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		<title>By: orang</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-109618</link>
		<dc:creator>orang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I know Tim Blair&#039;s weakness. Tie him up and whisper &quot;The turkey was plastic&quot; and he will tell you anything. Forget about WMD&#039;s, the reasons for war, global warming or not, does God exist,..there&#039;s one he KNOWS for sure. At his death bed he will utter to those around him, &quot;......the turkey was .....real..&quot; (croak)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I know Tim Blair&#8217;s weakness. Tie him up and whisper &#8220;The turkey was plastic&#8221; and he will tell you anything. Forget about WMD&#8217;s, the reasons for war, global warming or not, does God exist,..there&#8217;s one he KNOWS for sure. At his death bed he will utter to those around him, &#8220;&#8230;&#8230;the turkey was &#8230;..real..&#8221; (croak)</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; So, who started it?</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-109238</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; So, who started it?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 07:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Howard government has frequently justified launching the now notoriously self-destructive &#8220;character&#8221; debate by suggesting that the mudslinging began with Kevin Rudd asking [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Howard government has frequently justified launching the now notoriously self-destructive &#8220;character&#8221; debate by suggesting that the mudslinging began with Kevin Rudd asking [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108981</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is easy to feel that way, Amanda.  The longer a mob stays in power, the more the public come to learn about what tricks and tactics get them there. It gets harder and harder for the tricksters to pull it off. I believe there&#039;s reason to be confident that the public will call Howard on what he does this time around.  The question is whether they accept what they see, or not.  But I don&#039;t believe he&#039;ll pull the wool over peoples&#039; eyes again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to feel that way, Amanda.  The longer a mob stays in power, the more the public come to learn about what tricks and tactics get them there. It gets harder and harder for the tricksters to pull it off. I believe there&#8217;s reason to be confident that the public will call Howard on what he does this time around.  The question is whether they accept what they see, or not.  But I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;ll pull the wool over peoples&#8217; eyes again.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108911</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;battered voter syndrome&#039; is an extremely distateful term but I do feel it, too many false dawns.  Ratty will pull this one out and get a landlside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;battered voter syndrome&#8217; is an extremely distateful term but I do feel it, too many false dawns.  Ratty will pull this one out and get a landlside.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108397</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s. Not pretty is it mate.  Rudd posits forward as a human being, complex and built upon human reasons for which to lead, frail and inspired as they be, and Howard, who has done none of that himself, wishes to annihilate those relevences within the Australian punter psyche and diminish him to what Howard regards himself to be, electorally: a mere politician, and all those low things that entails (from his perspective).

Of course, that&#039;s not to tell of the complexity of how Howard sees himself.

But it tells something of the public, electoral, battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. Not pretty is it mate.  Rudd posits forward as a human being, complex and built upon human reasons for which to lead, frail and inspired as they be, and Howard, who has done none of that himself, wishes to annihilate those relevences within the Australian punter psyche and diminish him to what Howard regards himself to be, electorally: a mere politician, and all those low things that entails (from his perspective).</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s not to tell of the complexity of how Howard sees himself.</p>
<p>But it tells something of the public, electoral, battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108340</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I don&#039;t think Howard gives a shit about whether he can stay above it.  That&#039;s not to take away from what you&#039;ve said there (which speaks fairly of other models).  Only that there&#039;s an element to Howard&#039;s ph&#039;ship which accepts politicians are regarded poorly and from there he can create the punter vote bites. Enough, for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I don&#8217;t think Howard gives a shit about whether he can stay above it.  That&#8217;s not to take away from what you&#8217;ve said there (which speaks fairly of other models).  Only that there&#8217;s an element to Howard&#8217;s ph&#8217;ship which accepts politicians are regarded poorly and from there he can create the punter vote bites. Enough, for him.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108309</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-108044</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda,a few thoughts for my bobs. Howard did well to do the anger and disappointment thing, and the press default to that being &quot;news&quot;. However, the impact of a minister in extremely odious circumstances bringing the government down is what the punter gets. The shares dimension of this one stings with the money management picture, too.  How the PM reacts doesn&#039;t define the out-take. That impact is all the more damaging as people relax into their papers on their weekend. And the coverage was given in the context of not only more likely coming up but also in that it has damaged Howard&#039;s credibility to go Rudd for &quot;judgement&quot;, as Harry says.  On top of all that it has thrown Queensland fairly on the hotplate for the Coalition, to a wider audience. That particularly will play out for months.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;, is in your face stuff, still up at the end of Saturday.

