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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Bolt: the measure of a man</title>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-70886</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We need some ingenious programmer to invent the cyberspace equivalent of the rabbitproof fence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As the old saying goes amongst us &quot;old hands&quot;, there is no technical solution for social problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We need some ingenious programmer to invent the cyberspace equivalent of the rabbitproof fence.</p></blockquote>
<p>As the old saying goes amongst us &#8220;old hands&#8221;, there is no technical solution for social problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-70074</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 11:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, DD, I only responded to the first question - I forgot the second!

In response to the second, I don&#039;t think there is anything very creditable about Bolt&#039;s behaviour as such. For what it is worth I don&#039;t really believe he is wilfully dishonest, persistently ignorant, or any permutation thereof either. I don&#039;t even admire him in any sense of the word, I don&#039;t really like his writing style and I frequently disagree with his conclusions. But for all that, I would rather read him than almost any Age columnist.

It is just a matter of taste, or so I think - perhaps if I was more morally sensitive I would think differently, but as far as I am concerned you can stand reading the SMH which I can&#039;t and vice versa with respect of Bolt. But my point about the post in my response to your first question was not really justification of Bolt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, DD, I only responded to the first question &#8211; I forgot the second!</p>
<p>In response to the second, I don&#8217;t think there is anything very creditable about Bolt&#8217;s behaviour as such. For what it is worth I don&#8217;t really believe he is wilfully dishonest, persistently ignorant, or any permutation thereof either. I don&#8217;t even admire him in any sense of the word, I don&#8217;t really like his writing style and I frequently disagree with his conclusions. But for all that, I would rather read him than almost any Age columnist.</p>
<p>It is just a matter of taste, or so I think &#8211; perhaps if I was more morally sensitive I would think differently, but as far as I am concerned you can stand reading the SMH which I can&#8217;t and vice versa with respect of Bolt. But my point about the post in my response to your first question was not really justification of Bolt.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-70039</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I see Patrick.  Bolt is to be excused his display of wilful ignorance and persistent dishonesty because you believe columnists you disagree with are also ignorant and dishonest.

You clearly have a fine capacity for moral reasoning - not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I see Patrick.  Bolt is to be excused his display of wilful ignorance and persistent dishonesty because you believe columnists you disagree with are also ignorant and dishonest.</p>
<p>You clearly have a fine capacity for moral reasoning &#8211; not.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-70019</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Bolt is a panty waist cry baby who cannot get over the fact that he is just dumb. He takes out his grievances about being laughed at school for being a stupid bully boy, on anybody he thinks he might be secretly laughing at him. That means he hates anybody he thinks is smarter than him, which includes the majority of the rest of the world, and just about all lefties. Boo Hoo bully boy bolt and the silly billies that think he has anything to say at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Bolt is a panty waist cry baby who cannot get over the fact that he is just dumb. He takes out his grievances about being laughed at school for being a stupid bully boy, on anybody he thinks he might be secretly laughing at him. That means he hates anybody he thinks is smarter than him, which includes the majority of the rest of the world, and just about all lefties. Boo Hoo bully boy bolt and the silly billies that think he has anything to say at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-70010</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 06:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Patrick, just what is discreditable about this post? And what on earth is creditable about Bolt&#039;s behaviour?&lt;/em&gt;

Partly the fact that I think you could say the same about any number of columnists from the opposite perspective, but mainly that I think the reaction is about as disproportionate as the action[sic].

&lt;em&gt;I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist. &lt;/em&gt;

They probably figure that the Age demonstrates that this wouldn&#039;t improve their circulation figures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Patrick, just what is discreditable about this post? And what on earth is creditable about Bolt&#8217;s behaviour?</em></p>
<p>Partly the fact that I think you could say the same about any number of columnists from the opposite perspective, but mainly that I think the reaction is about as disproportionate as the action[sic].</p>
<p><em>I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist. </em></p>
<p>They probably figure that the Age demonstrates that this wouldn&#8217;t improve their circulation figures.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69985</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 03:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve mentally resolved not to link LeftWrites posts on Missing Link again unless they&#039;re especially compelling, because it just seems to attract vexatious commenters who are effectively the hard left equivalents of Graeme Bird (though not as abusive).  We need some ingenious programmer to invent the cyberspace equivalent of the rabbitproof fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve mentally resolved not to link LeftWrites posts on Missing Link again unless they&#8217;re especially compelling, because it just seems to attract vexatious commenters who are effectively the hard left equivalents of Graeme Bird (though not as abusive).  We need some ingenious programmer to invent the cyberspace equivalent of the rabbitproof fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69956</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could the next blogger to MSM transition be from Leftwrites?

