction novels, and tons more. There&#8217;s also lots of beautiful kids&#8217; fantasy that could work as animation.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
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		<description>It always seemed to me that the blessing and the curse of the Australian film industry was that it talked English.

Unlike continental Europeans, who can create a niche market with their &#039;arty&#039; films, Australia is much more easier to swamp and penetrate from Hollywood because we share the same language. Sometimes this works the other way (Shine) but it very rare.

While we are happy to see &#039;our&#039; Kates, Nicoles, Rachels etc. (and in the past directors) making it big in LA, this does create a talent deficit which is hard to be breached.

So the question is should Australian films concentrate on the Swedish model, making art-house films that are critically acclaimed and win prices in Venice etc. But may not have popular appeal. Or should we follow the New Zealand path of basically become an Holywood off-shore a la Lord of the Rings? (which employs plenty of editors, technicians etc).

The other thing about being popular and so on.  &#039;Rabbit-Proof Fence&#039; was on TV last night.  It was one of the most popular Australian films when it came out and was on top of the TV ratings last Sunday beating a Lord of the Rings movie on Channel 9.  We hear about people switching off in movies that confront our past but this seems not to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always seemed to me that the blessing and the curse of the Australian film industry was that it talked English.</p>
<p>Unlike continental Europeans, who can create a niche market with their &#8216;arty&#8217; films, Australia is much more easier to swamp and penetrate from Hollywood because we share the same language. Sometimes this works the other way (Shine) but it very rare.</p>
<p>While we are happy to see &#8216;our&#8217; Kates, Nicoles, Rachels etc. (and in the past directors) making it big in LA, this does create a talent deficit which is hard to be breached.</p>
<p>So the question is should Australian films concentrate on the Swedish model, making art-house films that are critically acclaimed and win prices in Venice etc. But may not have popular appeal. Or should we follow the New Zealand path of basically become an Holywood off-shore a la Lord of the Rings? (which employs plenty of editors, technicians etc).</p>
<p>The other thing about being popular and so on.  &#8216;Rabbit-Proof Fence&#8217; was on TV last night.  It was one of the most popular Australian films when it came out and was on top of the TV ratings last Sunday beating a Lord of the Rings movie on Channel 9.  We hear about people switching off in movies that confront our past but this seems not to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
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		<description>Or could it be that it&#039;s the same old hacks writing the some old cliche&#039; riddled tripe to be translated by the same old crews and played by the same old actors, all of whom are reliant on public funding to get the project off the drawing board? I watched the IF awards last night, and it was always &quot;whine we were up against Shrek 2 grizzle&quot;- the big difference being films like Shrek 2 Had people put their own money up to finance, and other people spent their own money to see. There were almost catcalls and hissing when the box-office award was announced, as if success is a sign of failure to the luvvies. Admittedly the award winner was appalling, but at least people paid to see it. Highlifgr was John Saffran slagging off the assembled culture commissars in pre-recorded vignettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or could it be that it&#8217;s the same old hacks writing the some old cliche&#8217; riddled tripe to be translated by the same old crews and played by the same old actors, all of whom are reliant on public funding to get the project off the drawing board? I watched the IF awards last night, and it was always &#8220;whine we were up against Shrek 2 grizzle&#8221;- the big difference being films like Shrek 2 Had people put their own money up to finance, and other people spent their own money to see. There were almost catcalls and hissing when the box-office award was announced, as if success is a sign of failure to the luvvies. Admittedly the award winner was appalling, but at least people paid to see it. Highlifgr was John Saffran slagging off the assembled culture commissars in pre-recorded vignettes.</p>
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		<title>By: jOZEF</title>
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		<dc:creator>jOZEF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaps of food for thought 

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<p>Hope this entry gets widest readership &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Tiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stew of responses here, bubbling with ideas. I am going to do a post about this and kick it around for myself carefully. I&#039;ve done my time in film bureaucracies and I am just as frustrated as everyone else. 

