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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-60017</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff

There&#039;s a pretty strong consensus that socialism with a human face could not have lasted long anywhere within the constraint of a one-party state. Had the Hungarian Revolution or the Prague Spring not been suppressed by the Soviets, the idealists would probably have soon been pushed aside by ruthless pragmatists in the Tito mould. Alternatively an unravellinging of political control might have opened the way for a military strongman like Franco or Pinochet. A distant third possibility would have been a voluntary transition to multi-party democracy, with the reform communists restyling themselves as social democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a pretty strong consensus that socialism with a human face could not have lasted long anywhere within the constraint of a one-party state. Had the Hungarian Revolution or the Prague Spring not been suppressed by the Soviets, the idealists would probably have soon been pushed aside by ruthless pragmatists in the Tito mould. Alternatively an unravellinging of political control might have opened the way for a military strongman like Franco or Pinochet. A distant third possibility would have been a voluntary transition to multi-party democracy, with the reform communists restyling themselves as social democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59952</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm Fraser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm Fraser?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff R</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59819</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nagy was a Communist from 1917 does he show that despite everything Communism possesed a dynamic that could redeem some part of itself? Who were the Nagys or Dubcheks of fascism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nagy was a Communist from 1917 does he show that despite everything Communism possesed a dynamic that could redeem some part of itself? Who were the Nagys or Dubcheks of fascism?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Bell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59650</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a teenager in Australia when all this happened.

It was my introduction to how readily and how completely the loud-mouthed. gutless, so-called &quot;Anti-Communist&quot; politicians, churchmen, academics, journalists, businessmen and other assorted bludgers in The West would abandon those who risked their lives fighting bare-handed against the tanks of one of the mightiest military organization the world had ever seen.  

And, as recent events have shown, not much has changed in the past fifty years.

A salute to those brave Hungarians!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a teenager in Australia when all this happened.</p>
<p>It was my introduction to how readily and how completely the loud-mouthed. gutless, so-called &#8220;Anti-Communist&#8221; politicians, churchmen, academics, journalists, businessmen and other assorted bludgers in The West would abandon those who risked their lives fighting bare-handed against the tanks of one of the mightiest military organization the world had ever seen.  </p>
<p>And, as recent events have shown, not much has changed in the past fifty years.</p>
<p>A salute to those brave Hungarians!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59435</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 10:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happily we did catch Don Giovanni in Zagreb. Didn&#039;t know what to expect from the Croatian Opera, but it really was wonderful, with almost none of the Slavonic wobble known to us from Melodiya recordings. The set looked like an art deco railway station waiting room, and the characters came and went through the windows. Very effective. The opera house was great too - scaled down from Budapest, as you&#039;d expect, but the same neo-Baroque style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happily we did catch Don Giovanni in Zagreb. Didn&#8217;t know what to expect from the Croatian Opera, but it really was wonderful, with almost none of the Slavonic wobble known to us from Melodiya recordings. The set looked like an art deco railway station waiting room, and the characters came and went through the windows. Very effective. The opera house was great too &#8211; scaled down from Budapest, as you&#8217;d expect, but the same neo-Baroque style.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59428</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 09:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A shame you missed Don Giovanni: it&#039;s a fabulous production, with a refreshingly youthful cast. On the other hand, if you&#039;ve seen operas all around the world, what better choice then Bank Ban when you&#039;re in Budapest? I&#039;ve been slack about investigating the Erkel oeuvre myself, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s worth it. Agree about the opera house - beautiful, but intimate at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A shame you missed Don Giovanni: it&#8217;s a fabulous production, with a refreshingly youthful cast. On the other hand, if you&#8217;ve seen operas all around the world, what better choice then Bank Ban when you&#8217;re in Budapest? I&#8217;ve been slack about investigating the Erkel oeuvre myself, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s worth it. Agree about the opera house &#8211; beautiful, but intimate at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 05:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, yes, we caught Erkel&#039;s Bank Ban at the State Opera, having failed to get seats to Don Giovanni the night before. A new opera to us, but we really enjoyed it. An utter jewel of an opera house, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, yes, we caught Erkel&#8217;s Bank Ban at the State Opera, having failed to get seats to Don Giovanni the night before. A new opera to us, but we really enjoyed it. An utter jewel of an opera house, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 02:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw James, I was going to say this last night - but thought it added nothing. Anyway, that is a marvellous speech by Nagy. A brave, self sacrificing leader with the oratorical skills to represent his own greatness of spirit. Churchill and Lincoln were two such (which is not to say they were without their faults - particularly Churchill!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw James, I was going to say this last night &#8211; but thought it added nothing. Anyway, that is a marvellous speech by Nagy. A brave, self sacrificing leader with the oratorical skills to represent his own greatness of spirit. Churchill and Lincoln were two such (which is not to say they were without their faults &#8211; particularly Churchill!)</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59361</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 01:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob

I&#039;m glad to hear that some solemn commemoration of this tragedy was possible, given that the official celebrations were disrupted by the equally selfish antics of the cynical government and the ghastly opposition party. I guess you weren&#039;t there on the 23rd, or you would have commented on the violence. In any case, if you&#039;re interested there&#039;s a good account of the day&#039;s events in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pestiside.hu/archives/seeing_through_the_smoke_of_budapests_black_monday002831.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this photo essay&lt;/a&gt;.

Did you make it to the opera and/or to a concert at the Palace of the Arts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that some solemn commemoration of this tragedy was possible, given that the official celebrations were disrupted by the equally selfish antics of the cynical government and the ghastly opposition party. I guess you weren&#8217;t there on the 23rd, or you would have commented on the violence. In any case, if you&#8217;re interested there&#8217;s a good account of the day&#8217;s events in <a href="http://www.pestiside.hu/archives/seeing_through_the_smoke_of_budapests_black_monday002831.php">this photo essay</a>.</p>
<p>Did you make it to the opera and/or to a concert at the Palace of the Arts?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59342</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 22:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I was in Budapest a couple of weeks ago and attended one of the vigils for the victims of the uprising. Very moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I was in Budapest a couple of weeks ago and attended one of the vigils for the victims of the uprising. Very moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe Champion</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/11/04/520am-budapest/#comment-59326</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to note the coincidental launch of Quadrant in the same year as the Hungarian debacle!  Nice timing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to note the coincidental launch of Quadrant in the same year as the Hungarian debacle!  Nice timing?</p>
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