They certainly accord the Murdoch press more influence on election results than political scientists are prepared to!

http://www.leftwrites.net/2006/12/04/murdoch-tears-down-labor-leader/#comment-19722

On then other hand, the post anti-capitalism rally session down at the pub &quot;I&#039;ll shout the bar with the dosh I&#039;ve taken from the bosses&#039; rag&quot; might not go all that well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist.</p></blockquote>
<p>Could the next blogger to MSM transition be from Leftwrites?</p>
<p>They certainly accord the Murdoch press more influence on election results than political scientists are prepared to!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.leftwrites.net/2006/12/04/murdoch-tears-down-labor-leader/#comment-19722">http://www.leftwrites.net/2006/12/04/murdoch-tears-down-labor-leader/#comment-19722</a></p>
<p>On then other hand, the post anti-capitalism rally session down at the pub &#8220;I&#8217;ll shout the bar with the dosh I&#8217;ve taken from the bosses&#8217; rag&#8221; might not go all that well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69954</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is [Bolt&#039;s] the anger of a sharp mind frequently impatient with the foolishness of those around him - Melbourne&#039;s own Tom Wolfe?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More of an anti-Wolfe I&#039;d say - the anger of a dull mind frequently impatient with the perspicacity of those around him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is [Bolt's] the anger of a sharp mind frequently impatient with the foolishness of those around him &#8211; Melbourne&#8217;s own Tom Wolfe?</p></blockquote>
<p>More of an anti-Wolfe I&#8217;d say &#8211; the anger of a dull mind frequently impatient with the perspicacity of those around him.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
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		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, just what is discreditable about this post?  And what on earth is creditable about Bolt&#039;s behaviour?

gilmae, of course, is spot on.  You don&#039;t sell tabloids by putting forth well-reasoned, moderate and thoughtful views. You have to go to extremes, which generally means determinedly disregarding any inconvenient facts.  I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, just what is discreditable about this post?  And what on earth is creditable about Bolt&#8217;s behaviour?</p>
<p>gilmae, of course, is spot on.  You don&#8217;t sell tabloids by putting forth well-reasoned, moderate and thoughtful views. You have to go to extremes, which generally means determinedly disregarding any inconvenient facts.  I just wish, for amusement, that the Tele would hire a thoroughgoing Trot columnist.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 00:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like both Andrews. I have a lot of respect for Andrew Leigh, and I suspect that he is much less disturbed by the comments from Andrew Bolt than most of you! 

As with his reaction to Andrew Bolt, it is to his credit. Not, unfortunately, yours :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like both Andrews. I have a lot of respect for Andrew Leigh, and I suspect that he is much less disturbed by the comments from Andrew Bolt than most of you! </p>
<p>As with his reaction to Andrew Bolt, it is to his credit. Not, unfortunately, yours :)</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69893</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine: Because he and Andrew Bolt - and Margo Kingston in her day - are &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;trolls&lt;/a&gt; and successful ones. They write columns that 99% of the time you know you will agree or disagree with before you even get to the op-ed pages yet you won&#039;t be able to stop yourself reading them. Look at Boltwatch - I wonder how many Bolt columns he read, knowing full well he would hate the contents, before he finally got agitated enough to start a webpage dedicated to giving Bolt the attention he craves. The Herald Sun and the Telegraph don&#039;t care if you loathe them or love them, because by the time you have read the column either to agree or disagree with it, you&#039;ve already given News Ltd your money, or eyeballs in the case of the online editions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine: Because he and Andrew Bolt &#8211; and Margo Kingston in her day &#8211; are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29">trolls</a> and successful ones. They write columns that 99% of the time you know you will agree or disagree with before you even get to the op-ed pages yet you won&#8217;t be able to stop yourself reading them. Look at Boltwatch &#8211; I wonder how many Bolt columns he read, knowing full well he would hate the contents, before he finally got agitated enough to start a webpage dedicated to giving Bolt the attention he craves. The Herald Sun and the Telegraph don&#8217;t care if you loathe them or love them, because by the time you have read the column either to agree or disagree with it, you&#8217;ve already given News Ltd your money, or eyeballs in the case of the online editions.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Keeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine Keeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And how many times have we heard the claim in MSM vs. bloggers debates that journalists are rigorous fact checkers whereas bloggers just write biassed tosh and twist the facts? It seems that in the case of Bolt vs. Leigh, the boot is very much on the other foot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed Kim. In fact we need look no further than Piers Ackwit, &quot;one of the nation&#039;s most respected journalists,&quot; apparently. 

