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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-129758</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Price does give off the impression he&#039;s a bit like a techie hangin around out the back of the concert not far from the green room, and then has a stab at a diary of sorts.  But mostly it&#039;s more fun just hangin out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Price does give off the impression he&#8217;s a bit like a techie hangin around out the back of the concert not far from the green room, and then has a stab at a diary of sorts.  But mostly it&#8217;s more fun just hangin out.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-129381</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inndeed. If you think what MPs tell you in the tearoom is all you need to kow about an issue, clearly you aren&#039;t taking it very seriously at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inndeed. If you think what MPs tell you in the tearoom is all you need to kow about an issue, clearly you aren&#8217;t taking it very seriously at all.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-129225</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But Priceys a Dylan man. One expects more.&lt;/i&gt;

Manipulator of crowds, you&#039;re a dream twister. Actually, strikes me as a guy who doesn&#039;t take the whole thing too seriously, which is probably wise. Don&#039;t think twice, it&#039;s all right, jokerman. I have to thank one of his recent columns for prompting me to have a big REM session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Priceys a Dylan man. One expects more.</i></p>
<p>Manipulator of crowds, you&#8217;re a dream twister. Actually, strikes me as a guy who doesn&#8217;t take the whole thing too seriously, which is probably wise. Don&#8217;t think twice, it&#8217;s all right, jokerman. I have to thank one of his recent columns for prompting me to have a big REM session.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128812</link>
		<dc:creator>Rockie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Price and I see him every day at work is a gibbering and I mean loudly, audibly, gibbering ijit. He is a fruitcake. He does good grammar though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Price and I see him every day at work is a gibbering and I mean loudly, audibly, gibbering ijit. He is a fruitcake. He does good grammar though.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128809</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Pricey&#039;s a Dylan man.  One expects more. 

I agree the ABC would be more likely to do the story but their self-interest and the commercials are aligned on this one.   In fact, they may have more invested, as an organisation,  since they do alot more talking head politcal class chattery.  

It would be a cracker though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Pricey&#8217;s a Dylan man.  One expects more. </p>
<p>I agree the ABC would be more likely to do the story but their self-interest and the commercials are aligned on this one.   In fact, they may have more invested, as an organisation,  since they do alot more talking head politcal class chattery.  </p>
<p>It would be a cracker though.</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128611</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, I guess all that merely amounts to the political class gratuitously trading in attitudes, which might be worth something if it didn&#039;t also happen to align with News Ltd&#039;s editorial stance. Re your earlier comment, I agree that there is no hope and little point in any arm of the commercial media taking the story up, given the incestuous relationship. This is a job for the ABC. 

The Mumble link is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mumble.com.au/misc/200706013_crikeygalax.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, I guess all that merely amounts to the political class gratuitously trading in attitudes, which might be worth something if it didn&#8217;t also happen to align with News Ltd&#8217;s editorial stance. Re your earlier comment, I agree that there is no hope and little point in any arm of the commercial media taking the story up, given the incestuous relationship. This is a job for the ABC. </p>
<p>The Mumble link is <a href="http://www.mumble.com.au/misc/200706013_crikeygalax.htm">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128600</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments at &lt;a&gt;Mumble&lt;/a&gt; regarding the Galaxy poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments at <a>Mumble</a> regarding the Galaxy poll.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a bit of back and forth in the comments to Matt Price&#039;s piece today. Its about 13 pages of comments now so I don&#039;t recommend you wade through it.  

He said the unions were &quot;making Rudd&#039;s job tougher&quot;, I asked what the evidence of that was in terms of real peoples&#039; percetions (not just neg media coverage).    He said some Labor MPs in the cafateria at Parl Haus told him so.  I said that wasn&#039;t very good evidence on the actual views of the electorate and the affect of those views if any on  voting intentions.  He said that was  &quot;a lot of blah&quot; and I should &quot;go to university and get a PhD&quot; if I wanted those questions answered.   HA!

