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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-146883</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,
In my understanding double jeopardy is that absolute (although SL or another lawyer may contradict).
I brought up the ICC as, again, from my non-lawyer understanding, they may be able to try someone found not guilty in Australia of a war crime if the trial was a clear farce and just for show.
Can&#039;t see it happening here, but, from memory, that is about the only way to overcome the double jeopardy problem.
The in the UK they have partially abandoned this in very limited circumstances - but that is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,<br />
In my understanding double jeopardy is that absolute (although SL or another lawyer may contradict).<br />
I brought up the ICC as, again, from my non-lawyer understanding, they may be able to try someone found not guilty in Australia of a war crime if the trial was a clear farce and just for show.<br />
Can&#8217;t see it happening here, but, from memory, that is about the only way to overcome the double jeopardy problem.<br />
The in the UK they have partially abandoned this in very limited circumstances &#8211; but that is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145934</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yes, that raised an eyebrow over here too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yes, that raised an eyebrow over here too.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Posters</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145832</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Andrew Landeryou has a nuanced post&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not likely.

Not clicking through to check, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Andrew Landeryou has a nuanced post</p></blockquote>
<p>Not likely.</p>
<p>Not clicking through to check, either.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisPer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145675</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisPer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Howard&#039;s invasion of aboriginal protection functions can be compared to his success with Gun laws? 

- It provided a whopping precedent for Federal meddling in State powers, including threats of referenda and withdrawal of funding for unrelated state services.  
- The huge chorus of approval from the media and most Australians surely helped build Howard&#039;s belief in a &#039;crash through&#039; strategy when he thinks he is doing something right.
- It is a moral outrage issue, and forces antagonists to choose &#039;the side of the angels&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Howard&#8217;s invasion of aboriginal protection functions can be compared to his success with Gun laws? </p>
<p>- It provided a whopping precedent for Federal meddling in State powers, including threats of referenda and withdrawal of funding for unrelated state services.<br />
- The huge chorus of approval from the media and most Australians surely helped build Howard&#8217;s belief in a &#8216;crash through&#8217; strategy when he thinks he is doing something right.<br />
- It is a moral outrage issue, and forces antagonists to choose &#8216;the side of the angels&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145555</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure that double jeopardy is that absolute, and it would be incredible for someone found not guilty in Australia to be tried before the ICC - as I understand they would have no jurisdiction at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that double jeopardy is that absolute, and it would be incredible for someone found not guilty in Australia to be tried before the ICC &#8211; as I understand they would have no jurisdiction at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145499</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely, given the concept of double jeopardy it is, at law, quite a bit stronger than that. Once someone is found &quot;not guilty&quot; of a crime, not only is the presumption of innocence retained but that person is now in a position unlike anyone else. Not only are they now presumed innocent but they are in the unique position of it not being legally possible that they will be prosecuted for and then found guilty of that particular crime - ever*.
As far as legal findings go, this is the gold standard and puts the person found &quot;not guilty&quot; in a &lt;em&gt;better&lt;/em&gt; position than the rest of us.
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* at least for crimes committed in Australia that do not amount to crimes under the jurisdiction of the ICC - but this is a little out of the scope of this discussion and I will leave that for SL to pick up if she so chooses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, given the concept of double jeopardy it is, at law, quite a bit stronger than that. Once someone is found &#8220;not guilty&#8221; of a crime, not only is the presumption of innocence retained but that person is now in a position unlike anyone else. Not only are they now presumed innocent but they are in the unique position of it not being legally possible that they will be prosecuted for and then found guilty of that particular crime &#8211; ever*.<br />
As far as legal findings go, this is the gold standard and puts the person found &#8220;not guilty&#8221; in a <em>better</em> position than the rest of us.<br />
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* at least for crimes committed in Australia that do not amount to crimes under the jurisdiction of the ICC &#8211; but this is a little out of the scope of this discussion and I will leave that for SL to pick up if she so chooses.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145485</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think another source of confusion is that the press is fond of the formulation &#039;the accused maintains his innocence&#039;, and the defense counsel also often uses the term for rhetorical effect. So it&#039;s easy for the lay person to forget that the jury is not being asked to determine whether the accused is innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think another source of confusion is that the press is fond of the formulation &#8216;the accused maintains his innocence&#8217;, and the defense counsel also often uses the term for rhetorical effect. So it&#8217;s easy for the lay person to forget that the jury is not being asked to determine whether the accused is innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-145407</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo! You&#039;ve got it, Damien. The &#039;presumption of innocence&#039; is most frequently wheeled out these days to prevent trial by media, which - in light of James&#039; excellent media post at the top of the blog - is sadly all too common.