2006 has to go down as one of his bumper years. Not content with stuffing up a fairly straightforward yarn about Playschool, he later lands his employer with a $200,000 bill (plus costs) for wrting a story about a member of the NRMA board based on nothing other than his own fervid imagination.

And he&#039;s still got a job. Publishing a whole two columns a week. How does this work exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And how many times have we heard the claim in MSM vs. bloggers debates that journalists are rigorous fact checkers whereas bloggers just write biassed tosh and twist the facts? It seems that in the case of Bolt vs. Leigh, the boot is very much on the other foot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed Kim. In fact we need look no further than Piers Ackwit, &#8220;one of the nation&#8217;s most respected journalists,&#8221; apparently. </p>
<p>2006 has to go down as one of his bumper years. Not content with stuffing up a fairly straightforward yarn about Playschool, he later lands his employer with a $200,000 bill (plus costs) for wrting a story about a member of the NRMA board based on nothing other than his own fervid imagination.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;s still got a job. Publishing a whole two columns a week. How does this work exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69828</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words: Pandagate. Freakanomics.

One could be a best seller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words: Pandagate. Freakanomics.</p>
<p>One could be a best seller.</p>
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		<title>By: D W Griffiths</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69823</link>
		<dc:creator>D W Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: I forgot to point out that Tropppo&#039;s Don Arthur has already blogged on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/10/tv-proves-academics-wrong-says-devine/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another weird set of comments about the very same study&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: I forgot to point out that Tropppo&#8217;s Don Arthur has already blogged on <a href="http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/10/tv-proves-academics-wrong-says-devine/#comments">another weird set of comments about the very same study</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69817</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, nice post DW.  I&#039;d happened upon Bolt&#039;s piece - via Andrew&#039;s blog and offered my condolences. It&#039;s bloody aweful what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, nice post DW.  I&#8217;d happened upon Bolt&#8217;s piece &#8211; via Andrew&#8217;s blog and offered my condolences. It&#8217;s bloody aweful what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/12/andrew-bolt-the-measure-of-a-man/#comment-69811</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it was a characteristically gracious response by Andrew.

If there was any justice in the world, this sort of pontificating would really put an end to any credibility Bolt has in his frequent criticisms of ARC research grants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it was a characteristically gracious response by Andrew.</p>
<p>If there was any justice in the world, this sort of pontificating would really put an end to any credibility Bolt has in his frequent criticisms of ARC research grants.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trackback:

http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/12/the-iraqi-peoples-struggle-for-freedom/

And how many times have we heard the claim in MSM vs. bloggers debates that journalists are rigorous fact checkers whereas bloggers just write biassed tosh and twist the facts? It seems that in the case of Bolt vs. Leigh, the boot is very much on the other foot. 

Does News exercise any sort of quality control over Bolt&#039;s ravings? Does Bolt consider himself to be a professional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trackback:</p>
<p><a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/12/the-iraqi-peoples-struggle-for-freedom/">http://larvatusprodeo.net/2006/12/12/the-iraqi-peoples-struggle-for-freedom/</a></p>
<p>And how many times have we heard the claim in MSM vs. bloggers debates that journalists are rigorous fact checkers whereas bloggers just write biassed tosh and twist the facts? It seems that in the case of Bolt vs. Leigh, the boot is very much on the other foot. </p>
<p>Does News exercise any sort of quality control over Bolt&#8217;s ravings? Does Bolt consider himself to be a professional?</p>
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