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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; So, who started it?</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-109158</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; So, who started it?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] government mudslinging. The ALP did not &#8220;start it&#8221;. Prior to reviewing Hansard, I had suspected that the government must have received a tip-off about the prospective police raids on its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] government mudslinging. The ALP did not &#8220;start it&#8221;. Prior to reviewing Hansard, I had suspected that the government must have received a tip-off about the prospective police raids on its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104948</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, yes, it&#039;s quite interesting.  After years of ministerial unaccountability, there is something edifying about the flush of cabinet and shadow cabinet ministers walking, or that they consider it, even.  Though these are petty reasons - no balls, really - that an element of sportsmanship is entering the fray is somehow welcome.  Of course, to have them go &quot;dead on line&quot; would be better. Not like the old days of caught and bowled, nor that we should really get used to a captain&#039;s call for his idea of an underarm call.

Still, as silly as these later developments are. the greater public might enjoy this: that there is some sense of accountability.  And as a blanket platform as we enter the tougher stuff this can only do good as it must inevitably tend to policy debate on the one hand, or style, as a valid secondary, on the other.

We&#039;ve a much changed political interaction just now and given where we&#039;ve been this last half decade or so overall it&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, yes, it&#8217;s quite interesting.  After years of ministerial unaccountability, there is something edifying about the flush of cabinet and shadow cabinet ministers walking, or that they consider it, even.  Though these are petty reasons &#8211; no balls, really &#8211; that an element of sportsmanship is entering the fray is somehow welcome.  Of course, to have them go &#8220;dead on line&#8221; would be better. Not like the old days of caught and bowled, nor that we should really get used to a captain&#8217;s call for his idea of an underarm call.</p>
<p>Still, as silly as these later developments are. the greater public might enjoy this: that there is some sense of accountability.  And as a blanket platform as we enter the tougher stuff this can only do good as it must inevitably tend to policy debate on the one hand, or style, as a valid secondary, on the other.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve a much changed political interaction just now and given where we&#8217;ve been this last half decade or so overall it&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104938</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way things are going, Robert, with this new found-- Costello inspired-- political morality there may be no one left to create the policy. The confessional boxes must be running hot for both parties.

 Abbott Tony, the most busy at present, I would suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way things are going, Robert, with this new found&#8211; Costello inspired&#8211; political morality there may be no one left to create the policy. The confessional boxes must be running hot for both parties.</p>
<p> Abbott Tony, the most busy at present, I would suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104767</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 04:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One all.  But gee, on face value, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/thomson-quits-rudds-team-over-letter/2007/03/09/1173166958060.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is on the outer edges of belief. 

So why not pose the question Rudd is similarly clearing the decks for further return attacks on the Coalition?  No, bugger it?    

Bring on policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One all.  But gee, on face value, <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/thomson-quits-rudds-team-over-letter/2007/03/09/1173166958060.html">this</a> is on the outer edges of belief. </p>
<p>So why not pose the question Rudd is similarly clearing the decks for further return attacks on the Coalition?  No, bugger it?    </p>
<p>Bring on policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104437</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see now politically correct is equivalent as calling someone a rodent!!

Says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see now politically correct is equivalent as calling someone a rodent!!</p>
<p>Says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104094</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The departure of Lightfoot from the Senate lib team would be a significant blow for &#039;Sir Ratty&#039;. Will that do? If he is forced to go independent then good bye to control of upper house. Not an unlikely scenario according to no other than Inslyders Barrie Cassidy on abc radio today.His opinion seemed to be that it would be very hard for him to explain this one away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The departure of Lightfoot from the Senate lib team would be a significant blow for &#8216;Sir Ratty&#8217;. Will that do? If he is forced to go independent then good bye to control of upper house. Not an unlikely scenario according to no other than Inslyders Barrie Cassidy on abc radio today.His opinion seemed to be that it would be very hard for him to explain this one away.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104075</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, get a life.