It&#039;s used during the trial for the most part because the jury has no handed down its verdict. The &#039;presumptions&#039;, such as they are, then change. But yes, to a non-lawyer a not guilty verdict can look like an affirmation of innocence.

Thanks for your good wishes, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo! You&#8217;ve got it, Damien. The &#8216;presumption of innocence&#8217; is most frequently wheeled out these days to prevent trial by media, which &#8211; in light of James&#8217; excellent media post at the top of the blog &#8211; is sadly all too common.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s used during the trial for the most part because the jury has no handed down its verdict. The &#8216;presumptions&#8217;, such as they are, then change. But yes, to a non-lawyer a not guilty verdict can look like an affirmation of innocence.</p>
<p>Thanks for your good wishes, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Eldridge</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-144390</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Eldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL, thinking about it further, it seems to me that there are two separate issues here. First, clearly if the standard is beyond reasonable doubt, then when someone is found not guilty, it simply means that the jury could not be convoinced that they were almost surely guilty of the crime. It may be the case that they were innocent or it may be the case that they were guilty but there was insufficient evidence to establisah this with a sufficient degree of confidence. We also know that, despite the use of a standard that is biased towards non-conviction, it is sometimes the case that innocent people are found guilty. Nonetheless, despite the possibility of mistakes, if someone is found not guilty, it seems to me that from a legal point of view they are considered to be innocent. If not, then the presumption of innocence until someone is proven guilty in a court of law would appear to be violated.

By the way, all the best for when you head overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL, thinking about it further, it seems to me that there are two separate issues here. First, clearly if the standard is beyond reasonable doubt, then when someone is found not guilty, it simply means that the jury could not be convoinced that they were almost surely guilty of the crime. It may be the case that they were innocent or it may be the case that they were guilty but there was insufficient evidence to establisah this with a sufficient degree of confidence. We also know that, despite the use of a standard that is biased towards non-conviction, it is sometimes the case that innocent people are found guilty. Nonetheless, despite the possibility of mistakes, if someone is found not guilty, it seems to me that from a legal point of view they are considered to be innocent. If not, then the presumption of innocence until someone is proven guilty in a court of law would appear to be violated.</p>
<p>By the way, all the best for when you head overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: MorningDude</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-144235</link>
		<dc:creator>MorningDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Federal government is very bad at handling big ticket departments and tactical planning for them (look at Defence). Their large bureaucracy makes them very inefficient and even though there are many faults in the Federal/State sharing arrangements it would not take a lot to make it work better. The States are much better at the on the ground administration of big ticket items but not the budgetary side of it nor the strategic planning. So an arrangement of the Feds controlling the purse strings and the States administering the programs can work very well.

Notice that the Howard government doesn&#039;t want to take over education or health (but does want them run them on their ideological framework), yet they do want to take over IR and infrastructure etc, why? Simple, everything the Feds want to take from the States are money makers, but everything they want to leave to the states are big money losers (because of their very nature). So the Feds support the private side of these entities but deliberately under fund the public side. If they could the Feds would have no hesitation on lumping the States with Defence and then under fund that as well, which btw Howard does anyway though you would think he doesn&#039;t by the way he spins it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal government is very bad at handling big ticket departments and tactical planning for them (look at Defence). Their large bureaucracy makes them very inefficient and even though there are many faults in the Federal/State sharing arrangements it would not take a lot to make it work better. The States are much better at the on the ground administration of big ticket items but not the budgetary side of it nor the strategic planning. So an arrangement of the Feds controlling the purse strings and the States administering the programs can work very well.</p>
<p>Notice that the Howard government doesn&#8217;t want to take over education or health (but does want them run them on their ideological framework), yet they do want to take over IR and infrastructure etc, why? Simple, everything the Feds want to take from the States are money makers, but everything they want to leave to the states are big money losers (because of their very nature). So the Feds support the private side of these entities but deliberately under fund the public side. If they could the Feds would have no hesitation on lumping the States with Defence and then under fund that as well, which btw Howard does anyway though you would think he doesn&#8217;t by the way he spins it.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbie Jay</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-143751</link>
		<dc:creator>Arbie Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guido

