Comments on: Missing Link: YHBT. YHL. HAND. http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:30:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: John Surname http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120937 John Surname Thu, 24 May 2007 06:45:12 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120937 Nice work Jason. Unfortunately, Kevin Rudd is yet to adopt my slogan, but there may be t-shirts on the way. You know how much the kids love t-shirts. Groovy. Nice work Jason. Unfortunately, Kevin Rudd is yet to adopt my slogan, but there may be t-shirts on the way. You know how much the kids love t-shirts.

Groovy.

]]> By: Bannerman http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120708 Bannerman Wed, 23 May 2007 03:02:24 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120708 I actually thought the post on N90AM was more exciting that the racing. I actually thought the post on N90AM was more exciting that the racing.

]]> By: Campaign Slogans « The Blog of Fleeced http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120680 Campaign Slogans « The Blog of Fleeced Tue, 22 May 2007 22:06:22 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120680 [...] May 23, 2007 Posted by Fleeced in Election, Politics, Humour. trackback This recent post got me thinking about campaign slogans for the ALP (Australian Labor Party) - but then I thought, [...] [...] May 23, 2007 Posted by Fleeced in Election, Politics, Humour. trackback This recent post got me thinking about campaign slogans for the ALP (Australian Labor Party) - but then I thought, [...]

]]> By: pommygranate http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120623 pommygranate Tue, 22 May 2007 10:34:15 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120623 2 links? thanks SL! 2 links? thanks SL!

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120597 skepticlawyer Tue, 22 May 2007 05:25:07 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120597 That's quite a disturbing talent you've got there, Jason ;) That’s quite a disturbing talent you’ve got there, Jason ;)

]]> By: Jason Soon http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120595 Jason Soon Tue, 22 May 2007 04:46:56 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120595 <blockquote>Any campaign slogan suggestions from Missing Link readers??</blockquote> Well there's a little boy waitin' at the counter of a corner shop He's been waitin' down there, waitin' half the day They never ever seem to have the time He gets pushed around, knocked to the ground He gets to his feet and he says [camera pans to Kevin Rudd dressed as a schoolboy, wiping his nose, adjusting his specs after getting up off the floor and singing ...] "What About me, it isn't fair I've had enough now I want my share Can't you see? I wanna live! But you just take more than you give..."

Any campaign slogan suggestions from Missing Link readers??

Well there’s a little boy waitin’ at the counter of a corner shop

He’s been waitin’ down there, waitin’ half the day

They never ever seem to have the time

He gets pushed around, knocked to the ground

He gets to his feet and he says

[camera pans to Kevin Rudd dressed as a schoolboy, wiping his nose, adjusting his specs after getting up off the floor and singing ...]

“What About me, it isn’t fair

I’ve had enough now I want my share

Can’t you see? I wanna live!

But you just take more than you give…”

]]> By: Fleeced http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120593 Fleeced Tue, 22 May 2007 04:40:29 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120593 <em>Any campaign slogan suggestions from Missing Link readers??</em> How about this? "Aww, c'mon... give us a go!" or "ALP: Because it's <em>our</em> turn" Any campaign slogan suggestions from Missing Link readers??

How about this? “Aww, c’mon… give us a go!” or “ALP: Because it’s our turn”

]]> By: saint http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120488 saint Mon, 21 May 2007 14:00:51 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120488 Thanks again one and all for the link fest. The source and reason for the values questions would be worth more investigation. I've been looking at www.immi.gov.au and www.citizenship.gov.au for any comment and I am not finding any...nothing on ministers websites so far either. Either News Ltd got it wrong (they definitely cited exclusive access) or government is lying...and I also recall a TV item on this where they were asking people on the street. Mind you given that the questions are dodgy...first prime minister was the subject of an ad, the head of state/republican debate, unaustralian...I am leaning towards a media stunt. Thanks again one and all for the link fest. The source and reason for the values questions would be worth more investigation. I’ve been looking at http://www.immi.gov.au and http://www.citizenship.gov.au for any comment and I am not finding any…nothing on ministers websites so far either.

