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		<title>By: MrLefty</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119485</link>
		<dc:creator>MrLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 09:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119482</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 08:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look - this is an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look &#8211; this is an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; &#8220;Unaccountability as pure chutzpah&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119481</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; &#8220;Unaccountability as pure chutzpah&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 08:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bemoaning the Bush Govt&#8217;s lack of accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bemoaning the Bush Govt&#8217;s lack of accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: MrLefty</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119476</link>
		<dc:creator>MrLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 07:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it isn&#039;t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition. It&#039;s not just contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it isn&#8217;t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a definite proposition. It&#8217;s not just contradiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119401</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 03:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is.</p>
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		<title>By: MrLefty</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119399</link>
		<dc:creator>MrLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 03:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An argument isn&#039;t just contradiction, Nick.

NOTE: my tolerance for where this is going may be higher than that of CT readers generally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An argument isn&#8217;t just contradiction, Nick.</p>
<p>NOTE: my tolerance for where this is going may be higher than that of CT readers generally.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119388</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are white players in the NBA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are white players in the NBA?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119358</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it&#039;s not.  It&#039;s an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: MrLefty</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119351</link>
		<dc:creator>MrLefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, look this isn&#039;t an argument. It&#039;s just contradiction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, look this isn&#8217;t an argument. It&#8217;s just contradiction!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119335</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 10:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike M,

Thx for the reference to Krugman.  It&#039;s the one I remembered but couldn&#039;t find it so I ended up quoting a somewhat less succinct version that I could source.  Now I&#039;ve got the quote I want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike M,</p>
<p>Thx for the reference to Krugman.  It&#8217;s the one I remembered but couldn&#8217;t find it so I ended up quoting a somewhat less succinct version that I could source.  Now I&#8217;ve got the quote I want.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119334</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 10:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pkarchive.org/column/080505.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Krugman&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Even when reporters do know the difference, the conventions of he-said-she-said journalism get in the way of conveying that knowledge to readers. I once joked that if President Bush said that the Earth was flat, the headlines of news articles would read, &quot;Opinions Differ on Shape of the Earth.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Responsible journalism requires at least a cursory effort to determine the facts of the matter.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dawkins_coyne05/dawkins_coyne05_index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne discuss how this he said-she said practice has been exploited by evolution denialists. They say, &quot;evolution is wrong&quot;. Then when scientists say, &quot;no, it isn&#039;t&quot;, they say, &quot;see, there&#039;s a controversy. You must teach (and report) both sides.&quot;

Of course this couldn&#039;t happen in other contexts... could it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.pkarchive.org/column/080505.html">Paul Krugman</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even when reporters do know the difference, the conventions of he-said-she-said journalism get in the way of conveying that knowledge to readers. I once joked that if President Bush said that the Earth was flat, the headlines of news articles would read, &#8220;Opinions Differ on Shape of the Earth.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Responsible journalism requires at least a cursory effort to determine the facts of the matter.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dawkins_coyne05/dawkins_coyne05_index.html">Here</a> Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne discuss how this he said-she said practice has been exploited by evolution denialists. They say, &#8220;evolution is wrong&#8221;. Then when scientists say, &#8220;no, it isn&#8217;t&#8221;, they say, &#8220;see, there&#8217;s a controversy. You must teach (and report) both sides.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course this couldn&#8217;t happen in other contexts&#8230; could it?</p>
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		<title>By: jimmythespiv</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/10/he-said-she-said-part-two/#comment-119310</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmythespiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick

Even worse is when &quot;he said, she said&quot; journalists call a public official, senior adviser etc etc with a prepackaged &quot;he said&quot; sort of comment that they want the person to say.  Rather thanasking  a penetrating question displaying knowledge of the subject matterthe journalist sets up a sentence along the lines of senior government officials say X in relation to Y.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick</p>
<p>Even worse is when &#8220;he said, she said&#8221; journalists call a public official, senior adviser etc etc with a prepackaged &#8220;he said&#8221; sort of comment that they want the person to say.  Rather thanasking  a penetrating question displaying knowledge of the subject matterthe journalist sets up a sentence along the lines of senior government officials say X in relation to Y.</p>
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