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	<title>Comments on: Knocked up &#8211; see it if you want some really good light entertainment</title>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/18/knocked-up-see-it-if-you-want-some-really-good-light-entertainment/#comment-218248</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.

But. Portrayal of individuals presenting the opposing sides is not nothing, given the fact that we&#039;re talking about a film here, not a random event in reality. The director and writer portrays things a certain way for a reason.

The forced-birth movement in the US is simply too powerful for an American moviemaker to make a film sympathetic to a woman choosing an abortion. They&#039;d simply be crucified, and be a box office flop. But, to be fair, as I&#039;ve said they need the pregnancy to go ahead in order to have a plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.</p>
<p>But. Portrayal of individuals presenting the opposing sides is not nothing, given the fact that we&#8217;re talking about a film here, not a random event in reality. The director and writer portrays things a certain way for a reason.</p>
<p>The forced-birth movement in the US is simply too powerful for an American moviemaker to make a film sympathetic to a woman choosing an abortion. They&#8217;d simply be crucified, and be a box office flop. But, to be fair, as I&#8217;ve said they need the pregnancy to go ahead in order to have a plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/18/knocked-up-see-it-if-you-want-some-really-good-light-entertainment/#comment-217867</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, do you think it is possible that they weren&#039;t hints?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, do you think it is possible that they weren&#8217;t hints?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the two Howevers in that comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the two Howevers in that comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/07/18/knocked-up-see-it-if-you-want-some-really-good-light-entertainment/#comment-217549</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Heigl had had an abortion, = no plot, hence no film. However, we do have to stretch our credibility a little to believe Heigl deciding to have the slacker guy&#039;s baby. However, I did notice the subtle hints which you might have missed: was it a coincidence that Heigl&#039;s mum was the one wanting her to have an abortion &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; she was portrayed as a tragic, cold, botoxed, selfish old caricature. Whereas Slacker&#039;s dad, who would rather they carried the pregnancy to term, was portrayed as warm, human, lovable.

The film didn&#039;t delve into the issue far enough to come out as clear pro- or anti-, but the stereotypes made the message loud and clear, at least to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Heigl had had an abortion, = no plot, hence no film. However, we do have to stretch our credibility a little to believe Heigl deciding to have the slacker guy&#8217;s baby. However, I did notice the subtle hints which you might have missed: was it a coincidence that Heigl&#8217;s mum was the one wanting her to have an abortion <i>and</i> she was portrayed as a tragic, cold, botoxed, selfish old caricature. Whereas Slacker&#8217;s dad, who would rather they carried the pregnancy to term, was portrayed as warm, human, lovable.</p>
<p>The film didn&#8217;t delve into the issue far enough to come out as clear pro- or anti-, but the stereotypes made the message loud and clear, at least to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes BG, Infuriating that the film is regarded as anti-abortion.  It shows someone wanting to keep their baby.  No angst, no moralising about the subject whatsoever.  If anything it would have been more realistic - and still not anti-abortion if it had contained that.  But then that&#039;s the logic of (a certain conception of) political action - any admission of alternatives is to be anathematised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes BG, Infuriating that the film is regarded as anti-abortion.  It shows someone wanting to keep their baby.  No angst, no moralising about the subject whatsoever.  If anything it would have been more realistic &#8211; and still not anti-abortion if it had contained that.  But then that&#8217;s the logic of (a certain conception of) political action &#8211; any admission of alternatives is to be anathematised.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yobbo! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buffyholt.com/blog/wp-content/thumb-OprahWinfrey.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This chick&lt;/a&gt; just called me! She&#039;s got the hots for young libertarians in the north of Australia, and she wants your number!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yobbo! <a href="http://www.buffyholt.com/blog/wp-content/thumb-OprahWinfrey.jpg">This chick</a> just called me! She&#8217;s got the hots for young libertarians in the north of Australia, and she wants your number!</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tis a splendid film, isnt it? Though Heigl is so ludicrously skinny its hard to imagine her being pregnant at first.&quot;

Is it fashionable to like fat chicks or something now?

http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Katherine-Heigl/Katherine-Heigl-16.JPG

How is Katherine Heigl skinny? If anything she&#039;s one of the more built actresses getting around.

