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	<title>Comments on: Green all the way through</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

There was a period during which some traditional conservatives took on &#039;economic rationalism&#039;.  John Carroll and Robert Manne were involved in the publication of &#039;Shutdown&#039;.  Manne has now pretty much disowned that lamentable project of his, though his own contributions were pretty OK, as they did not - like Carroll&#039;s propose particular policies like higher tariffs.  (I&#039;m speaking from memory here and may have to be corrected).  

Manne&#039;s gripe was the arrogance of economists in the way they pursued the debate - a charge that I think he demonstrated well in the pieces of his that I read at the time. 

I still think environmentalism figures in the political psyche as a kind of &#039;negative&#039;.  It&#039;s a shadow of progress and that&#039;s its psychological and ideological role.  Thus we see &#039;the economy and the environment&#039; as opposites.  There&#039;s something quite powerful going on psychologically, but I don&#039;t think it stands up too well to scrutiny.  it&#039;s pretty unhelpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>There was a period during which some traditional conservatives took on &#8216;economic rationalism&#8217;.  John Carroll and Robert Manne were involved in the publication of &#8216;Shutdown&#8217;.  Manne has now pretty much disowned that lamentable project of his, though his own contributions were pretty OK, as they did not &#8211; like Carroll&#8217;s propose particular policies like higher tariffs.  (I&#8217;m speaking from memory here and may have to be corrected).  </p>
<p>Manne&#8217;s gripe was the arrogance of economists in the way they pursued the debate &#8211; a charge that I think he demonstrated well in the pieces of his that I read at the time. </p>
<p>I still think environmentalism figures in the political psyche as a kind of &#8216;negative&#8217;.  It&#8217;s a shadow of progress and that&#8217;s its psychological and ideological role.  Thus we see &#8216;the economy and the environment&#8217; as opposites.  There&#8217;s something quite powerful going on psychologically, but I don&#8217;t think it stands up too well to scrutiny.  it&#8217;s pretty unhelpful.</p>
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		<title>By: catallaxy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green all the way through?</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/01/21/green-all-the-way-through/#comment-28591</link>
		<dc:creator>catallaxy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Green all the way through?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hayward argues that &quot;conservatives have overreacted to &#8230; radical-sounding tendencies in conventional environmentalism&quot; and that they need to take environmental problems seriously. &quot;Policy progress works best in the country when the two parties, and left and right, compete over an issue&quot; he says. So maybe David Cameron is on the right track after all.   More from me at Club Troppo, along with links to Andrew Norton, John Quiggin and The View from Benambra. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hayward argues that &quot;conservatives have overreacted to &#8230; radical-sounding tendencies in conventional environmentalism&quot; and that they need to take environmental problems seriously. &quot;Policy progress works best in the country when the two parties, and left and right, compete over an issue&quot; he says. So maybe David Cameron is on the right track after all.   More from me at Club Troppo, along with links to Andrew Norton, John Quiggin and The View from Benambra. [...]</p>
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