Re Abbott proposing to take over Health, the states have asked Abbott to take over health on more than one occasion but Abbot and Howard have declined the offer. If Abbott took over health he would not have the states to blame and would have to take full responsiblity for any problems with the health system.
The government took over industrial relations to implement Work Choices, they are trying to take over the rivers to show they have a plan for water resources.
Howard is attempting a take over of aboriginal affairs for short term political purposes, he can blame the states for all the problems yet does not have to accept blame for any failures as the elction will be over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido</p>
<p>Re Abbott proposing to take over Health, the states have asked Abbott to take over health on more than one occasion but Abbot and Howard have declined the offer. If Abbott took over health he would not have the states to blame and would have to take full responsiblity for any problems with the health system.<br />
The government took over industrial relations to implement Work Choices, they are trying to take over the rivers to show they have a plan for water resources.<br />
Howard is attempting a take over of aboriginal affairs for short term political purposes, he can blame the states for all the problems yet does not have to accept blame for any failures as the elction will be over.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-143566</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johng:

&quot;Labor have seen the trap and are not responding and Howard is showing some frustration. He clearly wants a fight. His negative response to Beatties sensible proposal for a COAG meeting to coordinate action and plan for the medium and long term also shows he is not really interested in solutions but is after a political objective.&quot;

I also think this.  In fact this seems to extend a strategy from Howard to use the states, as being all Labor as a way of getting back to the Federal ALP.  Howard seems to use any connection, being a union official or a state, however tenous to criticise Labor.

This also seems to show a shift in the politics of Australia.  My memory of the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s was that the Federal Government would take on the states at its peril.  Any perception of taking over states&#039; rights would have created a big backlash, even from premiers of the same political party.

But again with the Murray Darling and now this, it seems that takeovers of Federal Government of States responsibilites (and remember that Tony Abbot proposed to take over health as well?)are normal.  And this from a party that traditionally was the defender of States&#039; rights unlike &#039;centralist&#039; Labor.

The common belief is that are states which are most remote from Canberra where the anti-Federal interference feeling is strongest.

It will be intersting how this issue will play in states like Western Australia.  Alan Carpernter has alreay stated his opinions about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johng:</p>
<p>&#8220;Labor have seen the trap and are not responding and Howard is showing some frustration. He clearly wants a fight. His negative response to Beatties sensible proposal for a COAG meeting to coordinate action and plan for the medium and long term also shows he is not really interested in solutions but is after a political objective.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also think this.  In fact this seems to extend a strategy from Howard to use the states, as being all Labor as a way of getting back to the Federal ALP.  Howard seems to use any connection, being a union official or a state, however tenous to criticise Labor.</p>
<p>This also seems to show a shift in the politics of Australia.  My memory of the 1970&#8242;s and 1980&#8242;s was that the Federal Government would take on the states at its peril.  Any perception of taking over states&#8217; rights would have created a big backlash, even from premiers of the same political party.</p>
<p>But again with the Murray Darling and now this, it seems that takeovers of Federal Government of States responsibilites (and remember that Tony Abbot proposed to take over health as well?)are normal.  And this from a party that traditionally was the defender of States&#8217; rights unlike &#8216;centralist&#8217; Labor.</p>
<p>The common belief is that are states which are most remote from Canberra where the anti-Federal interference feeling is strongest.</p>
<p>It will be intersting how this issue will play in states like Western Australia.  Alan Carpernter has alreay stated his opinions about it.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-143366</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accused persons are entitled to the presumption of innocence, but the Crown has to leap through various hoops in order to bring a matter to trial. The traditional test concerns &#039;a reasonable jury, properly instructed&#039;. 

Indeed, in the Hurley matter the defence made a no-case submission on a &lt;i&gt;voir dire&lt;/i&gt; (in the absence of the jury), but it was rejected by Justice Dutney. The core of a no-case submission is that a reasonable jury, properly instructed, would be unable to find the accused guilty.

When a jury finds the accused &#039;not guilty&#039;, it means that the Crown has been unable to discharge the burden of proof to the requisite standard (&#039;beyond reasonable doubt&#039; in a criminal trial). As the matter has already been brought to trial, it is not for the jury to make findings beyond those of either &#039;guilty&#039; or &#039;not guilty&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accused persons are entitled to the presumption of innocence, but the Crown has to leap through various hoops in order to bring a matter to trial. The traditional test concerns &#8216;a reasonable jury, properly instructed&#8217;. </p>
<p>Indeed, in the Hurley matter the defence made a no-case submission on a <i>voir dire</i> (in the absence of the jury), but it was rejected by Justice Dutney. The core of a no-case submission is that a reasonable jury, properly instructed, would be unable to find the accused guilty.</p>
<p>When a jury finds the accused &#8216;not guilty&#8217;, it means that the Crown has been unable to discharge the burden of proof to the requisite standard (&#8216;beyond reasonable doubt&#8217; in a criminal trial). As the matter has already been brought to trial, it is not for the jury to make findings beyond those of either &#8216;guilty&#8217; or &#8216;not guilty&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: MorningDude</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-143299</link>
		<dc:creator>MorningDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johng you raise a very valid point which is borne out by two comments made by Howard.

