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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-150076</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Like Ken I have been inveigled in marking all week - fortunately over now - there's nothing more depressing than reading the same mistakes 100 times over - didn't get around to checking out the comments thread till now. Marking. Blargh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Like Ken I have been inveigled in marking all week - fortunately over now - there&#8217;s nothing more depressing than reading the same mistakes 100 times over - didn&#8217;t get around to checking out the comments thread till now. Marking. Blargh.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-150072</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you guys for the nice comments!

LE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you guys for the nice comments!</p>
<p>LE</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149574</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that feedback, Kieran.</description>
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		<title>By: Kieran Bennett</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149565</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think its a great credit to this site and the Missing Like team that Kieran names this site as the site with the most reasoned discussion, and that its put smack in the middle of the political spectrum (slightly to the left in Crikey and slightly to the right at Kieran’s).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Club Troppo appears to have a higher proportion of well though out, original and informative posts.

Tim Blair offers little other than a comment designed to start a (rather predictable) "discussion" and Andrew Landeryou is more flashing images than substance. This is only in my oh so subjective opinion.

Sear and Leftwrites are of course both on the left, but Sear is a lot more tongue in cheek/sarcastic. I think the Crikey scale confused this with strength of conviction, equating the tone of the posts about left issues on Leftwrites with centrism.

I feel Troppo has marginally less fluff than John Q (with the never ending open discussion threads) and LP. Catallaxy is usually very reasoned and informative about their topic of choice, but occasionally there is a post which I get the feeling is designed to do little more than start a new pointless stoush.

In my own blog I use the word "I" a lot, and I feel that the broader world relevance of a post has an inverse correlation with the use of the word "I". :-D

None of this in any way entails a judgement about the value of various blogging endeavours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think its a great credit to this site and the Missing Like team that Kieran names this site as the site with the most reasoned discussion, and that its put smack in the middle of the political spectrum (slightly to the left in Crikey and slightly to the right at Kieran’s).</p></blockquote>
<p>Club Troppo appears to have a higher proportion of well though out, original and informative posts.</p>
<p>Tim Blair offers little other than a comment designed to start a (rather predictable) &#8220;discussion&#8221; and Andrew Landeryou is more flashing images than substance. This is only in my oh so subjective opinion.</p>
<p>Sear and Leftwrites are of course both on the left, but Sear is a lot more tongue in cheek/sarcastic. I think the Crikey scale confused this with strength of conviction, equating the tone of the posts about left issues on Leftwrites with centrism.</p>
<p>I feel Troppo has marginally less fluff than John Q (with the never ending open discussion threads) and LP. Catallaxy is usually very reasoned and informative about their topic of choice, but occasionally there is a post which I get the feeling is designed to do little more than start a new pointless stoush.</p>
<p>In my own blog I use the word &#8220;I&#8221; a lot, and I feel that the broader world relevance of a post has an inverse correlation with the use of the word &#8220;I&#8221;. <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>None of this in any way entails a judgement about the value of various blogging endeavours.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149306</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ken.</description>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149296</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, I almost posted the same thing you did.  

Maybe someone is interested, but I'm sure they can find their way to the blogs concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, I almost posted the same thing you did.  </p>
<p>Maybe someone is interested, but I&#8217;m sure they can find their way to the blogs concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149281</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim

