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	<title>Comments on: What hypocrisy!</title>
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		<title>By: Gaby</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/25/what-hypocrisy/#comment-44150</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel competent to judge Blair&#039;s &quot;political talent&quot; but the self-delusional hypocrisy and the hubris of grand &quot;international statesmanship&quot; in concert with W count somewhat against it. For me he is far from a &quot;tragic&quot; figure. Just another acor preening and strutting his hour...

The statesmanship is pretty much in tatters after W&#039;s recent &quot;Condie&#039;s going&quot; rejection of Tone&#039;s offer to shuttle to and &quot;talk&quot; in the Middle East.

On a possible Blair volta face, I don&#039;t know. Apparently, he has already lodged an appeal to, as Dave Allen would have it, his God. Case pending.

On Clinton, I find Christopher HItchens&#039;s portrait pretty devastating.  I reckon Clinton would have exhibited all of Runciman&#039;s flavours of hypocrisy. And huge self-referential self-delusion. How else could you time bombing attacks with requirements to give testimony, sworn or not?

I heard Slick Bill talk at the World IT Congress here in Adelaide a few years ago. Certainly a brilliant talker, with an intimate and quasi-confessional but ultimately soporiphic style, who seemed to embrace the whole audience and you felt he was just talking to you. He talked and talked and
 said pleny o&#039; nuthin&#039; and zzzzzzzzz......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel competent to judge Blair&#8217;s &#8220;political talent&#8221; but the self-delusional hypocrisy and the hubris of grand &#8220;international statesmanship&#8221; in concert with W count somewhat against it. For me he is far from a &#8220;tragic&#8221; figure. Just another acor preening and strutting his hour&#8230;</p>
<p>The statesmanship is pretty much in tatters after W&#8217;s recent &#8220;Condie&#8217;s going&#8221; rejection of Tone&#8217;s offer to shuttle to and &#8220;talk&#8221; in the Middle East.</p>
<p>On a possible Blair volta face, I don&#8217;t know. Apparently, he has already lodged an appeal to, as Dave Allen would have it, his God. Case pending.</p>
<p>On Clinton, I find Christopher HItchens&#8217;s portrait pretty devastating.  I reckon Clinton would have exhibited all of Runciman&#8217;s flavours of hypocrisy. And huge self-referential self-delusion. How else could you time bombing attacks with requirements to give testimony, sworn or not?</p>
<p>I heard Slick Bill talk at the World IT Congress here in Adelaide a few years ago. Certainly a brilliant talker, with an intimate and quasi-confessional but ultimately soporiphic style, who seemed to embrace the whole audience and you felt he was just talking to you. He talked and talked and<br />
 said pleny o&#8217; nuthin&#8217; and zzzzzzzzz&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/25/what-hypocrisy/#comment-44109</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Blair is tragic because he has genuinely good intentions and as much political talent as anyone I&#039;ve seen in politics (with the exception of Clinton) and has managed to get himself hopelessly lost indeed engulfed in the politics of trying to leverage some grand plan for international statesmanship off the US Administration which has proven itself to be mad, bad and dangerous to know.

I think when he&#039;s older and if he&#039;s come to any greater (real) honesty than he seems to have now, Blair may sigh like LBJ &quot;I blew it. The kids were right&quot;. Another parallel with Vietnam. 

I&#039;m not sure Bill Clinton is a particularly eggregious example of the bad kind of hyporcrisy. His worst lying was not to himself, but to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Blair is tragic because he has genuinely good intentions and as much political talent as anyone I&#8217;ve seen in politics (with the exception of Clinton) and has managed to get himself hopelessly lost indeed engulfed in the politics of trying to leverage some grand plan for international statesmanship off the US Administration which has proven itself to be mad, bad and dangerous to know.</p>
<p>I think when he&#8217;s older and if he&#8217;s come to any greater (real) honesty than he seems to have now, Blair may sigh like LBJ &#8220;I blew it. The kids were right&#8221;. Another parallel with Vietnam. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure Bill Clinton is a particularly eggregious example of the bad kind of hyporcrisy. His worst lying was not to himself, but to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaby</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/25/what-hypocrisy/#comment-44107</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, Nicholas. It certainly was a good listen. And I was doubly pleased as the first half was on interview with Paul Ginsborg on the current state of &quot;il bel paese&quot;, Italy. He has written two excellent histories of contemporary Italy, from 1945 to the present. And a very good book on Berlusconi. Highly recommended.

I agree that Runciman&#039;s interview was also very stimulating. His book seems to be well worth reading.

I liked his tie ins to Hobbes and Orwell and their explication.

His distinction of the corrosive form of hypocrisy from a more bengin, prosaic flavour is significant. It highlights the importance of being &quot;sincerely&quot; sincere, and not being wilfully blind in order to be able to maintain a claim to sincerity of motive.

Although Hilary was touched on in the interview, Bill Clinton is probably the most egregious total amalgam of the two flavours of hypocrisy.

What do you say Blair is tragic? I think he deserves his masochistic sessions. He can practice his party piece lip quivering, gulping, gesticulating, stuttering sophistry.

By the way, what is the definition of a sadist?

A person who is kind to a masochist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, Nicholas. It certainly was a good listen. And I was doubly pleased as the first half was on interview with Paul Ginsborg on the current state of &#8220;il bel paese&#8221;, Italy. He has written two excellent histories of contemporary Italy, from 1945 to the present. And a very good book on Berlusconi. Highly recommended.</p>
<p>I agree that Runciman&#8217;s interview was also very stimulating. His book seems to be well worth reading.</p>
<p>I liked his tie ins to Hobbes and Orwell and their explication.</p>
<p>His distinction of the corrosive form of hypocrisy from a more bengin, prosaic flavour is significant. It highlights the importance of being &#8220;sincerely&#8221; sincere, and not being wilfully blind in order to be able to maintain a claim to sincerity of motive.</p>
<p>Although Hilary was touched on in the interview, Bill Clinton is probably the most egregious total amalgam of the two flavours of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>What do you say Blair is tragic? I think he deserves his masochistic sessions. He can practice his party piece lip quivering, gulping, gesticulating, stuttering sophistry.</p>
<p>By the way, what is the definition of a sadist?</p>
<p>A person who is kind to a masochist.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/25/what-hypocrisy/#comment-43520</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn&#039;t make myself clear to you.  Listen to the program or read a review of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t make myself clear to you.  Listen to the program or read a review of the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/08/25/what-hypocrisy/#comment-43519</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m baffled. What on earth are you trying to say there, Nicholas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m baffled. What on earth are you trying to say there, Nicholas?</p>
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