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	<title>Comments on: Why oh why?</title>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/20/why-oh-why/#comment-137315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thoughts exactly Nicholas. If Howard wins the next election he&#039;ll be the greatest politician in the history of the English-speaking peoples, still younger than John McCain who hasn&#039;t even started his run for high office yet, still younger than St Ronnie Reagan who single-handedly won the Cold War and saved us from Communist annihilation, and the only way he&#039;ll leave Kirribilli House is feet first.

Christian Kerr is just another oracle wannabe pretending he can read the future by joining other pundits in the latest &#039;insights&#039; to reinforce the perception that they are, like, in the know, you know. Two more gems from yesterday&#039;s piece:

&quot;This could finally spell the end of the honeymoon ...&quot;

What, another end? But wait, not only is it the end of the honeymoon:

&quot;This might be the beginning of the end for the Labor leader.&quot;

Yep ... all because he accidentally left behind some notes at a function.

File under &#039;Meaningless drivel&#039;. My word that folder&#039;s getting big!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts exactly Nicholas. If Howard wins the next election he&#8217;ll be the greatest politician in the history of the English-speaking peoples, still younger than John McCain who hasn&#8217;t even started his run for high office yet, still younger than St Ronnie Reagan who single-handedly won the Cold War and saved us from Communist annihilation, and the only way he&#8217;ll leave Kirribilli House is feet first.</p>
<p>Christian Kerr is just another oracle wannabe pretending he can read the future by joining other pundits in the latest &#8216;insights&#8217; to reinforce the perception that they are, like, in the know, you know. Two more gems from yesterday&#8217;s piece:</p>
<p>&#8220;This could finally spell the end of the honeymoon &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What, another end? But wait, not only is it the end of the honeymoon:</p>
<p>&#8220;This might be the beginning of the end for the Labor leader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep &#8230; all because he accidentally left behind some notes at a function.</p>
<p>File under &#8216;Meaningless drivel&#8217;. My word that folder&#8217;s getting big!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/20/why-oh-why/#comment-136603</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas, I&#039;m with you on the uncertainties. 

When things are uncertain, who can say what will hold, and what won&#039;t, electorally?

I want very much to understand these words:

&lt;i&gt;There is a complete disconnect between what is largely a speculation, which even if true would become just one factor in a situation with many things going on, and the air of incontrovertability that he invests his statement with. A disconnect between the body language with which he wants to invest his utterance - one of inconvertibility - and the nature of the speculation hes offering which is anything but incontrovertable.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve tried several times to receive what seems a push, and context, and come up with in response to that questions and ideas. This is in respect of many of your other writings.

Can I share a thought, meanwhile?  What power of conviction?  Or, even, seemingly so?  Sit around (personally) a table, and spoken words become absolved into another language - one I imagine might be missing from the blogosphere - wherewith words of seeming conviction may become portals into something else and may speak of askance, or fear. 

Let me take some time, to receive your thoughts again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas, I&#8217;m with you on the uncertainties. </p>
<p>When things are uncertain, who can say what will hold, and what won&#8217;t, electorally?</p>
<p>I want very much to understand these words:</p>
<p><i>There is a complete disconnect between what is largely a speculation, which even if true would become just one factor in a situation with many things going on, and the air of incontrovertability that he invests his statement with. A disconnect between the body language with which he wants to invest his utterance &#8211; one of inconvertibility &#8211; and the nature of the speculation hes offering which is anything but incontrovertable.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried several times to receive what seems a push, and context, and come up with in response to that questions and ideas. This is in respect of many of your other writings.</p>
<p>Can I share a thought, meanwhile?  What power of conviction?  Or, even, seemingly so?  Sit around (personally) a table, and spoken words become absolved into another language &#8211; one I imagine might be missing from the blogosphere &#8211; wherewith words of seeming conviction may become portals into something else and may speak of askance, or fear. </p>
<p>Let me take some time, to receive your thoughts again.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/20/why-oh-why/#comment-136559</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, 

You say that &quot;behind Kerrs statement is a feeling the larger portion of the electorate has grown tired of Howard.&quot;  Well that is probably true (though it&#039;s far from clear - it happens to be the sound bite&lt;i&gt; du jour&lt;/i&gt;.  But even if it is true how in God&#039;s name does that make his position &#039;untenable&#039;.  For his position to be untenable and self evidently so one would have to show that no-one was elected when &#039;the larger portion of the population has grown tired of them&#039;. Churchill, Adenaur, Thomas Playford.  I mean really it&#039;s ridiculous.  