May I suggest you pop over and debate this at Catallaxy (where SL is one of the principals).  I felt you had a fair point in the first place, which is why I linked your response in the main ML text.  But to be blunt, I don't think this sort of interpersonal squabble is even remotely interesting for most readers.  The idea of Missing Link is to publicise interesting posts from all around the blogosphere, so that readers can then trot off to blogs that interest them and join in the discussion there.  The object certainly isn't to attract spillover Catallaxy squabbles to be continued here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim</p>
<p>May I suggest you pop over and debate this at Catallaxy (where SL is one of the principals).  I felt you had a fair point in the first place, which is why I linked your response in the main ML text.  But to be blunt, I don&#8217;t think this sort of interpersonal squabble is even remotely interesting for most readers.  The idea of Missing Link is to publicise interesting posts from all around the blogosphere, so that readers can then trot off to blogs that interest them and join in the discussion there.  The object certainly isn&#8217;t to attract spillover Catallaxy squabbles to be continued here.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149265</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair call, Jacques. I've got stuff to do just now, but will be back a bit later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair call, Jacques. I&#8217;ve got stuff to do just now, but will be back a bit later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149263</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL, why won't you answer my question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL, why won&#8217;t you answer my question?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149261</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd rather leave it open and edit comments for now. Deleting comments just tends to mess things up and closing threads tends to drive people to mess up other threads. However if it gets out of hand we can revisit the option of freezing, deleting or placing people in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather leave it open and edit comments for now. Deleting comments just tends to mess things up and closing threads tends to drive people to mess up other threads. However if it gets out of hand we can revisit the option of freezing, deleting or placing people in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149257</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can close off the thread if you like, Jacques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can close off the thread if you like, Jacques.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149256</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, I don't consider you statist based on commenters at your blog. I consider you statist based on your policy positions on the environment and environmentalism generally. Jason's view (in so far as I can speak for another person) is similar. I think that's a hat you'd normally be happy to wear, too, although you'd probably want to call it something like 'social democracy' or 'legitimate regulation'. 

As should be reasonably obvious from Catallaxy's spot on both Crikey's and Kieran's graphics, I'm likely to disagree with you on that. I don't think excessive state regulation works very well, either with regard to civil liberties &lt;i&gt;or&lt;/i&gt; the environment.

Now I haven't followed this particular stoush as closely as I might (it's called a dayjob), and - unlike Ken - I don't like the way you made the piece over at your place all about you, rather than about the issue (which was, ahem, the War on Terror). Obviously - as Ken's comment shows - there's room for disagreement on that point, and that's fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I don&#8217;t consider you statist based on commenters at your blog. I consider you statist based on your policy positions on the environment and environmentalism generally. Jason&#8217;s view (in so far as I can speak for another person) is similar. I think that&#8217;s a hat you&#8217;d normally be happy to wear, too, although you&#8217;d probably want to call it something like &#8217;social democracy&#8217; or &#8216;legitimate regulation&#8217;. </p>
<p>As should be reasonably obvious from Catallaxy&#8217;s spot on both Crikey&#8217;s and Kieran&#8217;s graphics, I&#8217;m likely to disagree with you on that. I don&#8217;t think excessive state regulation works very well, either with regard to civil liberties <i>or</i> the environment.</p>
<p>Now I haven&#8217;t followed this particular stoush as closely as I might (it&#8217;s called a dayjob), and - unlike Ken - I don&#8217;t like the way you made the piece over at your place all about you, rather than about the issue (which was, ahem, the War on Terror). Obviously - as Ken&#8217;s comment shows - there&#8217;s room for disagreement on that point, and that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please avoid making possibly defamatory comments on this thread. If you want to get nasty, go home to your own blogs. After this warning I will begin editing and/or removing comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please avoid making possibly defamatory comments on this thread. If you want to get nasty, go home to your own blogs. After this warning I will begin editing and/or removing comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149248</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149248</guid>
		<description>SL, I asked you: "Do you think that it is right to attribute to the blog owner comments posted at their blog by other people?"

If it's not too much trouble, do you think you could answer my question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL, I asked you: &#8220;Do you think that it is right to attribute to the blog owner comments posted at their blog by other people?&#8221;</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s not too much trouble, do you think you could answer my question?</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149240</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Kieran comes by to comment on his grid. I liked it from the get-go, think that it's a useful metric and also wonder where he'd put a few of the other bloggers lauredhel mentions.

WRT to polite discussion - and just to show we Missing Linkers aren't some sort of hivemind - I'll point out that I respectfully disagree with Ken on the whole Tim/Jason thing. That said, I should have linked Tim's piece in the main body of Missing Link and let the two stoushes/stoushees speak for themselves.

Also, I don't mind if people 'linkwhore' in Missing Link threads, or pop links worthy of interest in the Catallaxy open thread. Legal Eagle has already invited people to do likewise over at her place. Yes, the ML team reviews lots of blogs, but that's no substitute for the eagle eyes of Australian blogland generally. If you see something good, do tell us about it. We may never know otherwise.