Otherwise tell me if it is &quot;Australian&quot;
(a) to be given a nickname by your mates
(b) to turn your back on a mate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, get a life.</p>
<p>Otherwise tell me if it is &#8220;Australian&#8221;<br />
(a) to be given a nickname by your mates<br />
(b) to turn your back on a mate</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-104006</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harry clarke said:
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I am unhappy with the term </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harry clarke said:</p>
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I am unhappy with the term </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103542</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree with Harry re rodent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree with Harry re rodent</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103534</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an interesting letter in The Australian today by Greg Poropat about the  Prime Minister getting advance information on AFP raids and other policing matters. In the case of the Queensland Liberals he knew, as CS says, on Thursday night - days before the media knew. I am not interested in the specific details of the case or conspiracy theories but I dislike this practice in principle. It lends itself to abuse e.g. it can lead to selective leaking of information damaging to the other side or attempts to distract from forthcoming bad news. I am not saying Howard is guilty of that: I don&#039;t know. But I believe it is a practice which needs to be reviewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an interesting letter in The Australian today by Greg Poropat about the  Prime Minister getting advance information on AFP raids and other policing matters. In the case of the Queensland Liberals he knew, as CS says, on Thursday night &#8211; days before the media knew. I am not interested in the specific details of the case or conspiracy theories but I dislike this practice in principle. It lends itself to abuse e.g. it can lead to selective leaking of information damaging to the other side or attempts to distract from forthcoming bad news. I am not saying Howard is guilty of that: I don&#8217;t know. But I believe it is a practice which needs to be reviewed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back CL's blog</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103509</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back CL's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS,
Then you are officially a prat, a politically correct one at that!

Laurie Oakes on 9 last night said the liberal office was given a hours warning of the raid.

There is more to this than meets the eye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS,<br />
Then you are officially a prat, a politically correct one at that!</p>
<p>Laurie Oakes on 9 last night said the liberal office was given a hours warning of the raid.</p>
<p>There is more to this than meets the eye</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103214</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You miss the point, I fear Harry. The conventional phrase in context would be &quot;smell a rat&quot;, regardless of whether the rat in question happened to be Howard. This is accepted usage, see Oxford, for &quot;I suspect that something funny is up&quot; or &quot; I suspect someone might not be playing straight&quot;. 

To the extent that you miss the functional and take a literal offence, you would be even more offended if I used the perfectly acceptable &quot;smell a rat&quot;. When you really think about it, I have promoted the PM from a perfectly acceptable rat to a rodent (is a &#039;rodent&#039; above a &#039;rat&#039;? Discuss). 

As it happens, with a flourish, appealing most of all for its brevity, by my inflexion, the word is able to convey both the conventional meaning of (&quot;smell a rat&quot;), and the identity in (&quot;rodent&quot;), the story; the &quot;what&quot; and the &quot;who&quot;, in one neat cut. 

From a writer&#039;s perspective, the word&#039;s thus working double-time ... and a half: the half is that it also conveys a slightly irreverent attitude, which should alert sensitive types not to read further or they might be upset. 

So I&#039;m rather pleased with it. So I guess we disagree. I would agree that the term is overused, notwithstanding its featuring role as a seamless enhancement in this particular case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You miss the point, I fear Harry. The conventional phrase in context would be &#8220;smell a rat&#8221;, regardless of whether the rat in question happened to be Howard. This is accepted usage, see Oxford, for &#8220;I suspect that something funny is up&#8221; or &#8221; I suspect someone might not be playing straight&#8221;. </p>
<p>To the extent that you miss the functional and take a literal offence, you would be even more offended if I used the perfectly acceptable &#8220;smell a rat&#8221;. When you really think about it, I have promoted the PM from a perfectly acceptable rat to a rodent (is a &#8216;rodent&#8217; above a &#8216;rat&#8217;? Discuss). </p>
<p>As it happens, with a flourish, appealing most of all for its brevity, by my inflexion, the word is able to convey both the conventional meaning of (&#8220;smell a rat&#8221;), and the identity in (&#8220;rodent&#8221;), the story; the &#8220;what&#8221; and the &#8220;who&#8221;, in one neat cut. </p>
<p>From a writer&#8217;s perspective, the word&#8217;s thus working double-time &#8230; and a half: the half is that it also conveys a slightly irreverent attitude, which should alert sensitive types not to read further or they might be upset. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m rather pleased with it. So I guess we disagree. I would agree that the term is overused, notwithstanding its featuring role as a seamless enhancement in this particular case.</p>
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		<title>By: harry clarke</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103212</link>
		<dc:creator>harry clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment on the term &#039;rodent&#039; stands. I couldn&#039;t care less who uses it - Jeff Kennett or whoever. Its an inaccurate description of Howard and an unnecessarily  offensive way of referring to anyone. 