Either News Ltd got it wrong (they definitely cited exclusive access) or government is lying…and I also recall a TV item on this where they were asking people on the street.

Mind you given that the questions are dodgy…first prime minister was the subject of an ad, the head of state/republican debate, unaustralian…I am leaning towards a media stunt.

]]> By: Jacques Chester http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120474 Jacques Chester Mon, 21 May 2007 11:52:17 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120474 <blockquote>Once again there have been some technical kafups for our subscribers (apparently the last edition was also affected). We are working on it!</blockquote> I still need some more volunteers to test my fix for the visible tags glitch. See here: http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-problems/

Once again there have been some technical kafups for our subscribers (apparently the last edition was also affected). We are working on it!

I still need some more volunteers to test my fix for the visible tags glitch. See here:

http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-problems/

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120473 skepticlawyer Mon, 21 May 2007 11:47:02 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120473 The citizenship test thing really got it going, Ken. I actually think there's a story in there, and that just for once Ozblogistan has played a part in breaking it. The citizenship test thing really got it going, Ken. I actually think there’s a story in there, and that just for once Ozblogistan has played a part in breaking it.

]]> By: Ken Parish http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120472 Ken Parish Mon, 21 May 2007 11:43:28 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120472 BTW this edition turned out very meaty as usual. I was worried this morning it was looking a bit skinny. Just shows you. Thanks Helen. BTW this edition turned out very meaty as usual. I was worried this morning it was looking a bit skinny. Just shows you. Thanks Helen.

]]> By: Ken Parish http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120470 Ken Parish Mon, 21 May 2007 11:41:27 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120470 Fixed. Fixed.

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120469 skepticlawyer Mon, 21 May 2007 11:40:37 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120469 Sorry Tigtog. Will fix. I'm not having a good debugging night, I see :( Sorry Tigtog. Will fix. I’m not having a good debugging night, I see :(

]]> By: tigtog http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120466 tigtog Mon, 21 May 2007 11:34:49 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120466 Thanks for the link, Troppos! It's a bit bung but. http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=577 Thanks for the link, Troppos! It’s a bit bung but.

http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=577

]]> By: Jacques Chester http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120464 Jacques Chester Mon, 21 May 2007 11:30:30 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120464 <blockquote>I think it’s Club Troppo who’s been trolled on this one.</blockquote> Ask not for whom the Hun trolls, it trolls for thee!

I think it’s Club Troppo who’s been trolled on this one.

Ask not for whom the Hun trolls, it trolls for thee!

]]> By: skepticlawyer http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120461 skepticlawyer Mon, 21 May 2007 11:24:58 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120461 JQ: whatever's happening, it's very sus. To be frank I don't know what's up, or who's lying, but there's clearly fudging somewhere along the line, especially with the Govt stating that the newspaper devised the questions. The paper is still relying on 'strong implications'. Legalled perhaps? As Andrew Bartlett says, this may have to wait for Senate Estimates. Apologies for forgetting JQ and Gandhi's posts. I'll pop the links in now. JQ: whatever’s happening, it’s very sus. To be frank I don’t know what’s up, or who’s lying, but there’s clearly fudging somewhere along the line, especially with the Govt stating that the newspaper devised the questions. The paper is still relying on ’strong implications’. Legalled perhaps? As Andrew Bartlett says, this may have to wait for Senate Estimates.

Apologies for forgetting JQ and Gandhi’s posts. I’ll pop the links in now.

]]> By: John Quiggin http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120456 John Quiggin Mon, 21 May 2007 11:13:23 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120456 I take it back. The story quotes Andrews as saying that the questions were devised by the Herald-Sun. On the other hand, if News is making it up, they are digging a deep pit for themselves. This followup story http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21753675-662,00.html implies very strongly that the paper has access to a pool of questions under consideration by the government. Even for the Murdoch press, it's hard to believe they would quote readers condeming questions they had invented themselves. I take it back. The story quotes Andrews as saying that the questions were devised by the Herald-Sun. On the other hand, if News is making it up, they are digging a deep pit for themselves. This followup story http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21753675-662,00.html
implies very strongly that the paper has access to a pool of questions under consideration by the government. Even for the Murdoch press, it’s hard to believe they would quote readers condeming questions they had invented themselves.

