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	<title>Comments on: You little ripper &#8211; a public service bleg</title>
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		<title>By: Pedantic Bastard</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-176602</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedantic Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What I (and perhaps other Troppodillians) am... (should this word be are?)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. The trick is to avoid the clash in the first place. If you must have the parentheses, consider instead:&#039;(perhaps like other Troppodillians)&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I (and perhaps other Troppodillians) am&#8230; (should this word be are?)</p></blockquote>
<p>No. The trick is to avoid the clash in the first place. If you must have the parentheses, consider instead:&#8217;(perhaps like other Troppodillians)&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mules</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175814</link>
		<dc:creator>Mules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you use winamp to play the stream you can use the Streamripper plug-in to record it as mp3. It is the easiest one I have used. Or WM recorder to recorder it from Windows Media Recorder.

Thanks to the link to Audacity, may have to give that a go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you use winamp to play the stream you can use the Streamripper plug-in to record it as mp3. It is the easiest one I have used. Or WM recorder to recorder it from Windows Media Recorder.</p>
<p>Thanks to the link to Audacity, may have to give that a go.</p>
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		<title>By: invig</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175695</link>
		<dc:creator>invig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 08:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol reminder appreciated though the high end of geek town is perhaps a little further than my intellectual taxi fare will take me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol reminder appreciated though the high end of geek town is perhaps a little further than my intellectual taxi fare will take me.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175659</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 07:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>invig - if you are geeking it up at the high end of audio town may I remind you the audio purist&#039;s burner of choice is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feurio.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feurio&lt;/a&gt;. Also free (more technically shareware with a small nag screen bother)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>invig &#8211; if you are geeking it up at the high end of audio town may I remind you the audio purist&#8217;s burner of choice is <a href="http://www.feurio.com/">Feurio</a>. Also free (more technically shareware with a small nag screen bother)</p>
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		<title>By: invig</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175456</link>
		<dc:creator>invig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez i&#039;m crap at the stuff. Stand down everyone, my bad, no conspiracy.

You just download the .zip file rather than .gz file and its all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez i&#8217;m crap at the stuff. Stand down everyone, my bad, no conspiracy.</p>
<p>You just download the .zip file rather than .gz file and its all good.</p>
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		<title>By: invig</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175451</link>
		<dc:creator>invig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WARNING 

I think there is something weird going on with Gzip (which you need to unlock the LAME encoder for EAC). It installs but then does not create an executable file, while other versions do nothing at all.

Is there a reason to be concerned here? Could GNU no longer be safe.

Worried, any help appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING </p>
<p>I think there is something weird going on with Gzip (which you need to unlock the LAME encoder for EAC). It installs but then does not create an executable file, while other versions do nothing at all.</p>
<p>Is there a reason to be concerned here? Could GNU no longer be safe.</p>
<p>Worried, any help appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: invig</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175365</link>
		<dc:creator>invig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas, you&#039;d think so but it does seem to function as a drop-in replacement without any frigging around (the bit rate is just a sound quality thing).

Nevertheless, I bow to FXH&#039;s far-superior insight on these matters (and thank him profusely for putting me back in touch with EAC - I used to use it but had forgotten what it was called and was unable to download it after a hard drive wipe)

So, I change my recommendation to Exact Audio Copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas, you&#8217;d think so but it does seem to function as a drop-in replacement without any frigging around (the bit rate is just a sound quality thing).</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I bow to FXH&#8217;s far-superior insight on these matters (and thank him profusely for putting me back in touch with EAC &#8211; I used to use it but had forgotten what it was called and was unable to download it after a hard drive wipe)</p>
<p>So, I change my recommendation to Exact Audio Copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-175292</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, the &#039;am&#039; was correctly singular since if the sentence didn&#039;t read grammatically without the brackets then you should not have had the brackets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, the &#8216;am&#8217; was correctly singular since if the sentence didn&#8217;t read grammatically without the brackets then you should not have had the brackets.</p>
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		<title>By: Australian Values</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174968</link>
		<dc:creator>Australian Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some reason, this put us in mind of the Nicholas and Jacques over at Club [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some reason, this put us in mind of the Nicholas and Jacques over at Club [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alexm</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174961</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total Recorder has an add-on for AVI files (most streaming video is available in this as an alternative).  It appears you have to have the Professional ($US40) or Developer ($US100) versions of Total Recorder as well as stumping up $US40 for the AVI add-on - update - you can bundle the AVI add-on with the Professional edition for $US72 or with the Developer version for $138.