Generally speaking, in the thinking bits of the film industry like the independent producers, the guilds and associations, the bureaucrats and the FFC, there is a general consensus that something needs to happen a lot better. There is a very big problem and the business seems to be going down the toilet. 

Whether that translates to a heartfelt search around the question: What am I doing wrong? is another matter of course. And here we are no more or less honest than any other sector. Sugar production? Want to talk about cotton and water useage?

To some extent the current industry and community questioning has been obscured by recent politics. The industry has had to defend itself in public at the same time as some ruthless internal analysis has gone on. It is very wise of the industry to recognise that audiences, like the people on this blog, approach watching Australian films with hope and affection.

There&#039;s a huge number of issues in here. One of the big ones is cash; almost all our films are ludicrously underbudgeted which cramps the mind all the way back to choosing which book to option. 

The careers of Australian directors are very salutary. We have a lot of great directors, but they don&#039;t work here. Imagine what the AFIs would be like if there was a Noyce film up against an Armstrong against Weir etc, all set here and telling our stories. No more lame, half assed shit.

The halcyon days of director creation ended with the end of 10BA, and the removal of protection on Australian commercials. Made even worse by the slow collapse of training in television by Grundy&#039;s (so I am told) and the ABC.

So the pressure is on the bureaucrats - the AFC and state agencies - to provide the support for development of people and talents. But there ain&#039;t enough cash, and the government should anyway only have a subsidiary role - it is better if the marketplace makes the running and provides the practice. Even if it is an artificial market.

It is important to recognise that no-one makes a living or is fully employed in creative origination in the Australian film industry, at home. It just isn&#039;t that big. There is a terrible lack of practice, and we all rely on work in other sectors. Mostly television, which is suffering from falling real budgets, and the ruthlessness of commercial proprietors, crossed with the dilemmas of the national broadcasters. 

Over the last ten years, I reckon we can fairly say that the crap factor is no worse than anyone else&#039;s. We don&#039;t get to see the ghastly, talky arthouse movies that the French and Germans put out in great quantities; a lot of the serious films at film festivals are fascinating but wouldn&#039;t find a larger audience. And Hollywood&#039;s strike rate is low too - we&#039;ve done the research on that. 

The trouble is, of course, that it is one thing to identify the issues, and quite another to fix it. All the above just makes people feel really grim.

I don&#039;t have any answers either, except to note that people like the Canadians really do put a lot more government money in than we do, and they are a pretty comparable society. The per capita subsidy rate in Britain of the motion picture arts, including television, is at least five times ours. That is a bloody big difference. Generally speaking, we can say that the solution is to put in significantly more money, while agreeing on the disciplines that the industry should adopt. 

I suggest that would mostly take the form of subsidising top level television production, for telefeatures, minseries and the initial run of eps for series. The Commercial Television Production Fund from 1996-99 was pretty successful at this and killing it was a big mistake. 

My particular plug is this: it is virtually impossible in Australia for a screenwriter to get a script made which was written independently. I think that is a terrible indictment, which shuts out some of our most creative and independent people. And the cheapest to develop. 

Do you know what Chopper grossed in the US? $236,185
The Boys? - no sale
The Castle? - $877,621
The Rabbit Proof Fence? - Six mill; sixteen mill world wide.