As I tried to say said in my comment I have nothing (in particular that is) against Kerr&#039;s general feelings on the matter - though they&#039;re not much more worth listening to than anyone else&#039;s.  There is a complete disconnect between what is largely a speculation, which even if true would become just one factor in a situation with many things going on, and the air of incontrovertability that he invests his statement with.  A disconnect between the body language with which he wants to invest his utterance - one of inconvertibility - and the nature of the speculation he&#039;s offering which is anything but incontrovertable. 

If you want punditocracy from me on the subject you raise, I&#039;d say that a bold switch to someone like Turnbull might do the trick for the Liberals - that the electorate are showing voting intentions against Howard rather than for Rudd, but that people don&#039;t like Costello and switching to him wouldn&#039;t be a good move for the Libs.  But who knows?  The thing is you can&#039;t get that much from what people say - because many of them don&#039;t know themselves till they step into that ballot box!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, </p>
<p>You say that &#8220;behind Kerrs statement is a feeling the larger portion of the electorate has grown tired of Howard.&#8221;  Well that is probably true (though it&#8217;s far from clear &#8211; it happens to be the sound bite<i> du jour</i>.  But even if it is true how in God&#8217;s name does that make his position &#8216;untenable&#8217;.  For his position to be untenable and self evidently so one would have to show that no-one was elected when &#8216;the larger portion of the population has grown tired of them&#8217;. Churchill, Adenaur, Thomas Playford.  I mean really it&#8217;s ridiculous.  </p>
<p>As I tried to say said in my comment I have nothing (in particular that is) against Kerr&#8217;s general feelings on the matter &#8211; though they&#8217;re not much more worth listening to than anyone else&#8217;s.  There is a complete disconnect between what is largely a speculation, which even if true would become just one factor in a situation with many things going on, and the air of incontrovertability that he invests his statement with.  A disconnect between the body language with which he wants to invest his utterance &#8211; one of inconvertibility &#8211; and the nature of the speculation he&#8217;s offering which is anything but incontrovertable. </p>
<p>If you want punditocracy from me on the subject you raise, I&#8217;d say that a bold switch to someone like Turnbull might do the trick for the Liberals &#8211; that the electorate are showing voting intentions against Howard rather than for Rudd, but that people don&#8217;t like Costello and switching to him wouldn&#8217;t be a good move for the Libs.  But who knows?  The thing is you can&#8217;t get that much from what people say &#8211; because many of them don&#8217;t know themselves till they step into that ballot box!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/20/why-oh-why/#comment-136310</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what you&#039;re unhappy about here, Nicholas.  Is it about being tired of the &#039;Howard is invincible&#039; concept trotted out, or that it&#039;s continually trotted out, or that it&#039;s possible and thereby valid Howard could be seen as invincible having won five elections?

Christian Kerr made some very interesting observations of Rudd at Crikey, and I agree with his suggestions that Costello and the Lib&#039;s have to decide during the break what to do about their leadership.

At any rate, my guess is that behind Kerr&#039;s statement is a feeling the larger portion of the electorate has grown tired of Howard. 

I know you&#039;re not given to puntidocracy, sensibly, but care to have a gaze into the yonder, Nicholas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what you&#8217;re unhappy about here, Nicholas.  Is it about being tired of the &#8216;Howard is invincible&#8217; concept trotted out, or that it&#8217;s continually trotted out, or that it&#8217;s possible and thereby valid Howard could be seen as invincible having won five elections?</p>
<p>Christian Kerr made some very interesting observations of Rudd at Crikey, and I agree with his suggestions that Costello and the Lib&#8217;s have to decide during the break what to do about their leadership.</p>
<p>At any rate, my guess is that behind Kerr&#8217;s statement is a feeling the larger portion of the electorate has grown tired of Howard. </p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re not given to puntidocracy, sensibly, but care to have a gaze into the yonder, Nicholas?</p>
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