Haven&#039;t tried this so can&#039;t speak for it but if it is as easy to use as the audio version it might be worth the money if you have a bit of use for it.  Just investigating it has half convinced me to try it (trial version is available).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total Recorder has an add-on for AVI files (most streaming video is available in this as an alternative).  It appears you have to have the Professional ($US40) or Developer ($US100) versions of Total Recorder as well as stumping up $US40 for the AVI add-on &#8211; update &#8211; you can bundle the AVI add-on with the Professional edition for $US72 or with the Developer version for $138.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t tried this so can&#8217;t speak for it but if it is as easy to use as the audio version it might be worth the money if you have a bit of use for it.  Just investigating it has half convinced me to try it (trial version is available).</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Migently</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174954</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Migently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there something similar to capture streaming video in various formats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there something similar to capture streaming video in various formats?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexm</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174946</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying again!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.highcriteria.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.highcriteria.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying again!  <a href="http://www.highcriteria.com/">http://www.highcriteria.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexm</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174944</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Support zoot regarding Total Recorder.  Very easy to install and use.  Actually one of the few reasons I keep a Windows box running as I&#039;ve almost totally converted to Linux otherwise.  The website of the developers is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.highcriteria.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support zoot regarding Total Recorder.  Very easy to install and use.  Actually one of the few reasons I keep a Windows box running as I&#8217;ve almost totally converted to Linux otherwise.  The website of the developers is <a href="http://www.highcriteria.com/"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Merkel</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174925</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Merkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ogg Vorbis is a free software thing - unlike MP3, there&#039;s no patent uncertainty surrounding its use.  

If you want something guaranteed to record streaming audio, &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.highcriteria.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this program&lt;/A&gt; should do the trick.  It pretends to be your sound card driver, but instead captures the audio to a file, which you can then convert to MP3 or whatever other format you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ogg Vorbis is a free software thing &#8211; unlike MP3, there&#8217;s no patent uncertainty surrounding its use.  </p>
<p>If you want something guaranteed to record streaming audio, <a HREF="http://www.highcriteria.com/">this program</a> should do the trick.  It pretends to be your sound card driver, but instead captures the audio to a file, which you can then convert to MP3 or whatever other format you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174881</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but you have to convert into Ogg-Vorbis (rather than MP3, but i think all players read it fine)&quot;

What the . . . ?

My tichy little MP3 player knows about MP3.  I know about MP3.  Why would something convert things into Ogg-Vorbis?  This seems like such a small thing to a geek, but once I see this idea that it just happens to be in Ogg-Vorbis but hey that&#039;s no problem - well everything I&#039;ve ever learned about computers tell me that it is very likely to be a problem, that with a few hours it might not be - but these days I skip things that might rob me of a few hours. 

Having said all this, I&#039;ve now read your comment and it seems it may not be a problem unless I go over some bandwidth limit.  Hmm - we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but you have to convert into Ogg-Vorbis (rather than MP3, but i think all players read it fine)&#8221;</p>
<p>What the . . . ?</p>
<p>My tichy little MP3 player knows about MP3.  I know about MP3.  Why would something convert things into Ogg-Vorbis?  This seems like such a small thing to a geek, but once I see this idea that it just happens to be in Ogg-Vorbis but hey that&#8217;s no problem &#8211; well everything I&#8217;ve ever learned about computers tell me that it is very likely to be a problem, that with a few hours it might not be &#8211; but these days I skip things that might rob me of a few hours. </p>
<p>Having said all this, I&#8217;ve now read your comment and it seems it may not be a problem unless I go over some bandwidth limit.  Hmm &#8211; we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174875</link>
		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can heartily recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.download.com/3000-2170-10024762.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Total Recorder (Windows)&lt;/a&gt;, but it does cost about $18 (US)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can heartily recommend <a href="http://www.download.com/3000-2170-10024762.html">Total Recorder (Windows)</a>, but it does cost about $18 (US)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174869</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so you know where &quot;RIP&quot; came from:

It&#039;s an abbreviation for &quot;Raster Image Processor&quot;. This is the bit in a laser printer that converts a printer file into the pattern of dots the printer actually puts on the paper. (A &quot;raster&quot; image is a &quot;bitmap&quot; image - a digital image made of dots).