Yes you dislike him, so what? It doesn&#039;t contribute to any discussion to describe Howard as a &#039;rodent&#039; and to refer to his alleged role in a political situation as his &#039;smell&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment on the term &#8216;rodent&#8217; stands. I couldn&#8217;t care less who uses it &#8211; Jeff Kennett or whoever. Its an inaccurate description of Howard and an unnecessarily  offensive way of referring to anyone. </p>
<p>Yes you dislike him, so what? It doesn&#8217;t contribute to any discussion to describe Howard as a &#8216;rodent&#8217; and to refer to his alleged role in a political situation as his &#8216;smell&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103209</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the matter central to the questions raised: whether Howard knew about upcoming federal police raids on his MP&#039;s prior to the QT Burke attack, we only have vague media reports - can anyone point to a link with clear edification on this? (serious question).

Given the vagueness of reports so far as known, via the media, as to who was notified and when, it is certainly tenable that knowledge of those upcoming raids was held by one or more persons prior to that Burke attack. That is, on the thursday morning.

It is unproven otherwise.

There is nothing to say conclusively otherwise, for instance, that Tony Nutt for example, wasn&#039;t notified in some way on Thursday morning that raids were to take place. Nor is it unproven that Costello could have been given the nod to throw the Burke card on the table during Question Time shortly after, on account of that direction, including that the nature of that advice wasn&#039;t mentioned to Costello: only that now is the time. 

All the while, Howard may have known only that the Burke attack on Rudd was importantly now (thursday) to be done.  &quot;Now is the time,&quot; Nutt tells him, for example. Enough said - per the internal script for things such as these plausibly deniable political plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the matter central to the questions raised: whether Howard knew about upcoming federal police raids on his MP&#8217;s prior to the QT Burke attack, we only have vague media reports &#8211; can anyone point to a link with clear edification on this? (serious question).</p>
<p>Given the vagueness of reports so far as known, via the media, as to who was notified and when, it is certainly tenable that knowledge of those upcoming raids was held by one or more persons prior to that Burke attack. That is, on the thursday morning.</p>
<p>It is unproven otherwise.</p>
<p>There is nothing to say conclusively otherwise, for instance, that Tony Nutt for example, wasn&#8217;t notified in some way on Thursday morning that raids were to take place. Nor is it unproven that Costello could have been given the nod to throw the Burke card on the table during Question Time shortly after, on account of that direction, including that the nature of that advice wasn&#8217;t mentioned to Costello: only that now is the time. </p>
<p>All the while, Howard may have known only that the Burke attack on Rudd was importantly now (thursday) to be done.  &#8220;Now is the time,&#8221; Nutt tells him, for example. Enough said &#8211; per the internal script for things such as these plausibly deniable political plays.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis X Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103202</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis X Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harry - The Rodent was/is insider Lib party very common name for JWH. Jeff Kennett and Andrew Peacock had a slightly more colourful and robust set of names for him. I still have an original cassette tape of the conversation. Cassette tape, thats how old it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>harry &#8211; The Rodent was/is insider Lib party very common name for JWH. Jeff Kennett and Andrew Peacock had a slightly more colourful and robust set of names for him. I still have an original cassette tape of the conversation. Cassette tape, thats how old it is.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103198</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you are unhappy Harry. Pehaps you could take your complaint up with senator Brandis, former opposition leader Andrew Peacock and former premier Jeff Kennett, colleagues who were all very fond of the PM&#039;s nickname.

