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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-119014</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 01:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Gummo. I reckon all that Rudd has to do is say &quot;so please tell the Australian public Mr Howard: Is this a core promise? And if so, how long will it stay that way?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Gummo. I reckon all that Rudd has to do is say &#8220;so please tell the Australian public Mr Howard: Is this a core promise? And if so, how long will it stay that way?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-119012</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milne jumps the field today: 

&lt;i&gt;there is now a feeling that John Howard and Peter Costello are beginning to hit their straps at the right time of the electoral cycle; that while Kevin Rudd remains indisputably at the head of the field, the Prime Minister and Treasurer are coming around the turn and beginning to gather the Labor leader in.&lt;/i&gt;

The little Aussie battler, the ordinary, unloved, ragged, wartorn underdog, fights back with tenacious guts and dour determination against the Labor behemoth. From News Ltd, coming soon to a paper near you ...

If the LNP can pull a point or two from the Nielsen, and then a point or two from the budget, expect &quot;Government draws level&quot; reports Dennis Shanahan, &quot;ALP lead slashed to 10 points.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milne jumps the field today: </p>
<p><i>there is now a feeling that John Howard and Peter Costello are beginning to hit their straps at the right time of the electoral cycle; that while Kevin Rudd remains indisputably at the head of the field, the Prime Minister and Treasurer are coming around the turn and beginning to gather the Labor leader in.</i></p>
<p>The little Aussie battler, the ordinary, unloved, ragged, wartorn underdog, fights back with tenacious guts and dour determination against the Labor behemoth. From News Ltd, coming soon to a paper near you &#8230;</p>
<p>If the LNP can pull a point or two from the Nielsen, and then a point or two from the budget, expect &#8220;Government draws level&#8221; reports Dennis Shanahan, &#8220;ALP lead slashed to 10 points.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118975</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 13:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>democratically horrific Christmas amongst a boatload of changes all guillotined) - and by this adjustment he&#039;s making further claim we live in his house. In contrast, Rudd is trying to buy the house.

What you&#039;ve heard is the first day of rhetoric.  Howard will drum that message into peoples&#039; heads without an iota of entering the question until he stands strong in voter mind as the man of those select, few, brilliantly consumable idioms.

Rudd, instead, has to open up the bigger picture and prove he can hold that together. But he can also rip into Howard with similar, simple, messages.  That&#039;s for the taking if voters see Howard as a dud.

If a swing is already in the air, none of this matters.  But if not, and Howard and others have good reason to expect it&#039;s not, then Howard&#039;s toe-hold can open up into a case of a touch &quot;too much risk&quot; to vote for Labor.  Howard has done this before.  It&#039;s partly about people&#039;s fear, partly about their apathy. Partly about the media grab. And partly about acting the part.  

So far, the IR issue in the binoculars of an election, is not at all clear - unlike the clarity of daily IR issues.

I&#039;m not making Howard out to be the master playmaker here - I imagine he knows he&#039;s lost a lot.  But I am saying today&#039;s acceptance and reading of Howard&#039;s move is not as it will be in three month&#039;s time.

Nor is that to say Rudd is not benefited by Howard&#039;s move.

But for now, notwithstanding daily winds and dialogue, Howard&#039;s move has yet to reap its reward - and my point is it wasn&#039;t designed to do so today. Today, he cops the flak. &#039;Tomorrow&#039;, the words he spoke start working.

Rudd can shoot them down as much as shooting his own foot. 