Stop pandering to womynists and grow a sack TimT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tis a splendid film, isnt it? Though Heigl is so ludicrously skinny its hard to imagine her being pregnant at first.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it fashionable to like fat chicks or something now?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Katherine-Heigl/Katherine-Heigl-16.JPG">http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Katherine-Heigl/Katherine-Heigl-16.JPG</a></p>
<p>How is Katherine Heigl skinny? If anything she&#8217;s one of the more built actresses getting around.</p>
<p>Stop pandering to womynists and grow a sack TimT.</p>
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		<title>By: Backroom Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backroom Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks TimT - and do the pro-choice lobby really need to wonder why so many people think they are pro-abortion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks TimT &#8211; and do the pro-choice lobby really need to wonder why so many people think they are pro-abortion?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t see it as anti-abortion - it was clearly mentioned that it was an option she was considering. 

I found it very funny - and very crass! And I think it put back  my plans on having kiddies a good five years with the crowning scene. Eeeeeeegggggghk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see it as anti-abortion &#8211; it was clearly mentioned that it was an option she was considering. </p>
<p>I found it very funny &#8211; and very crass! And I think it put back  my plans on having kiddies a good five years with the crowning scene. Eeeeeeegggggghk.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, BG. Here are two examples: 

http://newsblaze.com/story/20070627085656tsop.nb/topstory.html

http://www.prochoicemaryland.org/politicalupdates/press/200706111.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, BG. Here are two examples: </p>
<p><a href="http://newsblaze.com/story/20070627085656tsop.nb/topstory.html">http://newsblaze.com/story/20070627085656tsop.nb/topstory.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.prochoicemaryland.org/politicalupdates/press/200706111.shtml">http://www.prochoicemaryland.org/politicalupdates/press/200706111.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Backroom Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backroom Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to seeing it sometime soon, with the 15 year old daughter once she has recovered from the current bout of Pottermania.  I was interested to hear Judd Apatow say that he has had some flak from pro-choice groups in the US, who see it as an anti-abortion film.  That is, to portray anyone choosing to proceed with a pregnancy when abortion is clearly the sensible option must mean that you are anti-abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing it sometime soon, with the 15 year old daughter once she has recovered from the current bout of Pottermania.  I was interested to hear Judd Apatow say that he has had some flak from pro-choice groups in the US, who see it as an anti-abortion film.  That is, to portray anyone choosing to proceed with a pregnancy when abortion is clearly the sensible option must mean that you are anti-abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: TimT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Tis a splendid film, isn&#039;t it? Though Heigl is so ludicrously skinny it&#039;s hard to imagine her being pregnant at first. 

The Troppo quote for today - &#039;To hold a pen is to be at war&#039; - at first read to me like this: 

&#039;To hold a penis, to be at war.&#039; 

Perhaps they&#039;re not so different after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Tis a splendid film, isn&#8217;t it? Though Heigl is so ludicrously skinny it&#8217;s hard to imagine her being pregnant at first. </p>
<p>The Troppo quote for today &#8211; &#8216;To hold a pen is to be at war&#8217; &#8211; at first read to me like this: </p>
<p>&#8216;To hold a penis, to be at war.&#8217; </p>
<p>Perhaps they&#8217;re not so different after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just came back from &lt;em&gt;Transformers&lt;/em&gt; myself. It was chockers full of crunchy geek goodness. I couldn&#039;t take my eyes off Megan Fox, but then, neither did the director.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came back from <em>Transformers</em> myself. It was chockers full of crunchy geek goodness. I couldn&#8217;t take my eyes off Megan Fox, but then, neither did the director.</p>
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