This coverage today lays the bedrock for next week&#039;s context, as well. It has certainly cut through, but that doesn&#039;t mean people are likely to be engaged, that is, to necessarily respond.  

The tension in the Coalition must be building, too, which adds to potential problems and press hunger.

You&#039;re right, though, that it all starts much later on.  This is preliminary groundsetting, though some of it at the very least will linger on.  Discipline and on-Rudd and on-Coalition attack issues rise up from this context. So it&#039;s now about what further &lt;strong&gt;damage&lt;/strong&gt; is done and to whom, until the economy and security come on down.

For a long shot idea, having considered this today,  I&#039;m going to throw down a wild card and say Howard will later focus not on the economy, but security, as his winning strike.

Behind this is the supposition that Rudd will hit Howard on the economy, reframe it and at the very least muddy the waters for Howard. The talk &quot;the economy is going well enough to hand over&quot; is quite powerful, coming from the commentariat along the way.  There&#039;s also a tiredness in Howard speaking of the economy, which could take some exemplary announcements to overcome. Talk of Howard resigning later also throws up the issue of who will be Treasurer.

So if Rudd and his team don&#039;t crack or stumble, Howard will be under enormous pressure. Even if it&#039;s lacklustrre from Rudd, I&#039;m tending to wonder that Howard will go hellishly low with some divisive, fear, bolt-you-to-the-seat security dogwhistley &lt;i&gt;filth&lt;/i&gt; which gets him home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda,a few thoughts for my bobs. Howard did well to do the anger and disappointment thing, and the press default to that being &#8220;news&#8221;. However, the impact of a minister in extremely odious circumstances bringing the government down is what the punter gets. The shares dimension of this one stings with the money management picture, too.  How the PM reacts doesn&#8217;t define the out-take. That impact is all the more damaging as people relax into their papers on their weekend. And the coverage was given in the context of not only more likely coming up but also in that it has damaged Howard&#8217;s credibility to go Rudd for &#8220;judgement&#8221;, as Harry says.  On top of all that it has thrown Queensland fairly on the hotplate for the Coalition, to a wider audience. That particularly will play out for months.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/">This</a>, is in your face stuff, still up at the end of Saturday.</p>
<p>This coverage today lays the bedrock for next week&#8217;s context, as well. It has certainly cut through, but that doesn&#8217;t mean people are likely to be engaged, that is, to necessarily respond.  </p>
<p>The tension in the Coalition must be building, too, which adds to potential problems and press hunger.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, though, that it all starts much later on.  This is preliminary groundsetting, though some of it at the very least will linger on.  Discipline and on-Rudd and on-Coalition attack issues rise up from this context. So it&#8217;s now about what further <strong>damage</strong> is done and to whom, until the economy and security come on down.</p>
<p>For a long shot idea, having considered this today,  I&#8217;m going to throw down a wild card and say Howard will later focus not on the economy, but security, as his winning strike.</p>
<p>Behind this is the supposition that Rudd will hit Howard on the economy, reframe it and at the very least muddy the waters for Howard. The talk &#8220;the economy is going well enough to hand over&#8221; is quite powerful, coming from the commentariat along the way.  There&#8217;s also a tiredness in Howard speaking of the economy, which could take some exemplary announcements to overcome. Talk of Howard resigning later also throws up the issue of who will be Treasurer.</p>
<p>So if Rudd and his team don&#8217;t crack or stumble, Howard will be under enormous pressure. Even if it&#8217;s lacklustrre from Rudd, I&#8217;m tending to wonder that Howard will go hellishly low with some divisive, fear, bolt-you-to-the-seat security dogwhistley <i>filth</i> which gets him home.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-107967</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know if people think Howard can stay above all this,  because as long as he does, I am far less confident of it cutting through.  The SMH coverage today was all about &quot;furious and embarrassed&quot; Howard, as if he has nothing to do with it.  If it stops here, a couple of non entitities no one has hardly heard about,  I think it starts square with the campaign proper.   All this will cancel out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know if people think Howard can stay above all this,  because as long as he does, I am far less confident of it cutting through.  The SMH coverage today was all about &#8220;furious and embarrassed&#8221; Howard, as if he has nothing to do with it.  If it stops here, a couple of non entitities no one has hardly heard about,  I think it starts square with the campaign proper.   All this will cancel out.</p>
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		<title>By: Link</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-107805</link>
		<dc:creator>Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;John Howard has thrown the kitchen sink at Kevin Rudd, trying to do what he did to Mark Latham - destroy the man&#039;s character. In trying to invent something with Kevin Rudd he has singularly failed. I think character is possibly going to be an election issue in this next campaign. But it&#039;s not Kevin Rudd&#039;s character.