It&#039;s a fascinating beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democratically horrific Christmas amongst a boatload of changes all guillotined) &#8211; and by this adjustment he&#8217;s making further claim we live in his house. In contrast, Rudd is trying to buy the house.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;ve heard is the first day of rhetoric.  Howard will drum that message into peoples&#8217; heads without an iota of entering the question until he stands strong in voter mind as the man of those select, few, brilliantly consumable idioms.</p>
<p>Rudd, instead, has to open up the bigger picture and prove he can hold that together. But he can also rip into Howard with similar, simple, messages.  That&#8217;s for the taking if voters see Howard as a dud.</p>
<p>If a swing is already in the air, none of this matters.  But if not, and Howard and others have good reason to expect it&#8217;s not, then Howard&#8217;s toe-hold can open up into a case of a touch &#8220;too much risk&#8221; to vote for Labor.  Howard has done this before.  It&#8217;s partly about people&#8217;s fear, partly about their apathy. Partly about the media grab. And partly about acting the part.  </p>
<p>So far, the IR issue in the binoculars of an election, is not at all clear &#8211; unlike the clarity of daily IR issues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not making Howard out to be the master playmaker here &#8211; I imagine he knows he&#8217;s lost a lot.  But I am saying today&#8217;s acceptance and reading of Howard&#8217;s move is not as it will be in three month&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>Nor is that to say Rudd is not benefited by Howard&#8217;s move.</p>
<p>But for now, notwithstanding daily winds and dialogue, Howard&#8217;s move has yet to reap its reward &#8211; and my point is it wasn&#8217;t designed to do so today. Today, he cops the flak. &#8216;Tomorrow&#8217;, the words he spoke start working.</p>
<p>Rudd can shoot them down as much as shooting his own foot. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fascinating beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118974</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a smart move by Howard. He knows he&#039;s long lost sectors of the voting public -  and he&#039;s given up on them long ago himself.  This is not specifically about general play. This is sectorial with an overlay of general voter toe-hold.

That toe-hold is designed to keep his words in public mind as the game rolls on. &#039;Sectorially&#039;, he covers his bases as he sees them.

The question is how the mob now see Howard, and how or if they take on board his utterances.

Why it&#039;s clever is because Rudd has by no means claimed IR as Labor&#039;s win, and having made the changes, Howard can call Labor on several fronts - he&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;architect&lt;/i&gt; now (having had the laws in place for significant electoral time -hence the need to rush them through pre &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a smart move by Howard. He knows he&#8217;s long lost sectors of the voting public &#8211;  and he&#8217;s given up on them long ago himself.  This is not specifically about general play. This is sectorial with an overlay of general voter toe-hold.</p>
<p>That toe-hold is designed to keep his words in public mind as the game rolls on. &#8216;Sectorially&#8217;, he covers his bases as he sees them.</p>
<p>The question is how the mob now see Howard, and how or if they take on board his utterances.</p>
<p>Why it&#8217;s clever is because Rudd has by no means claimed IR as Labor&#8217;s win, and having made the changes, Howard can call Labor on several fronts &#8211; he&#8217;s the <i>architect</i> now (having had the laws in place for significant electoral time -hence the need to rush them through pre <i>that</i></p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118876</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... After all the approach enshrined in the new fairness test (on which millions of PR dollars are already being expended will be protected by law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but will those laws be enacted as core legislation, or non-core legislation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; After all the approach enshrined in the new fairness test (on which millions of PR dollars are already being expended will be protected by law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but will those laws be enacted as core legislation, or non-core legislation?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas you remind me of an interesting point. Many AWAs apply &lt;strong&gt;prospectively&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;, usually because a worker signs up when s/he gets a job. So how is anyone to know whether they&#039;ll earn more than $75000 or not? Under agreements with substantial performance-based pay components, or in jobs with variable overtime requirements, there&#039;d simply be no way of telling whether the test applied for months after the agreement came into being.

The whole thing is a joke. The &lt;strike&gt;Employment Advocate&lt;/strike&gt; Workplace Authority would be tearing its hair out except for one thing: the whole certification process goes on behind closed doors so the bureaucrats can apply pretty much whatever interpretation they like and nobody is in a position to challenge them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas you remind me of an interesting point. Many AWAs apply <strong>prospectively</strong><em>, usually because a worker signs up when s/he gets a job. So how is anyone to know whether they&#8217;ll earn more than $75000 or not? Under agreements with substantial performance-based pay components, or in jobs with variable overtime requirements, there&#8217;d simply be no way of telling whether the test applied for months after the agreement came into being.</p>
<p>The whole thing is a joke. The <strike>Employment Advocate</strike> Workplace Authority would be tearing its hair out except for one thing: the whole certification process goes on behind closed doors so the bureaucrats can apply pretty much whatever interpretation they like and nobody is in a position to challenge them.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118728</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 06:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, 

Do you think there should be &#039;no disadvantage&#039; tests for people earning &gt;75K?  I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t. 

