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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-168439</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacques, as for it not increasing... I don&#039;t know about adults but with teens... well... I recently met someone whose 17 year old daughter lost 2 friends to suicide in 6 months. Her whole group had a hard time dealing with the first - then the second happened. Then her friends started cutting themselves and she started too.

This is stuff we (I&#039;m in my late 30s) didn&#039;t have to deal with at all as teens &#8212; how to react when your mates committed suicide or started cutting themselves. I asked my 18 year old daughter &quot;But &lt;strong&gt;why&lt;/strong&gt;?&quot; And she said &quot;Depression.&quot; (Her 18 year old boyfriend suffers from depression, as does his mother, so it&#039;s something she is familiar with.) I said (about the other girl and her friends) &quot;What - all of them?&quot; And my daughter looked at me very seriously and said &quot;Yes.&quot;

Whether we understand it or not, kids today are living in a different world with different pressures to that in which we lived and I think as parents we will never really understand (because what teen is really open with their parent?) but it&#039;s frightening. I think the more it&#039;s brought into the open, definitely the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques, as for it not increasing&#8230; I don&#8217;t know about adults but with teens&#8230; well&#8230; I recently met someone whose 17 year old daughter lost 2 friends to suicide in 6 months. Her whole group had a hard time dealing with the first &#8211; then the second happened. Then her friends started cutting themselves and she started too.</p>
<p>This is stuff we (I&#8217;m in my late 30s) didn&#8217;t have to deal with at all as teens &#8212; how to react when your mates committed suicide or started cutting themselves. I asked my 18 year old daughter &#8220;But <strong>why</strong>?&#8221; And she said &#8220;Depression.&#8221; (Her 18 year old boyfriend suffers from depression, as does his mother, so it&#8217;s something she is familiar with.) I said (about the other girl and her friends) &#8220;What &#8211; all of them?&#8221; And my daughter looked at me very seriously and said &#8220;Yes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whether we understand it or not, kids today are living in a different world with different pressures to that in which we lived and I think as parents we will never really understand (because what teen is really open with their parent?) but it&#8217;s frightening. I think the more it&#8217;s brought into the open, definitely the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sephy's Platzish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167806</link>
		<dc:creator>Sephy's Platzish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This was the Week that Was, Vol. 9...&lt;/strong&gt;

This week, I have some great posts for y&#039;all, and I&#039;ve added quite a few blogs about blogging to my Google Reader. It&#039;s all a part of the week that was...Posts I liked - Club Troppo&#039;s Jacques posts a ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This was the Week that Was, Vol. 9&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This week, I have some great posts for y&#8217;all, and I&#8217;ve added quite a few blogs about blogging to my Google Reader. It&#8217;s all a part of the week that was&#8230;Posts I liked &#8211; Club Troppo&#8217;s Jacques posts a &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own experience is partly outlined at &lt;a href=&quot;http://chester.id.au/2004/12/02/diaries-revisited/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my little blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experience is partly outlined at <a href="http://chester.id.au/2004/12/02/diaries-revisited/">my little blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167786</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicki;

That&#039;s another good story and it squares with my experiences also. Depression is a rotten disease, but thank goodness it&#039;s treatable. You would be amazed who has, who has had it and who can get it.

He correctly identifies one of the really insidious things about depression: that it removes the will to be cured. I&#039;ve been suicidally depressed, but it just crept up on me slowly. One by one the ways of getting out seemingly became impossible and suicide just seemed like the obvious way out.

