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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Budget Edition</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119332</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Budget Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 10:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] encomia on bitching in the modern world is indeed laugh-inducing. Jacques at Troppo, meanwhile, wonders if his entire life is online for the world to see, and suggests that those who expect aspiring pollies and public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] encomia on bitching in the modern world is indeed laugh-inducing. Jacques at Troppo, meanwhile, wonders if his entire life is online for the world to see, and suggests that those who expect aspiring pollies and public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119317</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Publius disagrees&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He does? The bastard. I believe I still have some wriggle room there with the "compelling reasons" clause. I would like to expand that clause to include things like WOW, etc. An grand elf or whatever called Darren Smith would be kind of weird I accept, but those situations aren't truly anonymous, anyway, identity can be tracked. 

Point taken, re: verifiability, but the fact is this rarely happens and is usually quickly corrected when it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Publius disagrees</p></blockquote>
<p>He does? The bastard. I believe I still have some wriggle room there with the &#8220;compelling reasons&#8221; clause. I would like to expand that clause to include things like WOW, etc. An grand elf or whatever called Darren Smith would be kind of weird I accept, but those situations aren&#8217;t truly anonymous, anyway, identity can be tracked. </p>
<p>Point taken, re: verifiability, but the fact is this rarely happens and is usually quickly corrected when it does.</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119312</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I decided to use my real name (when it’s relevant) online for precisely these reasons. Also, I believe you should be prepared to take responsibility for the things you say: If you can’t stand behind your opinions, how much are they worth?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Publius disagrees.

I was going to post using patrickg as my name in order to prove a point, but it would be too much like being an arsehole. Anyway, on the internet, no-one knows if you're a dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I decided to use my real name (when it’s relevant) online for precisely these reasons. Also, I believe you should be prepared to take responsibility for the things you say: If you can’t stand behind your opinions, how much are they worth?</p></blockquote>
<p>Publius disagrees.</p>
<p>I was going to post using patrickg as my name in order to prove a point, but it would be too much like being an arsehole. Anyway, on the internet, no-one knows if you&#8217;re a dog.</p>
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		<title>By: patrickg</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119311</link>
		<dc:creator>patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also point out that to the assorted nerdery here, the idea of a life lived offline seems quite ridiculous, however it's the modus operandi for the vast majority of people.

Blogs, postings, etc. However popular are still largely a minority hobby - even in the West where internet is widespread. It's easy to forget this I think, simply because you never see the people who aren't online (of course), and they don't pop up to explain themselves on blogs, forums, etc.

Personally, I think in most cases less anonymity is good. Obviously if I was blogging from China, no, but where there's no compelling reason, I think it generally encourages better and more civil behaviour online - behaviour that takes into account the consequences of abusing someone, social and legal if need be.

Obviously, this only happens generally, they're are several real-named idiots out there, too, but this isn't so different to real life.

I decided to use my real name (when it's relevant) online for precisely these reasons. Also, I believe you should be prepared to take responsibility for the things you say: If you can't stand behind your opinions, how much are they worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also point out that to the assorted nerdery here, the idea of a life lived offline seems quite ridiculous, however it&#8217;s the modus operandi for the vast majority of people.</p>
<p>Blogs, postings, etc. However popular are still largely a minority hobby - even in the West where internet is widespread. It&#8217;s easy to forget this I think, simply because you never see the people who aren&#8217;t online (of course), and they don&#8217;t pop up to explain themselves on blogs, forums, etc.</p>
<p>Personally, I think in most cases less anonymity is good. Obviously if I was blogging from China, no, but where there&#8217;s no compelling reason, I think it generally encourages better and more civil behaviour online - behaviour that takes into account the consequences of abusing someone, social and legal if need be.</p>
<p>Obviously, this only happens generally, they&#8217;re are several real-named idiots out there, too, but this isn&#8217;t so different to real life.</p>
<p>I decided to use my real name (when it&#8217;s relevant) online for precisely these reasons. Also, I believe you should be prepared to take responsibility for the things you say: If you can&#8217;t stand behind your opinions, how much are they worth?</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119303</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/05/09/youtube" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mark Pilgrim, geek provocateur, said re: this&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear politicians of all stripes:

Everything you have ever said is on Youtube. Please adjust your behavior accordingly.

Thank you.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The next logical step is to start preserving, transcribing, tagging, indexing, ontologising and generally applying semantics to everything any politician of any stripe says. 