And if I might change the tone a little, surely you&#039;re not suggesting that on getting back into govt Howard would diddle the workers who&#039;d voted for him. After all the approach enshrined in the new fairness test (on which millions of PR dollars are already being expended will be &#039;protected by law&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, </p>
<p>Do you think there should be &#8216;no disadvantage&#8217; tests for people earning >75K?  I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And if I might change the tone a little, surely you&#8217;re not suggesting that on getting back into govt Howard would diddle the workers who&#8217;d voted for him. After all the approach enshrined in the new fairness test (on which millions of PR dollars are already being expended will be &#8216;protected by law&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118700</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swio says women with legal entitlements are sackable for no reason if they have some money coming to them anyway and ambitious males want their jobs. 

Interesting admission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swio says women with legal entitlements are sackable for no reason if they have some money coming to them anyway and ambitious males want their jobs. </p>
<p>Interesting admission.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118698</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, you&#039;re right, under the pre-WorkChoices system the award &#039;safety net&#039; was evolving, the result of ongoing three-way bargaining between unions, employers and the Commission. The Work and Family test case of 2005 is a good example. It meant the right to a second year of unpaid mat leaave, the right to request part-time work on returning to work etc etc. Once such clauses became generalised through most industry awards, it would have to be a factor taken onto account for the pruopses of administering the no disadvantage test. In short, standards are ratchetted up to reflect evolving community standards as well as the specifics of particular industries. With legislated minima, or minima set by references to awards frozen as of March 2006, any increase in the baseline depends on the legislative process (refelcting perhaps political will and the electoral cycle), with outcomes that are generally going to be of a one-size-fits-all variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, you&#8217;re right, under the pre-WorkChoices system the award &#8216;safety net&#8217; was evolving, the result of ongoing three-way bargaining between unions, employers and the Commission. The Work and Family test case of 2005 is a good example. It meant the right to a second year of unpaid mat leaave, the right to request part-time work on returning to work etc etc. Once such clauses became generalised through most industry awards, it would have to be a factor taken onto account for the pruopses of administering the no disadvantage test. In short, standards are ratchetted up to reflect evolving community standards as well as the specifics of particular industries. With legislated minima, or minima set by references to awards frozen as of March 2006, any increase in the baseline depends on the legislative process (refelcting perhaps political will and the electoral cycle), with outcomes that are generally going to be of a one-size-fits-all variety.</p>
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		<title>By: swio</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118697</link>
		<dc:creator>swio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C.L. ,

Correct me if I&#039;m wrong here, but Kelly Hoare will have done over 8 years of parliamentary service by the next election. By my reckoning that entitles her to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aph.gov.au/library/INTGUIDE/pol/Gold_Pass.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lifetime Gold Travel Pass&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aph.gov.au/library/intguide/POL/Super.htm#retiring&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Retirement Allowance&lt;/a&gt; which would be around $60k a year.

After she regains work her income will be at least very close to when she was an MP probably much higher. Surprised to see you falling for a bit of Labour hack spin :-)