That&#039;s pretty scary if you think about it. I am lucky to be alive in some ways. If you feel depressed, SEEK TREATMENT. You are not alone. You don&#039;t have to cry or hate yourself or hate everyone else or just lie in bed or consider what, if anything, to write in a suicide note. Get help. Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicki;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another good story and it squares with my experiences also. Depression is a rotten disease, but thank goodness it&#8217;s treatable. You would be amazed who has, who has had it and who can get it.</p>
<p>He correctly identifies one of the really insidious things about depression: that it removes the will to be cured. I&#8217;ve been suicidally depressed, but it just crept up on me slowly. One by one the ways of getting out seemingly became impossible and suicide just seemed like the obvious way out.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty scary if you think about it. I am lucky to be alive in some ways. If you feel depressed, SEEK TREATMENT. You are not alone. You don&#8217;t have to cry or hate yourself or hate everyone else or just lie in bed or consider what, if anything, to write in a suicide note. Get help. Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167776</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you may find this post (by the developer of the StyleMaster CSS software) interesting and/or helpful:

http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2006/09/depression_in_t.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you may find this post (by the developer of the StyleMaster CSS software) interesting and/or helpful:</p>
<p><a href="http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2006/09/depression_in_t.html">http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/2006/09/depression_in_t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don&#039;t think it&#039;s increasing. I think it is being more widely diagnosed. There is a crucial difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s increasing. I think it is being more widely diagnosed. There is a crucial difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167704</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But given its increasing prevalence and the fact that it makes people really unfit in an evolutionary sense&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not necessarily. Selection pressure applies up to the point of reproduction only, after that it loses its punch. Depression comes and goes and so reproduction can take place anyhow, so the gene passes through.

Genes being the spaghetti code they are, it may also be linked to some positively-selected trait. Lots of smart people seem to get depressed, for example. The neurochemistry of intelligence may work at cross-purposes with that of emotional stability.

And so on. In evolution it is common to see genes which &quot;should&quot; be selected against surviving, simply because selection pressure is not strongly biased or because other benefits are conferred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But given its increasing prevalence and the fact that it makes people really unfit in an evolutionary sense</p></blockquote>
<p>Not necessarily. Selection pressure applies up to the point of reproduction only, after that it loses its punch. Depression comes and goes and so reproduction can take place anyhow, so the gene passes through.</p>
<p>Genes being the spaghetti code they are, it may also be linked to some positively-selected trait. Lots of smart people seem to get depressed, for example. The neurochemistry of intelligence may work at cross-purposes with that of emotional stability.</p>
<p>And so on. In evolution it is common to see genes which &#8220;should&#8221; be selected against surviving, simply because selection pressure is not strongly biased or because other benefits are conferred.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-167666</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that depression is generally utterly beyond the control of the sufferer and that the immediate cause is always a chemical problem in the brain that can usually be helped, and sometimes even cured, by medication.  And having had someone near and dear to me have their life ruined by it I know it can be utterly devastating.

But given its increasing prevalence and the fact that it makes people really unfit in an evolutionary sense (and therefore is unlikely to be mainly genetic), I  wonder about its genesis.  Maybe there&#039;s an unknown childhood infection that&#039;s responsible (some scientists believe these cause many more problems in later life than they are given credit for - we didn&#039;t see the effects as much in past centuries because they used to kill their hosts more often).  Or maybe it&#039;s something about our lifestyles.  I dunno but it really is a puzzle - humans weren&#039;t built to live or die this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that depression is generally utterly beyond the control of the sufferer and that the immediate cause is always a chemical problem in the brain that can usually be helped, and sometimes even cured, by medication.  And having had someone near and dear to me have their life ruined by it I know it can be utterly devastating.</p>
<p>But given its increasing prevalence and the fact that it makes people really unfit in an evolutionary sense (and therefore is unlikely to be mainly genetic), I  wonder about its genesis.  Maybe there&#8217;s an unknown childhood infection that&#8217;s responsible (some scientists believe these cause many more problems in later life than they are given credit for &#8211; we didn&#8217;t see the effects as much in past centuries because they used to kill their hosts more often).  Or maybe it&#8217;s something about our lifestyles.  I dunno but it really is a puzzle &#8211; humans weren&#8217;t built to live or die this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/17/depression-from-the-inside/#comment-166438</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravely stated. Rest assured, Jacques, we&#039;re not alone by a long chalk, Sadly it seems modern life is becoming a breeding ground for imbalances of brain chemistry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravely stated. Rest assured, Jacques, we&#8217;re not alone by a long chalk, Sadly it seems modern life is becoming a breeding ground for imbalances of brain chemistry.</p>
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