Figures from Box Office Mojo. These are gross numbers, not amounts to the investors, and wouldn&#039;t cover the marketing budget. Even the ..Fence is pretty bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stew of responses here, bubbling with ideas. I am going to do a post about this and kick it around for myself carefully. I&#8217;ve done my time in film bureaucracies and I am just as frustrated as everyone else. </p>
<p>Generally speaking, in the thinking bits of the film industry like the independent producers, the guilds and associations, the bureaucrats and the FFC, there is a general consensus that something needs to happen a lot better. There is a very big problem and the business seems to be going down the toilet. </p>
<p>Whether that translates to a heartfelt search around the question: What am I doing wrong? is another matter of course. And here we are no more or less honest than any other sector. Sugar production? Want to talk about cotton and water useage?</p>
<p>To some extent the current industry and community questioning has been obscured by recent politics. The industry has had to defend itself in public at the same time as some ruthless internal analysis has gone on. It is very wise of the industry to recognise that audiences, like the people on this blog, approach watching Australian films with hope and affection.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a huge number of issues in here. One of the big ones is cash; almost all our films are ludicrously underbudgeted which cramps the mind all the way back to choosing which book to option. </p>
<p>The careers of Australian directors are very salutary. We have a lot of great directors, but they don&#8217;t work here. Imagine what the AFIs would be like if there was a Noyce film up against an Armstrong against Weir etc, all set here and telling our stories. No more lame, half assed shit.</p>
<p>The halcyon days of director creation ended with the end of 10BA, and the removal of protection on Australian commercials. Made even worse by the slow collapse of training in television by Grundy&#8217;s (so I am told) and the ABC.</p>
<p>So the pressure is on the bureaucrats &#8211; the AFC and state agencies &#8211; to provide the support for development of people and talents. But there ain&#8217;t enough cash, and the government should anyway only have a subsidiary role &#8211; it is better if the marketplace makes the running and provides the practice. Even if it is an artificial market.</p>
<p>It is important to recognise that no-one makes a living or is fully employed in creative origination in the Australian film industry, at home. It just isn&#8217;t that big. There is a terrible lack of practice, and we all rely on work in other sectors. Mostly television, which is suffering from falling real budgets, and the ruthlessness of commercial proprietors, crossed with the dilemmas of the national broadcasters. </p>
<p>Over the last ten years, I reckon we can fairly say that the crap factor is no worse than anyone else&#8217;s. We don&#8217;t get to see the ghastly, talky arthouse movies that the French and Germans put out in great quantities; a lot of the serious films at film festivals are fascinating but wouldn&#8217;t find a larger audience. And Hollywood&#8217;s strike rate is low too &#8211; we&#8217;ve done the research on that. </p>
<p>The trouble is, of course, that it is one thing to identify the issues, and quite another to fix it. All the above just makes people feel really grim.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any answers either, except to note that people like the Canadians really do put a lot more government money in than we do, and they are a pretty comparable society. The per capita subsidy rate in Britain of the motion picture arts, including television, is at least five times ours. That is a bloody big difference. Generally speaking, we can say that the solution is to put in significantly more money, while agreeing on the disciplines that the industry should adopt. </p>
<p>I suggest that would mostly take the form of subsidising top level television production, for telefeatures, minseries and the initial run of eps for series. The Commercial Television Production Fund from 1996-99 was pretty successful at this and killing it was a big mistake. </p>
<p>My particular plug is this: it is virtually impossible in Australia for a screenwriter to get a script made which was written independently. I think that is a terrible indictment, which shuts out some of our most creative and independent people. And the cheapest to develop. </p>
<p>Do you know what Chopper grossed in the US? $236,185<br />
The Boys? &#8211; no sale<br />
The Castle? &#8211; $877,621<br />
The Rabbit Proof Fence? &#8211; Six mill; sixteen mill world wide.</p>
<p>Figures from Box Office Mojo. These are gross numbers, not amounts to the investors, and wouldn&#8217;t cover the marketing budget. Even the ..Fence is pretty bad.</p>
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		<title>By: PB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume, David, that you&#039;re involved in the &quot;industry&quot;, hence your idea of siphoning a further bucketload of other people&#039;s money into a floundering supposedly commercial enterprise. Great plan- we&#039;ve seen the result of similar action, with basket cases such as Mitsubishi and Queensland sugar.
People involved in the industry and the very few who go to Australian movies think this is a great plan- the vast majority who have to stump up the dibs don&#039;t share that view.
Film, like art and music are industries, and should sink or swim on their merits, not on their nationality.
If the Aust film industry folded overnight 99% of the population would neither notice, or care.
If someone chooses a life of &quot;creativity&quot;, fine- I&#039;m all for freedom of choice- however I don&#039;t expect to be press-ganged into subsidising that lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume, David, that you&#8217;re involved in the &#8220;industry&#8221;, hence your idea of siphoning a further bucketload of other people&#8217;s money into a floundering supposedly commercial enterprise. Great plan- we&#8217;ve seen the result of similar action, with basket cases such as Mitsubishi and Queensland sugar.<br />
People involved in the industry and the very few who go to Australian movies think this is a great plan- the vast majority who have to stump up the dibs don&#8217;t share that view.<br />
Film, like art and music are industries, and should sink or swim on their merits, not on their nationality.<br />
If the Aust film industry folded overnight 99% of the population would neither notice, or care.<br />
If someone chooses a life of &#8220;creativity&#8221;, fine- I&#8217;m all for freedom of choice- however I don&#8217;t expect to be press-ganged into subsidising that lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re not concerned about funding &quot;culture&quot;, then I guess I shouldn&#039;t be concerned about funding a military to protect that &quot;culture&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re not concerned about funding &#8220;culture&#8221;, then I guess I shouldn&#8217;t be concerned about funding a military to protect that &#8220;culture&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;most involving making sure the FFC doesn&#039;t finance dud scripts).&quot;