Talk about a fake subject...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.L. ,</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong here, but Kelly Hoare will have done over 8 years of parliamentary service by the next election. By my reckoning that entitles her to a <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/library/INTGUIDE/pol/Gold_Pass.htm">Lifetime Gold Travel Pass</a> and a <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/library/intguide/POL/Super.htm#retiring">Retirement Allowance</a> which would be around $60k a year.</p>
<p>After she regains work her income will be at least very close to when she was an MP probably much higher. Surprised to see you falling for a bit of Labour hack spin :-)</p>
<p>Talk about a fake subject&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the fatuous proposition that an MP is employed by the political party she belongs to does have the virtue of novelty but in the absence of any other features of interest yes, I have better issues to occupy my mind. If the voters in the electorate concerned don&#039;t like it I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll take the appropriate action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the fatuous proposition that an MP is employed by the political party she belongs to does have the virtue of novelty but in the absence of any other features of interest yes, I have better issues to occupy my mind. If the voters in the electorate concerned don&#8217;t like it I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll take the appropriate action.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118688</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a fake subject, Ken. We have full employment. The system is working fairly well; a change has been made to it for reasons of political perception. Perfectly humdrum and perfectly good politics given that it pre-empts the coming multitude of backdowns from Ruddard - as they do their best to turn around the most disastrous policy launch since Medicare Gold. Like Chris, most of the LP luvvies are ALP members and they&#039;re desperately spinning the subject to get some relief after an embarrassing National Conference. I note that you&#039;re not actually interested in a real-life case of a woman being unfairly dismissed by powerful employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fake subject, Ken. We have full employment. The system is working fairly well; a change has been made to it for reasons of political perception. Perfectly humdrum and perfectly good politics given that it pre-empts the coming multitude of backdowns from Ruddard &#8211; as they do their best to turn around the most disastrous policy launch since Medicare Gold. Like Chris, most of the LP luvvies are ALP members and they&#8217;re desperately spinning the subject to get some relief after an embarrassing National Conference. I note that you&#8217;re not actually interested in a real-life case of a woman being unfairly dismissed by powerful employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 02:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good old C.L., always trying to change awkward subjects.

Anthony the changes can be framed now as making the system &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; flexible, because the awards from which the preserved entitlements are drawn are effectively frozen. Neither employers nor unions can apply to vary them to reflect changing industry circumstances.

Your comments about the problems of monitoring adherence to any no disadvantage test are spot on. I&#039;ve seen AWAs from the late 1990s that didn&#039;t appear to meet the test that applied then but they had been certified nevertheless. One of the obvious deficiencies in the process is that the Employment Advocate&#039;s staff can ask the employer for verbal assurances and make their decisions based on them, with no provision for later review. 

Steve at Lavateus Prodeo &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/04/government-discovers-fairness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suggested &lt;/a&gt;the changes had been &#039;hatched ... in the Brisbane cabinet meeting last week.&#039; I reckon they must have done it after a particularly long lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good old C.L., always trying to change awkward subjects.</p>
<p>Anthony the changes can be framed now as making the system <strong><em>less</em></strong> flexible, because the awards from which the preserved entitlements are drawn are effectively frozen. Neither employers nor unions can apply to vary them to reflect changing industry circumstances.</p>
<p>Your comments about the problems of monitoring adherence to any no disadvantage test are spot on. I&#8217;ve seen AWAs from the late 1990s that didn&#8217;t appear to meet the test that applied then but they had been certified nevertheless. One of the obvious deficiencies in the process is that the Employment Advocate&#8217;s staff can ask the employer for verbal assurances and make their decisions based on them, with no provision for later review. </p>
<p>Steve at Lavateus Prodeo <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/05/04/government-discovers-fairness/">suggested </a>the changes had been &#8216;hatched &#8230; in the Brisbane cabinet meeting last week.&#8217; I reckon they must have done it after a particularly long lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118681</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 02:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...if we lose this income, we lose our house&quot;.

But a desperate &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2007/s1914102.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kelly Hoare&lt;/a&gt; won&#039;t get any sympathy from millionaire Kevin Rudd (who claims he lived out of a car boot after his father died and his Mum lost the house) or Greg Combet (who claims his father&#039;s death made him a warrior for justice when his Mum lost their residence at the winery).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if we lose this income, we lose our house&#8221;.</p>
<p>But a desperate <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2007/s1914102.htm">Kelly Hoare</a> won&#8217;t get any sympathy from millionaire Kevin Rudd (who claims he lived out of a car boot after his father died and his Mum lost the house) or Greg Combet (who claims his father&#8217;s death made him a warrior for justice when his Mum lost their residence at the winery).</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 00:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, you&#039;re right, its not the olde no disadvantage test reurrected, even for workers on wages below the threshold. As I said across at LP, my understanding of Howards announcement is that awards wont be the comparator for the fairness test (as they were under the old no disadvantage test.) Rather, the reference is only to what WorkChoices calls protected award conditions: mainly penalty rates, shift loadings, leave loadings, public holidays, bonuses. Previously these could be fairly unilaterally taken away by bosses with no compensation, as long as they explicitly said as much in the AWA. Now they need to be traded away for &#039;fair compensation&#039;

So the old no disadvantage test operated by reference to the wide-ranging and complex web of minimum conditions set by the relevant industry award (which was itself a dynamic and evolving code). 