I know what you&#039;re saying FXH, which means that the issue will probably never be able to be nailed, as discrete whispers don&#039;t leave records. Still, a decent journalist could seek to pin the PM on who provided the actual advice to who when, precisely, and then double check with the sources. It could also be a useful ask in Question Time.

On the forensics Robert, yes, the &quot;office&quot; reference is another (safe) barrier away, which is useful in case of the need for deniability. Is it not also a tad odd that the PM specified Thursday &quot;night&quot;? By comparison, he didn&#039;t, as far as I can see, specify the part of the day that the official ministerial advice came through on Friday. Why was he being so precise as the specify &quot;night&quot; and so vague as to only say &quot;office&quot; on Thursday, neither of which then mattered on remembering his formal receipt on Friday, when it was all being recalled yesterday?

More generally, I wouldn&#039;t make a positive assertion of conspiracy, or orchestrated scandal if you prefer, on an issue such as this, as it would obviously be foolish to do so in the absence of the facts. I&#039;m merely suggesting that, given the PM&#039;s past record and the way in which the story worked out in effect, the facts may be worth following up. To those who deny the PM&#039;s (dark) political genius, I say underestimate him at your peril, as so many have before you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you are unhappy Harry. Pehaps you could take your complaint up with senator Brandis, former opposition leader Andrew Peacock and former premier Jeff Kennett, colleagues who were all very fond of the PM&#8217;s nickname.</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re saying FXH, which means that the issue will probably never be able to be nailed, as discrete whispers don&#8217;t leave records. Still, a decent journalist could seek to pin the PM on who provided the actual advice to who when, precisely, and then double check with the sources. It could also be a useful ask in Question Time.</p>
<p>On the forensics Robert, yes, the &#8220;office&#8221; reference is another (safe) barrier away, which is useful in case of the need for deniability. Is it not also a tad odd that the PM specified Thursday &#8220;night&#8221;? By comparison, he didn&#8217;t, as far as I can see, specify the part of the day that the official ministerial advice came through on Friday. Why was he being so precise as the specify &#8220;night&#8221; and so vague as to only say &#8220;office&#8221; on Thursday, neither of which then mattered on remembering his formal receipt on Friday, when it was all being recalled yesterday?</p>
<p>More generally, I wouldn&#8217;t make a positive assertion of conspiracy, or orchestrated scandal if you prefer, on an issue such as this, as it would obviously be foolish to do so in the absence of the facts. I&#8217;m merely suggesting that, given the PM&#8217;s past record and the way in which the story worked out in effect, the facts may be worth following up. To those who deny the PM&#8217;s (dark) political genius, I say underestimate him at your peril, as so many have before you.</p>
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		<title>By: LIBBY CONVICTION &#171; DUCKPOND</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103193</link>
		<dc:creator>LIBBY CONVICTION &#171; DUCKPOND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Skepticlawyer is attracting a stream of comments following her post on International Law. Chris at Troppo suggests the Burke bucket was dropped on Rudd to divert attention from the alleged misuse of money [...]</description>
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		<title>By: harry clarke</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103191</link>
		<dc:creator>harry clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unhappy with the term &#039;rodent&#039; being applied to Howard. Isn&#039;t this one way the Nazis described Jews? It makes anything Howard does or says seem subhuman and feral. That&#039;s an imaginative though inaccurate picture of this man that you so clearly dislike. Equally clearly the term is designed to distort people&#039;s picture of him with a distortion. 

The post itself is a set of questions and a conjecture without a shred of evidence that nevertheless points to a very clear viewpoint. The main conjecture: &#039;you &lt;b&gt;smell&lt;/b&gt; a rodent&#039;? Evidence? And again, what a way of referring to a person.  