Bingo!  Too many half hour long scripts packed into 120 minutes, nervously sheparded through a self-interested establishedment.

Bring back the 10BA. Sure crap films got made through it but so did good ones. The thing was a lotta films got made and a lotta careers got launched -from name directors to world-class techs. Let the market decide. After all the audiences will.

Working on a film project m&#039;self now and we feel fuck Australia. We&#039;re going straight to Singapore, Honkers and South Korea for the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;most involving making sure the FFC doesn&#8217;t finance dud scripts).&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo!  Too many half hour long scripts packed into 120 minutes, nervously sheparded through a self-interested establishedment.</p>
<p>Bring back the 10BA. Sure crap films got made through it but so did good ones. The thing was a lotta films got made and a lotta careers got launched -from name directors to world-class techs. Let the market decide. After all the audiences will.</p>
<p>Working on a film project m&#8217;self now and we feel fuck Australia. We&#8217;re going straight to Singapore, Honkers and South Korea for the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Graham. Either way, America would step in to fill our needs if we cut off all funding. But that would make us a US &quot;client state&quot;. Isn&#039;t that a fate worse than death for you people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Graham. Either way, America would step in to fill our needs if we cut off all funding. But that would make us a US &#8220;client state&#8221;. Isn&#8217;t that a fate worse than death for you people?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony.T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony.T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fate worse than death is being forced to watch Japanese Story.</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last three NZ films that I&#039;ve seen have left most Australian ones for dead.  &#039;In my father&#039;s den&#039;, &#039;Whale rider&#039; and &#039;Once were warriers&#039;.  (I&#039;m ignoring Lord of the Rings as it was more of a Hollywood film even if it was filmed in NZ and directed by a NZer.)  That spans a fair bit of time but I can&#039;t remember an Australian film that came close to any of them.  Anyone who hasn&#039;t seen &#039;In my father&#039;s den&#039; - do.  Best film I&#039;ve seen in years.  Of note given the discussion above, is that at least two of them (I don&#039;t know about &#039;Whale rider&#039;) were adapted from well known novels. 