The new system effectively puts in place instead a two tier baseline: the five minimalist conditions in the Australian Fair Pay and Classification Standard, which cant be traded away, and a second tier of conditions around things like award entitlements to penalty rates and public holidays etc, which can be traded away, as long as theres a genuine trade.

The genuine tradeor fair compensation notion raises the same difficulties we saw with regard to the no disadvantage test. First, its hard to tell whats a genuine trade when comparing apples with oranges: to what extent can, say, higher pay compensate for the loss of conditions which go to a worker&#039;s control over their job. Secondly, ensuring theres a genuine trade can be administratively a hard slog, and there was some evidence with the no disadvantage test that the office of the Employment Advocate (in the case of AWAs) and the AIRC (in the case of collective agreements) werent always that diligent in making sure agreements met the test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, you&#8217;re right, its not the olde no disadvantage test reurrected, even for workers on wages below the threshold. As I said across at LP, my understanding of Howards announcement is that awards wont be the comparator for the fairness test (as they were under the old no disadvantage test.) Rather, the reference is only to what WorkChoices calls protected award conditions: mainly penalty rates, shift loadings, leave loadings, public holidays, bonuses. Previously these could be fairly unilaterally taken away by bosses with no compensation, as long as they explicitly said as much in the AWA. Now they need to be traded away for &#8216;fair compensation&#8217;</p>
<p>So the old no disadvantage test operated by reference to the wide-ranging and complex web of minimum conditions set by the relevant industry award (which was itself a dynamic and evolving code). </p>
<p>The new system effectively puts in place instead a two tier baseline: the five minimalist conditions in the Australian Fair Pay and Classification Standard, which cant be traded away, and a second tier of conditions around things like award entitlements to penalty rates and public holidays etc, which can be traded away, as long as theres a genuine trade.</p>
<p>The genuine tradeor fair compensation notion raises the same difficulties we saw with regard to the no disadvantage test. First, its hard to tell whats a genuine trade when comparing apples with oranges: to what extent can, say, higher pay compensate for the loss of conditions which go to a worker&#8217;s control over their job. Secondly, ensuring theres a genuine trade can be administratively a hard slog, and there was some evidence with the no disadvantage test that the office of the Employment Advocate (in the case of AWAs) and the AIRC (in the case of collective agreements) werent always that diligent in making sure agreements met the test.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118672</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What smacks of desperation, Ken, is the critics&#039; anger and fear that a system working well is now more difficult to advertise against with tens of millions of purloined unionists&#039; dollars. I note that after the catastrophe of Labor&#039;s IR Gold, Kevvie is now eager to assure everyone that - of course - he always intended to &lt;strike&gt;back down, humiliated&lt;/strike&gt; consult with business and tweak Julia&#039;s botched handiwork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What smacks of desperation, Ken, is the critics&#8217; anger and fear that a system working well is now more difficult to advertise against with tens of millions of purloined unionists&#8217; dollars. I note that after the catastrophe of Labor&#8217;s IR Gold, Kevvie is now eager to assure everyone that &#8211; of course &#8211; he always intended to <strike>back down, humiliated</strike> consult with business and tweak Julia&#8217;s botched handiwork.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118670</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 23:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The half-hearted effort to reintroduce Labor&#039;s no disadvantage test really smacks of desperation. If Howard really wanted to neutralise WorkChoices as a big election issue he should simply have reinstated the original test. Sure he would have had to tacitly acknowledge that everything he&#039;d said until now was completely misguided but he could do his been-listening-to-the-people schtick again. He&#039;s got no shame, we know that from previous events (think fuel excise).