&quot;It is John Howard&#039;s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From Alan Ramsay.  

 cs writes,&lt;blockquote&gt;. . . how many other areas of government are now occupied by individuals and interests who basically treat their responsibilities to the prime minister with contempt, confident he</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;John Howard has thrown the kitchen sink at Kevin Rudd, trying to do what he did to Mark Latham &#8211; destroy the man&#8217;s character. In trying to invent something with Kevin Rudd he has singularly failed. I think character is possibly going to be an election issue in this next campaign. But it&#8217;s not Kevin Rudd&#8217;s character.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is John Howard&#8217;s.</p></blockquote>
<p>From Alan Ramsay.  </p>
<p> cs writes,<br />
<blockquote>. . . how many other areas of government are now occupied by individuals and interests who basically treat their responsibilities to the prime minister with contempt, confident he</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-107598</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a disaster Howard&#039;s &quot;integrity&quot; offensive against Rudd has turned into.  The whole idea of a long-standing government going on a mud-slinging offensive against the opposition was a silly one.  Long-standing governments in their nature are more likely to have shady things that will be uncovered in the bunfight than the opposition will.  John Major, f&#039;rinstance, also found this out the hard way.

And yes, there&#039;s more than a whiff of the last days of the UK Tories in all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a disaster Howard&#8217;s &#8220;integrity&#8221; offensive against Rudd has turned into.  The whole idea of a long-standing government going on a mud-slinging offensive against the opposition was a silly one.  Long-standing governments in their nature are more likely to have shady things that will be uncovered in the bunfight than the opposition will.  John Major, f&#8217;rinstance, also found this out the hard way.</p>
<p>And yes, there&#8217;s more than a whiff of the last days of the UK Tories in all this.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106795</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter when Santoro went. Nobody cares. And he&#039;s a nobody. The election is yonks away. The only thing that matters currently is that the Brian Burke thing is finished and Rudd is still upright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter when Santoro went. Nobody cares. And he&#8217;s a nobody. The election is yonks away. The only thing that matters currently is that the Brian Burke thing is finished and Rudd is still upright.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106738</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, what did you see of Debnam&#039;s coverage?  The two were separated, federal and state, and Debnam from what I saw got a pasting.  Blew me away re the Libs.

I&#039;d be interested in how you view what&#039;s going on.

My question, by the way, was rhetorically placed. The better time than Friday for Santoro to resign is Saturday, when it&#039;s a sporty slow news night.  This would allow the otherwise Howard shots to get a good run in the big press on Saturday, and keep the biggest news night, Sunday, free of the heavy damage as well. But they&#039;ve gone and lost the lot.

I maintain the Rudd sledging will occur per previous comments, and would suppose this today might be regarded not only as indicative of serious systemic problems, perhaps even Howard&#039;s personal loss of way for the moment until he pulls it back onto his territory, and that these things could be rectified more than sufficiently within the Coalition programme.