]]> By: Vanessa http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120455 Vanessa Mon, 21 May 2007 11:06:02 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120455 You are right. Giggling at dodgy album covers never gets old. I'm glad it's not just me who appreciates the extra sharp vintage cheddar qualities of such a collection. More to come. Many, many more... Thanks again for the link :) You are right. Giggling at dodgy album covers never gets old. I’m glad it’s not just me who appreciates the extra sharp vintage cheddar qualities of such a collection. More to come. Many, many more…

Thanks again for the link :)

]]> By: John Quiggin http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120453 John Quiggin Mon, 21 May 2007 11:03:49 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120453 The Reuters story as quoted lets News Ltd off the hook. They described them as "sample questions", and the Reuters story supports the view that they were supplied by the government, which then used the fact that no final decision had been made to disclaim its own trial balloon. I think it's Club Troppo who's been trolled on this one. The Reuters story as quoted lets News Ltd off the hook. They described them as “sample questions”, and the Reuters story supports the view that they were supplied by the government, which then used the fact that no final decision had been made to disclaim its own trial balloon. I think it’s Club Troppo who’s been trolled on this one.

]]> By: gandhi http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120447 gandhi Mon, 21 May 2007 10:50:57 +0000 http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/05/21/missing-link-yhbt-yhl-hand/#comment-120447 What's a blogger gotta do do get some visibility? <blockquote>Next, sundry bloggers, led by the redoubtable Irfan Yusuf and followed by Legal Eagle, Larvatus Prodeo, Catallaxy, Andrew Norton, Club Troppo, Tim Dunlop and Andrew Bartlett dissected some of the sillier questions. </blockquote> I know Club Troppo does it's best, but I actually posted about this "Values Test" within hours of the story breaking on <a href="http://howardout.blogspot.com/2007/05/living-values.html" rel="nofollow">Thursday afternooon</a> (and the post was linked at Bryan's Oz Politics feed). Irfan Yusuf's Saturday post incorrectly says the sample questions were posted on Friday. But actually, a Reuters story at 2:14 am Canberra time specified that the Minister said these were only sample questions and "the government had not yet decided the questions to go into the citizenship test". So much of the outrage could have been avoided if media sources like ABC had checked with the source, as Reuters' man did, rather than blindly trusting everything that comes from News Ltd. Of course, even as sample questions, these were ridiculous nonsense. I think Andrew Bartlett's analysis is right: this was a dog whistle designed to stir up trouble. Howard's mob can't even get that right these days. Where's Alan Jones when you need him, eh? What’s a blogger gotta do do get some visibility?
Next, sundry bloggers, led by the redoubtable Irfan Yusuf and followed by Legal Eagle, Larvatus Prodeo, Catallaxy, Andrew Norton, Club Troppo, Tim Dunlop and Andrew Bartlett dissected some of the sillier questions.

I know Club Troppo does it’s best, but I actually posted about this “Values Test” within hours of the story breaking on Thursday afternooon (and the post was linked at Bryan’s Oz Politics feed).

Irfan Yusuf’s Saturday post incorrectly says the sample questions were posted on Friday. But actually, a Reuters story at 2:14 am Canberra time specified that the Minister said these were only sample questions and “the government had not yet decided the questions to go into the citizenship test”. So much of the outrage could have been avoided if media sources like ABC had checked with the source, as Reuters’ man did, rather than blindly trusting everything that comes from News Ltd.

Of course, even as sample questions, these were ridiculous nonsense. I think Andrew Bartlett’s analysis is right: this was a dog whistle designed to stir up trouble. Howard’s mob can’t even get that right these days. Where’s Alan Jones when you need him, eh?

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