And yes, Legal Eagle is a treasure. I'm very glad she's on the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Kieran comes by to comment on his grid. I liked it from the get-go, think that it&#8217;s a useful metric and also wonder where he&#8217;d put a few of the other bloggers lauredhel mentions.</p>
<p>WRT to polite discussion - and just to show we Missing Linkers aren&#8217;t some sort of hivemind - I&#8217;ll point out that I respectfully disagree with Ken on the whole Tim/Jason thing. That said, I should have linked Tim&#8217;s piece in the main body of Missing Link and let the two stoushes/stoushees speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t mind if people &#8216;linkwhore&#8217; in Missing Link threads, or pop links worthy of interest in the Catallaxy open thread. Legal Eagle has already invited people to do likewise over at her place. Yes, the ML team reviews lots of blogs, but that&#8217;s no substitute for the eagle eyes of Australian blogland generally. If you see something good, do tell us about it. We may never know otherwise.</p>
<p>And yes, Legal Eagle is a treasure. I&#8217;m very glad she&#8217;s on the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Soon</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Soon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mention of Tim Lambert *was* light-hearted. 

The term 'LamBird' and the concept behind it wasn't coined by me but by Humphreys. Why is Lambert only making a big issue of it now just because I decided to apply it to anti-terrorism laws? 

There was no 'abuse' of Tim in my original post - the only thing I directly attributed to his person was 'two well known Ozblogistan commentators and advocates of big government' - this is the only thing that I implied Lambert had in common with Bird, contrary to Ken's dishonest implication that I was saying they were akin in all other respects. The rest of the mention of Lambert is merely my reproducing bits of John Humphrey's original blogpost to set the background for the idea. 

It was never intended to be an inter-blog war post as Lambert keeps insisting.

I didn't get annoyed until he started showing up and making an issue out of it and detailing the thread and what he calls 'abuse' was in the comments in response to his constant spamming. 


But if this is the only way the little pope  can get his pathetic 15 mins of fame, so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mention of Tim Lambert *was* light-hearted. </p>
<p>The term &#8216;LamBird&#8217; and the concept behind it wasn&#8217;t coined by me but by Humphreys. Why is Lambert only making a big issue of it now just because I decided to apply it to anti-terrorism laws? </p>
<p>There was no &#8216;abuse&#8217; of Tim in my original post - the only thing I directly attributed to his person was &#8216;two well known Ozblogistan commentators and advocates of big government&#8217; - this is the only thing that I implied Lambert had in common with Bird, contrary to Ken&#8217;s dishonest implication that I was saying they were akin in all other respects. The rest of the mention of Lambert is merely my reproducing bits of John Humphrey&#8217;s original blogpost to set the background for the idea. </p>
<p>It was never intended to be an inter-blog war post as Lambert keeps insisting.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get annoyed until he started showing up and making an issue out of it and detailing the thread and what he calls &#8216;abuse&#8217; was in the comments in response to his constant spamming. </p>
<p>But if this is the only way the little pope  can get his pathetic 15 mins of fame, so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149238</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TL: I just think it's amusing that you [snip] feel able to lecture anyone on online behaviour. You're not exactly Mr Ethics, mate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[This post has been edited]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TL: I just think it&#8217;s amusing that you [snip] feel able to lecture anyone on online behaviour. You&#8217;re not exactly Mr Ethics, mate.</p>
<p>[This post has been edited]</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149222</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If anyone cares...."

I'd be surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If anyone cares&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiasco da Gama</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149221</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiasco da Gama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pssssht. That's not a battle.
&lt;a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/07/dutch-screw-ups.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is a blog dispute worthy of the name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pssssht. That&#8217;s not a battle.<br />
<a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/07/dutch-screw-ups.html" >This</a> is a blog dispute worthy of the name.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/03/missing-link-3-july-2007/#comment-149215</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Blair writes: "Secure your valuables! Lambert’s in the room!"

Now here's someone who &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; needs to lighten up.  I took the mickey out of Blair something like a couple of years ago and he's &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; carrying on about it.  Let go, Tim B.  All that anger can't be good for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Blair writes: &#8220;Secure your valuables! Lambert’s in the room!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s someone who <em>really</em> needs to lighten up.  I took the mickey out of Blair something like a couple of years ago and he&#8217;s <em>still</em> carrying on about it.  Let go, Tim B.  All that anger can&#8217;t be good for you.</p>
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