Do you feel, for instance, that there&#039;s something amiss, systemically, in the Coalition process as the days unfold?  Apart from the trashing madness of it, today, where do you sense the Coalition is at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, what did you see of Debnam&#8217;s coverage?  The two were separated, federal and state, and Debnam from what I saw got a pasting.  Blew me away re the Libs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in how you view what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>My question, by the way, was rhetorically placed. The better time than Friday for Santoro to resign is Saturday, when it&#8217;s a sporty slow news night.  This would allow the otherwise Howard shots to get a good run in the big press on Saturday, and keep the biggest news night, Sunday, free of the heavy damage as well. But they&#8217;ve gone and lost the lot.</p>
<p>I maintain the Rudd sledging will occur per previous comments, and would suppose this today might be regarded not only as indicative of serious systemic problems, perhaps even Howard&#8217;s personal loss of way for the moment until he pulls it back onto his territory, and that these things could be rectified more than sufficiently within the Coalition programme.</p>
<p>Do you feel, for instance, that there&#8217;s something amiss, systemically, in the Coalition process as the days unfold?  Apart from the trashing madness of it, today, where do you sense the Coalition is at?</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106734</link>
		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea Robert, I don&#039;t disagree. I was just stumbling around for an answer. My first instinct was to think, &quot;why not Saturday?&quot;. 

Did Howard blow his gasket, or is there more to this story? I&#039;d like to see more columnists asking that question over the next couple of days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea Robert, I don&#8217;t disagree. I was just stumbling around for an answer. My first instinct was to think, &#8220;why not Saturday?&#8221;. </p>
<p>Did Howard blow his gasket, or is there more to this story? I&#8217;d like to see more columnists asking that question over the next couple of days.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106729</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Could Santoro have resigned on the weekend, to miss the heavyweight damage and get the terrorism run?&quot;

I wondered whether it might have been strategically placed to avert the gaze from Debnam&#039;s sobbing concession this morning - 8 days out from the NSW election. Extraordinary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could Santoro have resigned on the weekend, to miss the heavyweight damage and get the terrorism run?&#8221;</p>
<p>I wondered whether it might have been strategically placed to avert the gaze from Debnam&#8217;s sobbing concession this morning &#8211; 8 days out from the NSW election. Extraordinary.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106722</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick, the thing is it&#039;s so close to QT that they&#039;re going to be dogged by it anyway, by reference. Saturday afternoon would have been better than this, which makes me really wonder what is breaking down, if Howard made the call to rid him.

Howard as we know does two things when he&#039;s facing it: he acts within minutes, or he awaits public mood. He&#039;s immaculate with the media cycle, usually, and this today indicates systemic error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick, the thing is it&#8217;s so close to QT that they&#8217;re going to be dogged by it anyway, by reference. Saturday afternoon would have been better than this, which makes me really wonder what is breaking down, if Howard made the call to rid him.</p>
<p>Howard as we know does two things when he&#8217;s facing it: he acts within minutes, or he awaits public mood. He&#8217;s immaculate with the media cycle, usually, and this today indicates systemic error.</p>
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		<title>By: mick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106719</link>
		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert&#039;s question is a really good one. Why resign on a Friday? I think that Howard hopes that this will end with this news cycle and they can start the week with a cleanish slate. 

It&#039;s a gamble to be sure, but if it was announced on Sunday they could find themselves dogged by this issue all week with parliament sitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert&#8217;s question is a really good one. Why resign on a Friday? I think that Howard hopes that this will end with this news cycle and they can start the week with a cleanish slate. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a gamble to be sure, but if it was announced on Sunday they could find themselves dogged by this issue all week with parliament sitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106717</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Mark U. That&#039;s Howardspeak of course, taking the sting out of it. But he did add this &quot;and I don&#039;t think anyone would believe that [in the context of it being inadvertent]&quot;. That Howard quote is interesting and we&#039;re entitled to read into it because Howard is so very careful with what he says. We could rightly take from what Howard said as an admission that &quot;I can get people to believe one inadvertency&quot;, meaning he could get away with it.  Whether Howard was talking about something else not covered in the clip, or whether he was caught out on a slip because he was in unfamiliar, politically unguarded media territory, or whether he&#039;s losing his touch, is unknown.

