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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113817</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And get on with that plug in Jacques - glory awaits.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've been playing with it a bit. Currently I've run into a hitch in the way Dreamhost have set up the visual text editor. I've submitted a fix request and I expect to progress in a day or two.

It may be possible to apply the same plugin to a private installation of MediaWiki, which means it could be done while the editions are being put together.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Wish I could code.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are many, many introductions online!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And get on with that plug in Jacques - glory awaits.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been playing with it a bit. Currently I&#8217;ve run into a hitch in the way Dreamhost have set up the visual text editor. I&#8217;ve submitted a fix request and I expect to progress in a day or two.</p>
<p>It may be possible to apply the same plugin to a private installation of MediaWiki, which means it could be done while the editions are being put together.</p>
<blockquote><p> Wish I could code.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are many, many introductions online!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113801</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't miss the easter frivolities and dig at George Pell at &lt;a href="http://www.kadaitcha.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Beyond the Fringe&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t miss the easter frivolities and dig at George Pell at <a href="http://www.kadaitcha.com/" >Beyond the Fringe</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113785</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dealers learn to count their pennies. 

And get on with that plug in Jacques - glory awaits. Wish I could code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dealers learn to count their pennies. </p>
<p>And get on with that plug in Jacques - glory awaits. Wish I could code.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113726</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Setting aside the question of whether auditing acountants are boring, how exactly would dope turn someone into an auditing accountant? Unless you mean he grew and sold it, and used the proceeds to pay his course fees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting aside the question of whether auditing acountants are boring, how exactly would dope turn someone into an auditing accountant? Unless you mean he grew and sold it, and used the proceeds to pay his course fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113724</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a difference?  Sorry, sorry, couldn't help myself.  I'm sure there are some auditing accountants who are really interesting people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a difference?  Sorry, sorry, couldn&#8217;t help myself.  I&#8217;m sure there are some auditing accountants who are really interesting people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113721</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keep Mary Jane illegal because it turns people into boring dickheads.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It turned a mate of mine into a successful auditing accountant, does that count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keep Mary Jane illegal because it turns people into boring dickheads.</p></blockquote>
<p>It turned a mate of mine into a successful auditing accountant, does that count?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony.T</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113657</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony.T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the cancer. Keep Mary Jane illegal because it turns people into boring dickheads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the cancer. Keep Mary Jane illegal because it turns people into boring dickheads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken;

I'm still doing it manually. If you look at the source code for modified posts, I wrap editorial comments in a particular set of tags:

&#60;span class="sidenote"&#62;The body of the sidenote here&#60;/span&#62;

Which becomes:

&lt;span class="sidenote"&gt;The body of the sidenote here&lt;/span&gt;

In the stylesheet I inserted a style class - sidenote - which instructs on how to move the text sideways, call it out etc etc.

I can think in broad terms of how such a plugin might work, but it'd require the usual amount of head-smacking and confusion before setting to rights.

Still, it'd save me having to do it myself by hand, as well as earning me everlasting glory as the person who reinvented footnotes, so why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still doing it manually. If you look at the source code for modified posts, I wrap editorial comments in a particular set of tags:</p>
<p>&lt;span class=&#8221;sidenote&#8221;&gt;The body of the sidenote here&lt;/span&gt;</p>
<p>Which becomes:</p>
<p><span class="sidenote">The body of the sidenote here</span></p>
<p>In the stylesheet I inserted a style class - sidenote - which instructs on how to move the text sideways, call it out etc etc.</p>
<p>I can think in broad terms of how such a plugin might work, but it&#8217;d require the usual amount of head-smacking and confusion before setting to rights.</p>
<p>Still, it&#8217;d save me having to do it myself by hand, as well as earning me everlasting glory as the person who reinvented footnotes, so why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Jacques.  You seem to have the breakout boxes working much better now in layout terms.  Is it automated to any extent, or still totally dependent on your manual intercession?

Of course the task was simplified in the current edition by the fact that I only used one image, at the very beginning.  Otherwise the clash between images and breakout boxes might well again have caused formatting problems.  I'm not sure how that can be resolved.  Positioning images on the left (as you suggested) might sometimes be possible.  However, I can't really use that expedient where an image would be adjacent to an indent/blockquote, because a left-positioned image effectively eliminates the indent.

Hence I'm not sure whether you'll be able to develop a Wordpress "breakout" plugin that works completely reliably for posts like Missing Link.  But most blog posts don't involve that level of formatting complexity, so it's probably still a worthwhile quest.  I certainly hope you succeed, because I think it potentially adds a new level to the multi-layered conversation that is blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Jacques.  You seem to have the breakout boxes working much better now in layout terms.  Is it automated to any extent, or still totally dependent on your manual intercession?</p>
<p>Of course the task was simplified in the current edition by the fact that I only used one image, at the very beginning.  Otherwise the clash between images and breakout boxes might well again have caused formatting problems.  I&#8217;m not sure how that can be resolved.  Positioning images on the left (as you suggested) might sometimes be possible.  However, I can&#8217;t really use that expedient where an image would be adjacent to an indent/blockquote, because a left-positioned image effectively eliminates the indent.</p>
<p>Hence I&#8217;m not sure whether you&#8217;ll be able to develop a Wordpress &#8220;breakout&#8221; plugin that works completely reliably for posts like Missing Link.  But most blog posts don&#8217;t involve that level of formatting complexity, so it&#8217;s probably still a worthwhile quest.  I certainly hope you succeed, because I think it potentially adds a new level to the multi-layered conversation that is blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113608</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep Mary Jane illegal &lt;em&gt;because it causes cancer?&lt;/em&gt; Surely that's gotta be the most unconvincing bit of wowsering in the history of argumentative pissweakery.

You can get cancer from smoking any old thing. You could smoke tea leaves or carrot shavings for all it matters: burning organic matter at low temperatures with poor oxygen mix means the creation of carcinogens.

Next argument, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep Mary Jane illegal <em>because it causes cancer?</em> Surely that&#8217;s gotta be the most unconvincing bit of wowsering in the history of argumentative pissweakery.</p>
<p>You can get cancer from smoking any old thing. You could smoke tea leaves or carrot shavings for all it matters: burning organic matter at low temperatures with poor oxygen mix means the creation of carcinogens.</p>
<p>Next argument, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Deltoid</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113599</link>
		<dc:creator>Deltoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pinata whacking outsourced...&lt;/strong&gt;

to Robert Merkel. (Via missing link.)......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pinata whacking outsourced&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>to Robert Merkel. (Via missing link.)&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113596</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thursday mornings eh?

I'll see what I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thursday mornings eh?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll see what I can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/04/05/missing-link-11/#comment-113564</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;would probably make him quite popular in a seat based on Lakemba&lt;/em&gt;

Morris Iemma holds the state seat based on Lakemba, with an increased margin after the last election.  Mamdouh Habib got 0.9% of the vote, I believe,  I would expect David Hicks would get alot less.    At Fed level its very safely held by Tony Burke.  I know its just a quip, but really I doubt he would get much support anywhere (has he not given up on the whole Islam thing anyway?)  Not that its going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>would probably make him quite popular in a seat based on Lakemba</em></p>
<p>Morris Iemma holds the state seat based on Lakemba, with an increased margin after the last election.  Mamdouh Habib got 0.9% of the vote, I believe,  I would expect David Hicks would get alot less.    At Fed level its very safely held by Tony Burke.  I know its just a quip, but really I doubt he would get much support anywhere (has he not given up on the whole Islam thing anyway?)  Not that its going to happen.</p>
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