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	<title>Comments on: Guest post: Who are the power-and-opinion-brokers who&#8217;ll influence the election?</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/03/18/guest-post-who-are-the-power-and-opinion-brokers-wholl-influence-the-election/#comment-110900</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 05:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. and what about YouTube, with voting people who have only known the Howard Government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. and what about YouTube, with voting people who have only known the Howard Government?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*) The advertising outfit for the Coalition who turn Rudd into a backwater fraud, and frighten everyone about life in a nation of Labor Governments.

*) The &quot;middle Australia&quot; men and women of all ages who feature in the ALP&#039;s television advertisements talking directly into the heads of viewers about their insecure causal wages, working nights and weekends for day rates, they haven&#039;t seen their kids and their family is shot, the economic prosperity of the nation being talked about elsewhere doesn&#039;t exist for them,   and they are frightened to death about what a proven untrustworthy Howard (and or Costello) will do to them next if he&#039;s elected again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*) The advertising outfit for the Coalition who turn Rudd into a backwater fraud, and frighten everyone about life in a nation of Labor Governments.</p>
<p>*) The &#8220;middle Australia&#8221; men and women of all ages who feature in the ALP&#8217;s television advertisements talking directly into the heads of viewers about their insecure causal wages, working nights and weekends for day rates, they haven&#8217;t seen their kids and their family is shot, the economic prosperity of the nation being talked about elsewhere doesn&#8217;t exist for them,   and they are frightened to death about what a proven untrustworthy Howard (and or Costello) will do to them next if he&#8217;s elected again.</p>
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		<title>By: D W Griffiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>D W Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Adelaide, you&#039;d have to consider 5AA talkback king &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Francis_(radio)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bob Francis&lt;/a&gt;. As the 5AA site puts it: &quot;Aggressive, loud, rude, arrogant... and those are his good points.&quot; But some of the smarter SA politicians on both sides go to great lengths to keep on his good side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Adelaide, you&#8217;d have to consider 5AA talkback king <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Francis_(radio)" rel="nofollow">Bob Francis</a>. As the 5AA site puts it: &#8220;Aggressive, loud, rude, arrogant&#8230; and those are his good points.&#8221; But some of the smarter SA politicians on both sides go to great lengths to keep on his good side.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there&#039;s a fair bit of pushback on this post both here and elsewhere. 

For what it&#039;s worth I posted my own take on this on the Dead Roo&#039;s site. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I know there are different views on this - not least from some of the commenters at Troppo - but I must say I find it odd that there is this idea that we should be proprietorial about out blogs.  I guess I&#039;m proprietorial in the sense that I like people visiting an contributing and thinking Troppo is worth the effort to visit.  But if we can help others do their jobs, what exactly is the problem? 