Whatever you think of him, John Howard himself would never refer to his worst political enemy in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unhappy with the term &#8216;rodent&#8217; being applied to Howard. Isn&#8217;t this one way the Nazis described Jews? It makes anything Howard does or says seem subhuman and feral. That&#8217;s an imaginative though inaccurate picture of this man that you so clearly dislike. Equally clearly the term is designed to distort people&#8217;s picture of him with a distortion. </p>
<p>The post itself is a set of questions and a conjecture without a shred of evidence that nevertheless points to a very clear viewpoint. The main conjecture: &#8216;you <b>smell</b> a rodent&#8217;? Evidence? And again, what a way of referring to a person.  </p>
<p>Whatever you think of him, John Howard himself would never refer to his worst political enemy in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103189</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this theory is close to the mark.  If you read &quot;The Greatest Story Ever Sold&quot; and believe that Howard and Bush are working from the same playbook then there is likely to be something in this.  According to Frank Rich, one *key* reason why the US invaded Iraq was to boost Bush and the GOP - a purely domestic short term political agenda engineered by Rove!  Now we know that JWH is capable of engineering fiction in the lead up to an election - my guess is that something is up and it may well be this.  How else to explain the completely over the top reactions from the Libs and the Murdoch press - and sadly some of the rest of the mainstream media.  They know something that the rest of us don&#039;t yet know.  BTW - has anyone asked any serious questions about why Cheney was here a week and a half ago? - this may give you a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this theory is close to the mark.  If you read &#8220;The Greatest Story Ever Sold&#8221; and believe that Howard and Bush are working from the same playbook then there is likely to be something in this.  According to Frank Rich, one *key* reason why the US invaded Iraq was to boost Bush and the GOP &#8211; a purely domestic short term political agenda engineered by Rove!  Now we know that JWH is capable of engineering fiction in the lead up to an election &#8211; my guess is that something is up and it may well be this.  How else to explain the completely over the top reactions from the Libs and the Murdoch press &#8211; and sadly some of the rest of the mainstream media.  They know something that the rest of us don&#8217;t yet know.  BTW &#8211; has anyone asked any serious questions about why Cheney was here a week and a half ago? &#8211; this may give you a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103171</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well call me Howardanoid because that thought crossed my mind - the investigation had been underway for six months and he may have known that, just not known the outcome e.g. that there would be a raid. 

Would love to have known the contents of the &quot;long&quot; discussion with Campbell.

Then again that could be my cynicism. 

On the other hand, if I maintain my view that federal politics is just office politics on a national stage, I have come across more than one office politician who likes to keep a bit of powder dry.

And more than one deft opportunist (and I would put Howard in that category)

I guess that means I agree with Fred A. with the caveat that I don&#039;t buy the Howard spiel most of the time, but I can see how many would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well call me Howardanoid because that thought crossed my mind &#8211; the investigation had been underway for six months and he may have known that, just not known the outcome e.g. that there would be a raid. </p>
<p>Would love to have known the contents of the &#8220;long&#8221; discussion with Campbell.</p>
<p>Then again that could be my cynicism. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if I maintain my view that federal politics is just office politics on a national stage, I have come across more than one office politician who likes to keep a bit of powder dry.</p>
<p>And more than one deft opportunist (and I would put Howard in that category)</p>
<p>I guess that means I agree with Fred A. with the caveat that I don&#8217;t buy the Howard spiel most of the time, but I can see how many would.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103154</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, it&#039;s patently obvious that Howard and Costello have had the Brian Burke card up their sleeve for some time, and decided that last week was the right time to play it. Whether orchestrating a scandal merits the term conspiracy is something you can worry about.

