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	<title>Comments on: Regulating financial advisors &#8211; the game continues</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/09/15/regulating-financial-advisors-the-game-continues/#comment-48421</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s right either Homer. All the money going into marketing the funds - through advisors and elsewhere does at least draw some people who might otherwise just put the money in the bank to invest in more senisble long term investments like unit trusts. 

But you&#039;re right about recruitment in the industry.  Sales is what the recruiters go for and a lot of the training courses are training in sales. In mortgage broking Aussie Mortgage Market advertises its loan selection software to customers as a guarantee of integrity and objectivity (though ASIC has forced them to qualify some of those claims). At the very same time it was promoting the very same software to the brokers it was trying to recruit (it&#039;s advertisements in the trade press said they wanted people with &#039;sales experience&#039;!) as cutting edge &quot;sales technology&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s right either Homer. All the money going into marketing the funds &#8211; through advisors and elsewhere does at least draw some people who might otherwise just put the money in the bank to invest in more senisble long term investments like unit trusts. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right about recruitment in the industry.  Sales is what the recruiters go for and a lot of the training courses are training in sales. In mortgage broking Aussie Mortgage Market advertises its loan selection software to customers as a guarantee of integrity and objectivity (though ASIC has forced them to qualify some of those claims). At the very same time it was promoting the very same software to the brokers it was trying to recruit (it&#8217;s advertisements in the trade press said they wanted people with &#8216;sales experience&#8217;!) as cutting edge &#8220;sales technology&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/09/15/regulating-financial-advisors-the-game-continues/#comment-48419</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the sole consideration of whether one can become a financial advisor/planner at any firm is NOT expertise but SALES experience.

All commissions should be banned and payment should only be fee for service.

They are merely distribution channels for fund managers at present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the sole consideration of whether one can become a financial advisor/planner at any firm is NOT expertise but SALES experience.</p>
<p>All commissions should be banned and payment should only be fee for service.</p>
<p>They are merely distribution channels for fund managers at present.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps - I&#039;m not so sure.  What galls me is the extent of the regulation and the fact that there is no interest in regulating to get information out about the quality of advice - other than subjecting people to a few courses (in the equivalent exercises in the mortgage industry they tell you the answers to the questions - no joke). 

So if someone said that you couldn&#039;t be a share broker unless you kept a sample real time portfolio the performance of which was public, I&#039;d think that was good regulation. 

But yes, the regulation we have now may help a bit.  And the barriers to entry it puts up does give the industry and indeed most individual firms within it a vested interest in containing the more outrageous abuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps &#8211; I&#8217;m not so sure.  What galls me is the extent of the regulation and the fact that there is no interest in regulating to get information out about the quality of advice &#8211; other than subjecting people to a few courses (in the equivalent exercises in the mortgage industry they tell you the answers to the questions &#8211; no joke). </p>
<p>So if someone said that you couldn&#8217;t be a share broker unless you kept a sample real time portfolio the performance of which was public, I&#8217;d think that was good regulation. </p>
<p>But yes, the regulation we have now may help a bit.  And the barriers to entry it puts up does give the industry and indeed most individual firms within it a vested interest in containing the more outrageous abuses.</p>
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		<title>By: sean fitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 07:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas,

I agree with the thrust of your comments.

However, I worked in the &quot;financial services industry&quot; in the unregulated early &#039;90&#039;s. This was a heady time when ex-con concreters could, (and did), pass themselves off as &quot;financial advisors&quot; while flogging high commission savings plans and whole of life insurance products.

These advisors knew about as much about finance and investment as your average gold fish!

Now, at least, a certified financial planner must have acquired a level of knowledge about those matters on which they advise. 

Surely this is a preferable situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas,</p>
<p>I agree with the thrust of your comments.</p>
<p>However, I worked in the &#8220;financial services industry&#8221; in the unregulated early &#8217;90&#8242;s. This was a heady time when ex-con concreters could, (and did), pass themselves off as &#8220;financial advisors&#8221; while flogging high commission savings plans and whole of life insurance products.</p>
<p>These advisors knew about as much about finance and investment as your average gold fish!</p>
<p>Now, at least, a certified financial planner must have acquired a level of knowledge about those matters on which they advise. </p>
<p>Surely this is a preferable situation?</p>
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		<title>By: taust</title>
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		<dc:creator>taust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will we arrive at the obvious answers. 
Whilst we can appear to control human behaviour by regulation we cannot change it. That requires some other technique.
There are always unintended consequences of regulation.
Regulation never increases in its efficiency more usually decreases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will we arrive at the obvious answers.<br />
Whilst we can appear to control human behaviour by regulation we cannot change it. That requires some other technique.<br />
There are always unintended consequences of regulation.<br />
Regulation never increases in its efficiency more usually decreases.</p>
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