However he hasn&#039;t reinstated a proper no disadvantage test at all. As Fred Argy notes, it&#039;s full of holes. Moreover the way the media is reporting it makes it look even more trivial than it actually is. A car space as a trade off for penalty rates - how many people are going to think that&#039;s a good deal? It&#039;s one more indication of how out of touch the government is - it thinks employees of Macquarie Bank in the Sydney CBD are your typical Aussie battlers.

I reckon Howard&#039;s ended up with the worst of both worlds: he&#039;s conceded that WorkChoices is unfair but he hasn&#039;t done anything worthwhile to improve it. All he&#039;s managed to neutralise is concern over Labor&#039;s IR policies. He can hardly criticise them for making changes on the run when he&#039;s just done exactly the same thing. 

One more screw-up by the bloke who was supposed to be The Master Politician of His Era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The half-hearted effort to reintroduce Labor&#8217;s no disadvantage test really smacks of desperation. If Howard really wanted to neutralise WorkChoices as a big election issue he should simply have reinstated the original test. Sure he would have had to tacitly acknowledge that everything he&#8217;d said until now was completely misguided but he could do his been-listening-to-the-people schtick again. He&#8217;s got no shame, we know that from previous events (think fuel excise).</p>
<p>However he hasn&#8217;t reinstated a proper no disadvantage test at all. As Fred Argy notes, it&#8217;s full of holes. Moreover the way the media is reporting it makes it look even more trivial than it actually is. A car space as a trade off for penalty rates &#8211; how many people are going to think that&#8217;s a good deal? It&#8217;s one more indication of how out of touch the government is &#8211; it thinks employees of Macquarie Bank in the Sydney CBD are your typical Aussie battlers.</p>
<p>I reckon Howard&#8217;s ended up with the worst of both worlds: he&#8217;s conceded that WorkChoices is unfair but he hasn&#8217;t done anything worthwhile to improve it. All he&#8217;s managed to neutralise is concern over Labor&#8217;s IR policies. He can hardly criticise them for making changes on the run when he&#8217;s just done exactly the same thing. </p>
<p>One more screw-up by the bloke who was supposed to be The Master Politician of His Era.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118645</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Combet on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2006/s1727307.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Australian Story&lt;/a&gt; late last year:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I get very angry when I see injustice and unfair treatment of people and that had always been, I suppose, a theme in my thinking and my feeling about the world from a very young age... After my father died, we had to move house. We had six weeks to get out... had he not died, I mightn&#039;t be a union official.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The dumped-for-Combet Labor MP &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21671293-1702,00.html
&quot;&gt;yesterday&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Kelly Hoare, who has held the electorate of Charlton since 1998, said she first learned of Mr Combet&#039;s firm decision to run as a candidate in her seat when he phoned her at 7pm (AEST) last night.

Asked how she felt about it today, Ms Hoare said: &quot;I&#039;m pretty angry.&quot;

She said her sacking would put financial strain on her family, with a daughter at university and son on apprentice wages.

&quot;If you knew that you were doing a bad job or that you could somehow be sacked, you&#039;d have that financial consideration in mind,&quot; Ms Hoare said.