"Oh, you never said that? Well, this says otherwise. Accountability is a bitch, neh?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/05/09/youtube" >Mark Pilgrim, geek provocateur, said re: this</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Dear politicians of all stripes:</p>
<p>Everything you have ever said is on Youtube. Please adjust your behavior accordingly.</p>
<p>Thank you.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The next logical step is to start preserving, transcribing, tagging, indexing, ontologising and generally applying semantics to everything any politician of any stripe says. </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, you never said that? Well, this says otherwise. Accountability is a bitch, neh?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119290</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what SL is suggesting is that in terms of searchable history that could potentially cause the subject to blush, she may very well have every single last one of us beat. And that if she can get over her history - such as, not starting an edit war on her wikipedia entry - maybe the rest of us can suck it up as well :- )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what SL is suggesting is that in terms of searchable history that could potentially cause the subject to blush, she may very well have every single last one of us beat. And that if she can get over her history - such as, not starting an edit war on her wikipedia entry - maybe the rest of us can suck it up as well :- )</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119288</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 01:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques - your google isn't as bad as you think. Mainly Troppo plus your own blog, plus a bit of geek stuff. Maybe there's more in Google News, but I suspect not much other than Troppo, your own blog and geeky stuff ;)

No worries, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques - your google isn&#8217;t as bad as you think. Mainly Troppo plus your own blog, plus a bit of geek stuff. Maybe there&#8217;s more in Google News, but I suspect not much other than Troppo, your own blog and geeky stuff <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>No worries, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankie, dontdocrime;

Could either of you provide a link which settles her political affiliation? Then I could update the post. I followed the original story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankie, dontdocrime;</p>
<p>Could either of you provide a link which settles her political affiliation? Then I could update the post. I followed the original story.</p>
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		<title>By: dontdocrime</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119276</link>
		<dc:creator>dontdocrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankie: Tell her to stop donating to the republicans. Because she is clearly on the donation list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankie: Tell her to stop donating to the republicans. Because she is clearly on the donation list.</p>
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		<title>By: dontdocrime</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119275</link>
		<dc:creator>dontdocrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't break the law and you will be fine.

I can't wait until she is older and expressing how bad underage drinking is. 

Typical republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t break the law and you will be fine.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait until she is older and expressing how bad underage drinking is. </p>
<p>Typical republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119274</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As her friend, I must set the record straight.  Ashley is NOT a republican!  She is a registered democrat and a member of the NYU College Democrats to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As her friend, I must set the record straight.  Ashley is NOT a republican!  She is a registered democrat and a member of the NYU College Democrats to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 10:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woodsy -- mostly funny letters from Dad, as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woodsy &#8212; mostly funny letters from Dad, as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119233</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 08:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it's the post budget slump but I couldn't resist a small google of Jacques Chester + idiot. Surprising the number of hits returned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the post budget slump but I couldn&#8217;t resist a small google of Jacques Chester + idiot. Surprising the number of hits returned.</p>
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		<title>By: woodsy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119225</link>
		<dc:creator>woodsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 06:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go on Jaques, tell them what your parents put in the NT News !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go on Jaques, tell them what your parents put in the NT News !</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My plan for total embarrassment continues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My plan for total embarrassment continues!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119222</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could one not Google 'Jacques Chester' after that post? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could one not Google &#8216;Jacques Chester&#8217; after that post? <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRC logs? Uh oh! More bad poetry and youthful hitting on IRC chix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRC logs? Uh oh! More bad poetry and youthful hitting on IRC chix.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119215</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;see everything from my horrible early juvenesque science fiction stories to the latest posts here at Club Troppo or on my personal blog. In between there is a vast spectrum of fiction, political mutterings, economic conversions (several in fact) and even (forgive me O Lord) the odd bit of poetry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You forgot to mention the 6 years of IRC logs I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>see everything from my horrible early juvenesque science fiction stories to the latest posts here at Club Troppo or on my personal blog. In between there is a vast spectrum of fiction, political mutterings, economic conversions (several in fact) and even (forgive me O Lord) the odd bit of poetry.</p></blockquote>
<p>You forgot to mention the 6 years of IRC logs I have.</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119213</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference being that Bush's uncomfortable history has been attacked and defended so much and virulently that there's almost no-one left who really does know whether or not he skipped out on his Air National Guard service; Clinton was able to spin and obfuscate and dodge his uncomfortable past.

If Jacques theory holds true it may become harder and harder to spin when Google's cache has the truth there in cold hard bits.

About the only group that could be thrilled at this are therapists, who are rubbing their greasy hands together at the thought of new patients coming in depressed at the visibility of their pretentious late-teens and early twenties...

"You called yourself what? Oh dear, hold on a moment...Miss Wilson, clear my appointments for the day. And get me a towel."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference being that Bush&#8217;s uncomfortable history has been attacked and defended so much and virulently that there&#8217;s almost no-one left who really does know whether or not he skipped out on his Air National Guard service; Clinton was able to spin and obfuscate and dodge his uncomfortable past.</p>
<p>If Jacques theory holds true it may become harder and harder to spin when Google&#8217;s cache has the truth there in cold hard bits.</p>
<p>About the only group that could be thrilled at this are therapists, who are rubbing their greasy hands together at the thought of new patients coming in depressed at the visibility of their pretentious late-teens and early twenties&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;You called yourself what? Oh dear, hold on a moment&#8230;Miss Wilson, clear my appointments for the day. And get me a towel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/09/no-place-left-or-right-to-hide/#comment-119209</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that first sentence should read:
I predict that &lt;strike&gt;in 20 years time&lt;/strike&gt;now, before and forever more we will have candidates with every sort of chequered past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that first sentence should read:<br />
I predict that <strike>in 20 years time</strike>now, before and forever more we will have candidates with every sort of chequered past.</p>
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