In checking that &#039;In my fathers den&#039; was adapted from a novel and not a short story I came apon this from a website review.  &quot;The New Zealand-UK co-production In My Father&#039;s Den is an adult drama-mystery in the vein of Lantana&quot;.  It might be in the vein of Lantana, but they&#039;re chalk and New Zealand cheddar in achievement.  Lantana was a quite good mood flick.  I thought &#039;In my father&#039;s den&#039; was awesome in its reflective but relentless depiction of some of the deepest feelings us poor little critters have.  (I have to admit for about 5 minutes I thought it lapsed into melodrama but then that was easy to ignore).  Go see it before it leaves our screens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last three NZ films that I&#8217;ve seen have left most Australian ones for dead.  &#8216;In my father&#8217;s den&#8217;, &#8216;Whale rider&#8217; and &#8216;Once were warriers&#8217;.  (I&#8217;m ignoring Lord of the Rings as it was more of a Hollywood film even if it was filmed in NZ and directed by a NZer.)  That spans a fair bit of time but I can&#8217;t remember an Australian film that came close to any of them.  Anyone who hasn&#8217;t seen &#8216;In my father&#8217;s den&#8217; &#8211; do.  Best film I&#8217;ve seen in years.  Of note given the discussion above, is that at least two of them (I don&#8217;t know about &#8216;Whale rider&#8217;) were adapted from well known novels. </p>
<p>In checking that &#8216;In my fathers den&#8217; was adapted from a novel and not a short story I came apon this from a website review.  &#8220;The New Zealand-UK co-production In My Father&#8217;s Den is an adult drama-mystery in the vein of Lantana&#8221;.  It might be in the vein of Lantana, but they&#8217;re chalk and New Zealand cheddar in achievement.  Lantana was a quite good mood flick.  I thought &#8216;In my father&#8217;s den&#8217; was awesome in its reflective but relentless depiction of some of the deepest feelings us poor little critters have.  (I have to admit for about 5 minutes I thought it lapsed into melodrama but then that was easy to ignore).  Go see it before it leaves our screens.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David&#039;s call for more purloining of Other People&#039;s Money would convince more if he hadn&#039;t missed the money part of sophie&#039;s post - that the acting and cinematography of many Oz films are world class, but the scripts and editing are usually shithouse.  I&#039;d have thought scripts and editing were the cheap parts of the business.

I&#039;m not really sure why we can&#039;t find competent scripts, though maybe its because there are too many wankers writing who underrate the need for technical competence rather than &#039;artistic vision&#039;.  I&#039;m sick of scripts that combine creaky plotting, a complete tin ear for how people speak and ham-fisted propaganda that destroys complexity (Re that last point, does anyone else think the portrayal of Neville as a cardboard villain in &quot;Rabbit Proof Fence&quot; spoiled the film?  Giving him more imagination and ambivalence would have opened up potential for a tragedy in the Greek sense.).

But there are plenty of wankers trying their hand at novels too, and sophie is right to note that a fair number of good Oz books still get found and published.  So I dunno - maybe whoever&#039;s making the money decisions in Oz movies can&#039;t tell shit from diamonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8217;s call for more purloining of Other People&#8217;s Money would convince more if he hadn&#8217;t missed the money part of sophie&#8217;s post &#8211; that the acting and cinematography of many Oz films are world class, but the scripts and editing are usually shithouse.  I&#8217;d have thought scripts and editing were the cheap parts of the business.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure why we can&#8217;t find competent scripts, though maybe its because there are too many wankers writing who underrate the need for technical competence rather than &#8216;artistic vision&#8217;.  I&#8217;m sick of scripts that combine creaky plotting, a complete tin ear for how people speak and ham-fisted propaganda that destroys complexity (Re that last point, does anyone else think the portrayal of Neville as a cardboard villain in &#8220;Rabbit Proof Fence&#8221; spoiled the film?  Giving him more imagination and ambivalence would have opened up potential for a tragedy in the Greek sense.).</p>
<p>But there are plenty of wankers trying their hand at novels too, and sophie is right to note that a fair number of good Oz books still get found and published.  So I dunno &#8211; maybe whoever&#8217;s making the money decisions in Oz movies can&#8217;t tell shit from diamonds.</p>
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