The first the night before last in response to Labor&#039;s full bipartisanship response; &quot;I find Labor&#039;s response puzzling.&quot;

The second came last night in his ludicrous speech trying to compare the supposed disaster of the NT Aboriginal communities as being a slow Cyclone Katrina without the hand of God, thus requiring a similar emergency response from the government. Howard stated on Labor&#039;s bipartisan unqualified support (except for accountability and quantifiability) &quot;Labor can&#039;t have it both ways.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johng you raise a very valid point which is borne out by two comments made by Howard.</p>
<p>The first the night before last in response to Labor&#8217;s full bipartisanship response; &#8220;I find Labor&#8217;s response puzzling.&#8221;</p>
<p>The second came last night in his ludicrous speech trying to compare the supposed disaster of the NT Aboriginal communities as being a slow Cyclone Katrina without the hand of God, thus requiring a similar emergency response from the government. Howard stated on Labor&#8217;s bipartisan unqualified support (except for accountability and quantifiability) &#8220;Labor can&#8217;t have it both ways.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Eldridge</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142687</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien Eldridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t people presumed to be innocent until they are found guilty in a court of law? (Or is that only in the US or on tv?) If so, then  it would seem that he should still be presumed to be innocent, since he was not found guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t people presumed to be innocent until they are found guilty in a court of law? (Or is that only in the US or on tv?) If so, then  it would seem that he should still be presumed to be innocent, since he was not found guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: johng</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142489</link>
		<dc:creator>johng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think tigtog is right that this is a Tampa trap attempt. This is shown by the unnecessary, unhelpful and draconian provisions in the Howard proposal (though there are good aspects in parts of the proposal). Labor have seen the trap and are not responding and Howard is showing some frustration. He clearly wants a fight. His negative response to Beattie&#039;s sensible proposal for a COAG meeting to coordinate action and plan for the medium and long term also shows he is not really interested in solutions but is after a political objective.  
Still some poorly motivated actions can have good effects. 
The public servants in FACSIA and PM&amp;C will certainly be strenuously attempting to make a flawed proposal work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think tigtog is right that this is a Tampa trap attempt. This is shown by the unnecessary, unhelpful and draconian provisions in the Howard proposal (though there are good aspects in parts of the proposal). Labor have seen the trap and are not responding and Howard is showing some frustration. He clearly wants a fight. His negative response to Beattie&#8217;s sensible proposal for a COAG meeting to coordinate action and plan for the medium and long term also shows he is not really interested in solutions but is after a political objective.<br />
Still some poorly motivated actions can have good effects.<br />
The public servants in FACSIA and PM&amp;C will certainly be strenuously attempting to make a flawed proposal work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bahnisch</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142364</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bahnisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an observation, which holds I think regardless of your view on the Howard &quot;state of emergency&quot;, but I think blogs (and Crikey) have been at the forefront of discussing the practical problems with the measures announced, while the mainstream media coverage has been useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observation, which holds I think regardless of your view on the Howard &#8220;state of emergency&#8221;, but I think blogs (and Crikey) have been at the forefront of discussing the practical problems with the measures announced, while the mainstream media coverage has been useless.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142285</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally Ken or I would edit, but Ken&#039;s been flat-out and I was recovering from the Hurley trial.

Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally Ken or I would edit, but Ken&#8217;s been flat-out and I was recovering from the Hurley trial.</p>
<p>Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142276</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;...a mainstay of Australian bogdom.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not all that certain Quiggan would appreciate that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>&#8230;a mainstay of Australian bogdom.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not all that certain Quiggan would appreciate that one.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142232</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone got in with the lawyerly pedantry before me, I see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone got in with the lawyerly pedantry before me, I see.</p>
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		<title>By: Stumblng Tumblr</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/06/25/missing-link-missing-no-more/#comment-142187</link>
		<dc:creator>Stumblng Tumblr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John Quiggin does not criticise the finding that Sargeant Hurley is innocent....&quot;

There was no such finding. Instead, there was a finding that he was not guilty, which is quite a different thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;John Quiggin does not criticise the finding that Sargeant Hurley is innocent&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>There was no such finding. Instead, there was a finding that he was not guilty, which is quite a different thing.</p>
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