In considering some points by Chris, we could remember that Howard went hellbent on a massive policy implementation agenda since winning control of the senate, and would have been very thinly spread.

The fact Howard didn&#039;t call Santoro sooner makes me wonder if he himself has taken full control of strategic duties and was out of touch being away. Who the hell knows. He&#039;s the lost a minister, he&#039;s lost enormous weight to the media cycle, and he&#039;s lost the initiative. Clearly the Howard regime is cracking from serious problems within it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Mark U. That&#8217;s Howardspeak of course, taking the sting out of it. But he did add this &#8220;and I don&#8217;t think anyone would believe that [in the context of it being inadvertent]&#8220;. That Howard quote is interesting and we&#8217;re entitled to read into it because Howard is so very careful with what he says. We could rightly take from what Howard said as an admission that &#8220;I can get people to believe one inadvertency&#8221;, meaning he could get away with it.  Whether Howard was talking about something else not covered in the clip, or whether he was caught out on a slip because he was in unfamiliar, politically unguarded media territory, or whether he&#8217;s losing his touch, is unknown.</p>
<p>In considering some points by Chris, we could remember that Howard went hellbent on a massive policy implementation agenda since winning control of the senate, and would have been very thinly spread.</p>
<p>The fact Howard didn&#8217;t call Santoro sooner makes me wonder if he himself has taken full control of strategic duties and was out of touch being away. Who the hell knows. He&#8217;s the lost a minister, he&#8217;s lost enormous weight to the media cycle, and he&#8217;s lost the initiative. Clearly the Howard regime is cracking from serious problems within it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark U</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106714</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice Howard downgraded the number of shareholdings to a score!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice Howard downgraded the number of shareholdings to a score!</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106713</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder what it says about Howard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I wonder what it says about Howard</i></p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106698</link>
		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the feeling of schadenfreude in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the feeling of schadenfreude in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106692</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I&#039;m just buggered on this.  This resignation trumps today&#039;s attempt at Howard&#039;s terrorism reclamation, and ruins it for the weekend. Could Santoro have resigned on the weekend, to miss the heavyweight damage and get the terrorism run? Now Howard will have to go back to Afghanistan on a second surprise visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;m just buggered on this.  This resignation trumps today&#8217;s attempt at Howard&#8217;s terrorism reclamation, and ruins it for the weekend. Could Santoro have resigned on the weekend, to miss the heavyweight damage and get the terrorism run? Now Howard will have to go back to Afghanistan on a second surprise visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106689</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear that?  A stampede?  No! Damn that&#039;s frenetic typing.  Ah... happy weekend papers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear that?  A stampede?  No! Damn that&#8217;s frenetic typing.  Ah&#8230; happy weekend papers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106686</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I wonder what it says about Howard&#039;s &#039;judgment&#039;? You recall he and his fellow Ministers deplored Rudd&#039;s lack of judgment in appointing someone like Thomson to the AG position - and it was a fair point. But what about the PM&#039;s judgment in appointing someone who conceals or overlooks 40 to 50 shareholdings?  Even Andrew Bolt says that this is &quot;the first unmistakable whiff of decay&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I wonder what it says about Howard&#8217;s &#8216;judgment&#8217;? You recall he and his fellow Ministers deplored Rudd&#8217;s lack of judgment in appointing someone like Thomson to the AG position &#8211; and it was a fair point. But what about the PM&#8217;s judgment in appointing someone who conceals or overlooks 40 to 50 shareholdings?  Even Andrew Bolt says that this is &#8220;the first unmistakable whiff of decay&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Link</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/16/santorogate-bites/#comment-106684</link>
		<dc:creator>Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did they find these slimy types? (I can imagine funnily enough, that actually there are quite a few.) But really, its gross its almost too tedious for words. Oh well. On with the show. Off with more heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did they find these slimy types? (I can imagine funnily enough, that actually there are quite a few.) But really, its gross its almost too tedious for words. Oh well. On with the show. Off with more heads.</p>
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