&quot;But, when you&#039;re doing a good job and you don&#039;t anticipate it, particularly people in the Labor Party who are campaigning against &lt;b&gt;unfair dismissal&lt;/b&gt; to sack you... there never has been that consideration.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is &quot;a 21st century campaign&quot;? Throwing a woman and children out of work? Combet is a disgrace. He should withdraw and apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Combet on <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2006/s1727307.htm">Australian Story</a> late last year:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I get very angry when I see injustice and unfair treatment of people and that had always been, I suppose, a theme in my thinking and my feeling about the world from a very young age&#8230; After my father died, we had to move house. We had six weeks to get out&#8230; had he not died, I mightn&#8217;t be a union official.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The dumped-for-Combet Labor MP <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21671293-1702,00.html<br />
">yesterday</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Kelly Hoare, who has held the electorate of Charlton since 1998, said she first learned of Mr Combet&#8217;s firm decision to run as a candidate in her seat when he phoned her at 7pm (AEST) last night.</p>
<p>Asked how she felt about it today, Ms Hoare said: &#8220;I&#8217;m pretty angry.&#8221;</p>
<p>She said her sacking would put financial strain on her family, with a daughter at university and son on apprentice wages.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you knew that you were doing a bad job or that you could somehow be sacked, you&#8217;d have that financial consideration in mind,&#8221; Ms Hoare said.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, when you&#8217;re doing a good job and you don&#8217;t anticipate it, particularly people in the Labor Party who are campaigning against <b>unfair dismissal</b> to sack you&#8230; there never has been that consideration.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is &#8220;a 21st century campaign&#8221;? Throwing a woman and children out of work? Combet is a disgrace. He should withdraw and apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118642</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Currency. A night on the red cordial, I see. I have exercised author&#039;s rights to editorialise in my update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Currency. A night on the red cordial, I see. I have exercised author&#8217;s rights to editorialise in my update.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118627</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 11:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...I conducted a wide ranging straw poll today.&lt;/i&gt;

Decoded: Chris had a chat with other Laborites in the Evatt Foundation staff room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;I conducted a wide ranging straw poll today.</i></p>
<p>Decoded: Chris had a chat with other Laborites in the Evatt Foundation staff room.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118626</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 11:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...one of the biggest backflips in Australian political history.&lt;/i&gt;

That would be a good description of Mr Rudd telling the National Conference that union membership is now irrelevant. Second place for astonishing idiocy: Julia Gillard forgetting the minimum wage in Labor&#039;s IR Gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;one of the biggest backflips in Australian political history.</i></p>
<p>That would be a good description of Mr Rudd telling the National Conference that union membership is now irrelevant. Second place for astonishing idiocy: Julia Gillard forgetting the minimum wage in Labor&#8217;s IR Gold.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118616</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 11:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I conducted a wide ranging straw poll today. I&#039;m certain that no-one in the political class, broadly defined as a broadsheet reader, has bought this deal. Much less scientific, neither have the so-called &#039;punters&#039;, broadly defined as Tele readers. The common response was along the lines of &#039;he said it was fair and now he&#039;s admitted it isn&#039;t&#039;. The Nielsen will be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I conducted a wide ranging straw poll today. I&#8217;m certain that no-one in the political class, broadly defined as a broadsheet reader, has bought this deal. Much less scientific, neither have the so-called &#8216;punters&#8217;, broadly defined as Tele readers. The common response was along the lines of &#8216;he said it was fair and now he&#8217;s admitted it isn&#8217;t&#8217;. The Nielsen will be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118614</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 10:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the ozpolitics blog bunfight:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/05/04/gazumped/#comment-67541&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Unbelievably cynical. The PM has discovered his heart because he has discovered fear in it.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the ozpolitics blog bunfight:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ozpolitics.info/blog/2007/05/04/gazumped/#comment-67541"><br />
Unbelievably cynical. The PM has discovered his heart because he has discovered fear in it.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 08:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tort of criminal conspiracy &quot;

Huh?

&quot;Why not? If the 18th century works for the construction industry...&quot;

Then who are the BLF and CFMEU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tort of criminal conspiracy &#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not? If the 18th century works for the construction industry&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Then who are the BLF and CFMEU?</p>
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		<title>By: amused</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/04/sky-falls/#comment-118598</link>
		<dc:creator>amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 07:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you mean he will actually outlaw voluntary association or just remove the pro union bias in IR laws?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I think what he would do is restore the tort of criminal conspiracy to cover all collective attempts by employees to control the terms and conditions under which they work. Why not? If the 18th century works for the construction industry, why not the rest of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you mean he will actually outlaw voluntary association or just remove the pro union bias in IR laws?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think what he would do is restore the tort of criminal conspiracy to cover all collective attempts by employees to control the terms and conditions under which they work. Why not? If the 18th century works for the construction industry, why not the rest of society.</p>
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