In the world of business I&#039;m always surprised at how rarely firms - even firms that are in the same industry and are competing against each other in some major way - like to get customers - can nevertheless benefit from co-operating with each other. (And I&#039;m not talking of collusion or &#039;government relations&#039;)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I know views differ on this.  Also I agree that I&#039;m not that much a fan of the questions Christian is asking. I personally don&#039;t like this hunting round for powerful people and what is inevitably associated with it - lionising them. But that&#039;s what journos go for I guess.  As the son of an academic and accordingly having been brought up in what seems now to be a very unworldly way, I&#039;m always surprised at how little attention is given to the quality of what people say and how much is given to how important they are.  But there you go.  &lt;em&gt;Sic transit gloria mundi &lt;/em&gt;and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there&#8217;s a fair bit of pushback on this post both here and elsewhere. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth I posted my own take on this on the Dead Roo&#8217;s site. </p>
<blockquote><p>I know there are different views on this &#8211; not least from some of the commenters at Troppo &#8211; but I must say I find it odd that there is this idea that we should be proprietorial about out blogs.  I guess I&#8217;m proprietorial in the sense that I like people visiting an contributing and thinking Troppo is worth the effort to visit.  But if we can help others do their jobs, what exactly is the problem? </p>
<p>In the world of business I&#8217;m always surprised at how rarely firms &#8211; even firms that are in the same industry and are competing against each other in some major way &#8211; like to get customers &#8211; can nevertheless benefit from co-operating with each other. (And I&#8217;m not talking of collusion or &#8216;government relations&#8217;)</p></blockquote>
<p>But I know views differ on this.  Also I agree that I&#8217;m not that much a fan of the questions Christian is asking. I personally don&#8217;t like this hunting round for powerful people and what is inevitably associated with it &#8211; lionising them. But that&#8217;s what journos go for I guess.  As the son of an academic and accordingly having been brought up in what seems now to be a very unworldly way, I&#8217;m always surprised at how little attention is given to the quality of what people say and how much is given to how important they are.  But there you go.  <em>Sic transit gloria mundi </em>and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dead Roo &#187; Monday Quick Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dead Roo &#187; Monday Quick Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Larvatus Prodeo and Club Troppo are all proudly displaying spam from Crikey. Come on guys, it ain&#8217;t really a &#8220;guest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ex-hack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex-hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Who are the people in politics and the media who will really decide the outcome of this year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Who are the people in politics and the media who will really decide the outcome of this year</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems I&#039;m not the only one that thinks this is a silly question. It&#039;s silly because it both completely obvious and also unknowable.  Howard and Rudd and the rest of their teams  will have the greatest influence, and then in descending order of importance the media, business, unions, other parties, interest groups and some local candidates in the marginal seats.  But it is unknowable because none can say which Minister will fail next, or whether Osama will successfull carry out a major terrorist attack against the West, or if a Public Servant decides to leak some dirt.

Surely a better question to ask is &lt;em&gt;what&lt;/em&gt; will influence the election?  Will &lt;em&gt;interest rates&lt;/em&gt; trump &lt;em&gt;education&lt;/em&gt;?  Will the public care about the recent absurd probity tussle?  Will the drought break - alleviating the environmenal problems in the voting public&#039;s back garden?  Will the unfolding Bush debacle taint Mr. Howard by association? Will there be a sudden swelling of Iraqi refugees on the Indonesian coast keen to test Mr. Howard&#039;s commitments to the &#039;Freedon of the Iraqi people&#039;?   Will Israel attack Iran?  Will the jittery stockmarket tumble?  

Once we know these things and all the others, then maybe we are in a position to say &lt;em&gt;who&lt;/em&gt; is going to have the influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems I&#8217;m not the only one that thinks this is a silly question. It&#8217;s silly because it both completely obvious and also unknowable.  Howard and Rudd and the rest of their teams  will have the greatest influence, and then in descending order of importance the media, business, unions, other parties, interest groups and some local candidates in the marginal seats.  But it is unknowable because none can say which Minister will fail next, or whether Osama will successfull carry out a major terrorist attack against the West, or if a Public Servant decides to leak some dirt.</p>
<p>Surely a better question to ask is <em>what</em> will influence the election?  Will <em>interest rates</em> trump <em>education</em>?  Will the public care about the recent absurd probity tussle?  Will the drought break &#8211; alleviating the environmenal problems in the voting public&#8217;s back garden?  Will the unfolding Bush debacle taint Mr. Howard by association? Will there be a sudden swelling of Iraqi refugees on the Indonesian coast keen to test Mr. Howard&#8217;s commitments to the &#8216;Freedon of the Iraqi people&#8217;?   Will Israel attack Iran?  Will the jittery stockmarket tumble?  </p>
<p>Once we know these things and all the others, then maybe we are in a position to say <em>who</em> is going to have the influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon the mum-and-dad voters will have a big influence on the outcome this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon the mum-and-dad voters will have a big influence on the outcome this year.</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
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		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Laws must be near the top of the list, no? (btw - Andrew Bolt is only published in Melbourne is that right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Laws must be near the top of the list, no? (btw &#8211; Andrew Bolt is only published in Melbourne is that right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;who will really decide the outcome of this year</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;who will really decide the outcome of this year</p>
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