Comments on: Beyond policy in politics - the forth ’suasional’ arm of government http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:52:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Club Troppo » We need to talk about Kevin . . . http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-173869 Club Troppo » We need to talk about Kevin . . . Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:20:03 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-173869 [...] op ed of mine the Age published today ostensibly on Kevin, which was foreshadowed to Troppodillians here. In it I try to argue that all this stuff about the importance of projecting values in politics can [...] [...] op ed of mine the Age published today ostensibly on Kevin, which was foreshadowed to Troppodillians here. In it I try to argue that all this stuff about the importance of projecting values in politics can [...]

]]> By: Jacques Chester http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70891 Jacques Chester Fri, 15 Dec 2006 14:06:11 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70891 <blockquote>Andrew, I'd argue that the rate at which black letter law grows (in total pages) is a symptom of its limitations.</blockquote> Argue away, please.

Andrew, I’d argue that the rate at which black letter law grows (in total pages) is a symptom of its limitations.

Argue away, please.

]]> By: Nicholas Gruen http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70723 Nicholas Gruen Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:28:09 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70723 Andrew, I'd argue that the rate at which black letter law grows (in total pages) is a symptom of its limitations. Andrew, I’d argue that the rate at which black letter law grows (in total pages) is a symptom of its limitations.

]]> By: Andrew Norton http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70524 Andrew Norton Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:44:35 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70524 Nick - I'm not sure how you measure persuasional power, but it would have to have grown mighty fast to maintain a 'relative' position with black letter law, which continues to be produced at an amazing rate. Nick - I’m not sure how you measure persuasional power, but it would have to have grown mighty fast to maintain a ‘relative’ position with black letter law, which continues to be produced at an amazing rate.

]]> By: JC http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70414 JC Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:36:58 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70414 Nick The only worthwhile mission statement for any party to promote is to promise to get out the way when in government seeing that in most cases they casue more problems then they cure. Case in point.... media laws. I suggest anyone go take a read of the media laws and make a quick summary by listing them on a bit of paper. You will then clearly see that most of the regulations are either useless, anti- competitive or downright contradictory. Some are even there for rent seeking big league "welfare queens" like Kerry Packer. One minister once said that we needed to protect the investment made made these compnies. For Christ sake, why not simply protect the Fish&chip shop's investment as well as PBL's. We don't need a "political entrepreneur" seeing that sort of thing only leads to grief as rent seekers move and make all sorts of representations that will invariably turn into rorts. Demands are unlimited. I am very doubtful about Rudd's representation about those abbatoirs and his effectiveness. Maybe it was the worst possible decision in the long or maybe there was uncalled for tactics that forced the company to remain in the town. Or maybe, his succuss can simply be put away as a statistical win.... a long shot. Nick

The only worthwhile mission statement for any party to promote is to promise to get out the way when in government seeing that in most cases they casue more problems then they cure.

Case in point…. media laws.

I suggest anyone go take a read of the media laws and make a quick summary by listing them on a bit of paper. You will then clearly see that most of the regulations are either useless, anti- competitive or downright contradictory. Some are even there for rent seeking big league “welfare queens” like Kerry Packer. One minister once said that we needed to protect the investment made made these compnies. For Christ sake, why not simply protect the Fish&chip shop’s investment as well as PBL’s.

We don’t need a “political entrepreneur” seeing that sort of thing only leads to grief as rent seekers move and make all sorts of representations that will invariably turn into rorts. Demands are unlimited.

I am very doubtful about Rudd’s representation about those abbatoirs and his effectiveness. Maybe it was the worst possible decision in the long or maybe there was uncalled for tactics that forced the company to remain in the town.
Or maybe, his succuss can simply be put away as a statistical win…. a long shot.

]]> By: David Rubie http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70397 David Rubie Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:51:02 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70397 I'm not sure about the employee survey stuff. Most of them seem designed to find out where the employers next legal suit might be coming from, not as an independently comparable measure against other companies. Latham seemed to cut through more because he didn't stay on one topic for any length of time that the liberals could pin him on (like a faster version of the Howard philosophy of government). The parliamentary super thing seemed like a fluke. I’m not sure about the employee survey stuff. Most of them seem designed to find out where the employers next legal suit might be coming from, not as an independently comparable measure against other companies.

Latham seemed to cut through more because he didn’t stay on one topic for any length of time that the liberals could pin him on (like a faster version of the Howard philosophy of government). The parliamentary super thing seemed like a fluke.

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70328 Gummo Trotsky Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:06:12 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70328 Ah - and there I was thinking it meant something like a talk-back radio spot or a Hun column. Ah - and there I was thinking it meant something like a talk-back radio spot or a Hun column.

]]> By: Mark Bahnisch http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70319 Mark Bahnisch Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:16:24 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70319 It's an expression Teddy Roosevelt coined for the persuasional power of the Presidency. It’s an expression Teddy Roosevelt coined for the persuasional power of the Presidency.

]]> By: Nicholas Gruen http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70318 Nicholas Gruen Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:16:23 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70318 "a public office of sufficiently high rank that it provides the holder with an opportunity to speak out and be listened to on any matter; "the American presidency is a bully pulpit" wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn “a public office of sufficiently high rank that it provides the holder with an opportunity to speak out and be listened to on any matter; “the American presidency is a bully pulpit”
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

]]> By: Gummo Trotsky http://clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70315 Gummo Trotsky Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:10:48 +0000 http://www.clubtroppo.com.au/2006/12/14/beyond-policy-in-politics-the-forth-suasional-arm-of-government/#comment-70315 Why "bully pulpit"? Why “bully pulpit”?

]]>