My naive notions of the serious media devoted to keeping the public informed of the imporrtant issues, beyond the tired generalisations, has been dashed!  Crushing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a bit of back and forth in the comments to Matt Price&#8217;s piece today. Its about 13 pages of comments now so I don&#8217;t recommend you wade through it.  </p>
<p>He said the unions were &#8220;making Rudd&#8217;s job tougher&#8221;, I asked what the evidence of that was in terms of real peoples&#8217; percetions (not just neg media coverage).    He said some Labor MPs in the cafateria at Parl Haus told him so.  I said that wasn&#8217;t very good evidence on the actual views of the electorate and the affect of those views if any on  voting intentions.  He said that was  &#8220;a lot of blah&#8221; and I should &#8220;go to university and get a PhD&#8221; if I wanted those questions answered.   HA!</p>
<p>My naive notions of the serious media devoted to keeping the public informed of the imporrtant issues, beyond the tired generalisations, has been dashed!  Crushing!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128488</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Id have thought this was core business for Media Watch, instead of spelling mistakes or doctored photos from the Wangaratta Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Id have thought this was core business for Media Watch, instead of spelling mistakes or doctored photos from the Wangaratta Times.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/14/an-urgent-job-for-4-corners/#comment-128473</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is why isn&#039;t the research used by Porteous and co up on their website ? Morgan pins theirs on the web each Friday afternoon.  Are the Courious Snail journos working on the results to cook up next weeks news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is why isn&#8217;t the research used by Porteous and co up on their website ? Morgan pins theirs on the web each Friday afternoon.  Are the Courious Snail journos working on the results to cook up next weeks news?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine back in uni days has a pt job phone polling for one of the major players. I recall her telling everyone proudly that she doctored the results on uranium mining. She said she wasn&#039;t going to let some right wing jerks from the eastern suburbs make it appear that Australian supported uranium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine back in uni days has a pt job phone polling for one of the major players. I recall her telling everyone proudly that she doctored the results on uranium mining. She said she wasn&#8217;t going to let some right wing jerks from the eastern suburbs make it appear that Australian supported uranium.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give &#039;em a call and ask &#039;em.

http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/contact.html
Initial enquiries should be made to either 
Chris Lonergan, Rob Keller or Kylie Newcombe. 

Phone: 02 8572 6800
Fax: 02 8572 6820

Galaxy Research
1-3 Derwent St 
GLEBE NSW 2037

Just up the road from me, I could pop over in my lunch break.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/behind.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why wouldn&#039;t you trust such wacky funsters?&lt;/a&gt;


But really, I think there&#039;s too much self-interest at stake for anyone in the media to have a hard look at the poll fetish.   How  would they know what to talk about otherwise?    The talking heads have the poll two-step down pat : note sagely that we should take polls with a pich of salt, then talk sagely as if this morning&#039;s was genuinely important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give &#8216;em a call and ask &#8216;em.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/contact.html">http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/contact.html</a><br />
Initial enquiries should be made to either<br />
Chris Lonergan, Rob Keller or Kylie Newcombe. </p>
<p>Phone: 02 8572 6800<br />
Fax: 02 8572 6820</p>
<p>Galaxy Research<br />
1-3 Derwent St<br />
GLEBE NSW 2037</p>
<p>Just up the road from me, I could pop over in my lunch break.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.galaxyresearch.com.au/behind.html">Why wouldn&#8217;t you trust such wacky funsters?</a></p>
<p>But really, I think there&#8217;s too much self-interest at stake for anyone in the media to have a hard look at the poll fetish.   How  would they know what to talk about otherwise?    The talking heads have the poll two-step down pat : note sagely that we should take polls with a pich of salt, then talk sagely as if this morning&#8217;s was genuinely important.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more, and was holding exactly the same concerns and thoughts.

These Galaxy polls - and their presentation (rather, insinuation) into public discourse - were too cute by half.

Getting personal, the boss of the Galaxy Poll business was interviewed albeit briefly on television recently and, looking at him, the word trust didn&#039;t immediately come to mind.

But what a temptation that business must be.  Release results which alter public discourse and steer the whole thing in a new direction, over new ground, repairing against pitfalls - surely the effects of all of that has a dollar value?  

And given the position the LNP were in, what price a Galaxy Poll (released in The Telegraph for goodness sake - think trust?) to create those effects just when needed.  What price for that?

Cynical?  You bet. And speaking of betting - which is no distant cousin to this polling thing - it&#039;s not as if there&#039;s cause to rely on a squeaky clean history in that regard.  No, it&#039;s just common sense to want to peel open the polling can of worms and see what&#039;s cooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, and was holding exactly the same concerns and thoughts.</p>
<p>These Galaxy polls &#8211; and their presentation (rather, insinuation) into public discourse &#8211; were too cute by half.</p>
<p>Getting personal, the boss of the Galaxy Poll business was interviewed albeit briefly on television recently and, looking at him, the word trust didn&#8217;t immediately come to mind.</p>
<p>But what a temptation that business must be.  Release results which alter public discourse and steer the whole thing in a new direction, over new ground, repairing against pitfalls &#8211; surely the effects of all of that has a dollar value?  </p>
<p>And given the position the LNP were in, what price a Galaxy Poll (released in The Telegraph for goodness sake &#8211; think trust?) to create those effects just when needed.  What price for that?</p>
<p>Cynical?  You bet. And speaking of betting &#8211; which is no distant cousin to this polling thing &#8211; it&#8217;s not as if there&#8217;s cause to rely on a squeaky clean history in that regard.  No, it&#8217;s just common sense to want to peel open the polling can of worms and see what&#8217;s cooking.</p>
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