The real is question is why they chose that particular moment. Chris&#039;s theory is plausible, but that&#039;s as much as can be said of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, it&#8217;s patently obvious that Howard and Costello have had the Brian Burke card up their sleeve for some time, and decided that last week was the right time to play it. Whether orchestrating a scandal merits the term conspiracy is something you can worry about.</p>
<p>The real is question is why they chose that particular moment. Chris&#8217;s theory is plausible, but that&#8217;s as much as can be said of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark U</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-103117</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, my alternative was a half-baked suggestion trying to show that you can come up with any explanation if you try hard enough but they will usually have some holes in them. My point is that neither your or my explanation is particularly plausible and it is easier to assume that the timing of all these events is purely coincidental, rather than coming up with complicated conspiracy theories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, my alternative was a half-baked suggestion trying to show that you can come up with any explanation if you try hard enough but they will usually have some holes in them. My point is that neither your or my explanation is particularly plausible and it is easier to assume that the timing of all these events is purely coincidental, rather than coming up with complicated conspiracy theories.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-102962</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On some of the forensics: the link says Howard&#039;s &quot;office&quot; was told on thursday night. Which office, where?  Does that exclude an individual not in the office from being told earlier? Nor does it say the AFP told Howard&#039;s office that night, only that his office was told. Of course we should not mentioning plausible deniability here.  Or more validly strange: it must have been a very late call from the AFP to Howard&#039;s office for Howard&#039;s office not to call Howard himself and let him know &lt;i&gt;three&lt;/i&gt; of his MPs are about to be police raided. Do we go hmmm?  Nope, instead, the Prime Minister was told the next day. 

Is the AFP in the business of confirming or refuting statements found in the press as made by politicians?  How much leeway does the PM&#039;s office have when it comes to making public statements about prior AFP advice?

And what is the protocol for politicians being advised about an upcoming raid? A phone call? Formal notification? To where and, exactly, to whom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On some of the forensics: the link says Howard&#8217;s &#8220;office&#8221; was told on thursday night. Which office, where?  Does that exclude an individual not in the office from being told earlier? Nor does it say the AFP told Howard&#8217;s office that night, only that his office was told. Of course we should not mentioning plausible deniability here.  Or more validly strange: it must have been a very late call from the AFP to Howard&#8217;s office for Howard&#8217;s office not to call Howard himself and let him know <i>three</i> of his MPs are about to be police raided. Do we go hmmm?  Nope, instead, the Prime Minister was told the next day. </p>
<p>Is the AFP in the business of confirming or refuting statements found in the press as made by politicians?  How much leeway does the PM&#8217;s office have when it comes to making public statements about prior AFP advice?</p>
<p>And what is the protocol for politicians being advised about an upcoming raid? A phone call? Formal notification? To where and, exactly, to whom?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis X Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-102951</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis X Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cs - like you anyone who has worked the top level gov mean streets knows there is advice and &quot;advice&quot;. There is advice about advice. There is advice about advice that is about to be advised. There are rumours from impeccable sources about advice. 

A nods as good as a wink to a blind horse.*

*Some might not remember that Rod Stewart used to be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cs &#8211; like you anyone who has worked the top level gov mean streets knows there is advice and &#8220;advice&#8221;. There is advice about advice. There is advice about advice that is about to be advised. There are rumours from impeccable sources about advice. </p>
<p>A nods as good as a wink to a blind horse.*</p>
<p>*Some might not remember that Rod Stewart used to be good.</p>
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		<title>By: whyisitso</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/07/howardanoia/#comment-102950</link>
		<dc:creator>whyisitso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your alternative conspiracy falls over, since the raids were conducted by the federal - not state - police&quot;

Utter rubbish!  The feds have to investigate on the basis of &quot;information&quot; received.  &quot;Information&quot; planted by &quot;I wonder who&quot;.

All conspiracy theories are equal but some are more equal then others.  I&#039;ll back mine and we&#039;ll see who&#039;s right a bit down the track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your alternative conspiracy falls over, since the raids were conducted by the federal &#8211; not state &#8211; police&#8221;</p>
<p>Utter rubbish!  The feds have to investigate on the basis of &#8220;information&#8221; received.  &#8220;Information&#8221; planted by &#8220;I wonder who&#8221;.</p>
<p>All conspiracy theories are equal but some are more equal then others.  I&#8217;ll back mine and we&#8217;ll see who&#8217;s right a bit down the track.</p>
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