These days every computer and laser printer does its own &quot;RIPping&quot;, but in the early days of digital graphic (mid 1980s), this was a separate process done on an expensive machine called a...RIP.

So people would say &quot;can you RIP this file&quot;, &quot;I&#039;ve just got to RIP it&quot; etc.

In digital video, the terminology for (essentially) the same thing is &quot;rendering).

When you&#039;re converting analogue audio to digital, you&#039;re doing more-or-less the same thing - making a digital file out of something else. So I guess people started picking up the graphics term.

Since then it has morphed into covering any kind of file extraction and conversion (probably because &quot;ripping off&quot; also seems to fit some of these activities).

There, aren&#039;t you glad you know that now?

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you know where &#8220;RIP&#8221; came from:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an abbreviation for &#8220;Raster Image Processor&#8221;. This is the bit in a laser printer that converts a printer file into the pattern of dots the printer actually puts on the paper. (A &#8220;raster&#8221; image is a &#8220;bitmap&#8221; image &#8211; a digital image made of dots).</p>
<p>These days every computer and laser printer does its own &#8220;RIPping&#8221;, but in the early days of digital graphic (mid 1980s), this was a separate process done on an expensive machine called a&#8230;RIP.</p>
<p>So people would say &#8220;can you RIP this file&#8221;, &#8220;I&#8217;ve just got to RIP it&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>In digital video, the terminology for (essentially) the same thing is &#8220;rendering).</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re converting analogue audio to digital, you&#8217;re doing more-or-less the same thing &#8211; making a digital file out of something else. So I guess people started picking up the graphics term.</p>
<p>Since then it has morphed into covering any kind of file extraction and conversion (probably because &#8220;ripping off&#8221; also seems to fit some of these activities).</p>
<p>There, aren&#8217;t you glad you know that now?</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174849</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/features&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Audacity&lt;/a&gt; is my favourite for most simple sound tasks. It&#039;s FREE and well featured. It will capture streaming depending on your sound card. It will then export/convert  your files as MP3 if you want. Licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL). Runs on Linux/PC/MAC.

My other favourite (player) is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediamonkey.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Media Monkey&lt;/a&gt; - FREE - cos it plays FLAC as well as MP3 etc. It will also convert from superior FLAC straight to MP3. It will burn too but I like to use different programs for burning and extracting.

Gold Audio Geek Standard for extraction is FREE &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EAC (Exact Audio Copy)&lt;/a&gt;

I  use &lt;a href=&quot;http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JUICE&lt;/a&gt; a FREE GPL Linux/PC/MAC program to auto download podcasts and store then so that months later I can wonder what they are and delete them without listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/features">Audacity</a> is my favourite for most simple sound tasks. It&#8217;s FREE and well featured. It will capture streaming depending on your sound card. It will then export/convert  your files as MP3 if you want. Licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL). Runs on Linux/PC/MAC.</p>
<p>My other favourite (player) is <a href="http://www.mediamonkey.com/">Media Monkey</a> &#8211; FREE &#8211; cos it plays FLAC as well as MP3 etc. It will also convert from superior FLAC straight to MP3. It will burn too but I like to use different programs for burning and extracting.</p>
<p>Gold Audio Geek Standard for extraction is FREE <a href="http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/">EAC (Exact Audio Copy)</a></p>
<p>I  use <a href="http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/">JUICE</a> a FREE GPL Linux/PC/MAC program to auto download podcasts and store then so that months later I can wonder what they are and delete them without listening.</p>
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		<title>By: invig</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174839</link>
		<dc:creator>invig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerip.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FreeRIP&lt;/a&gt; (windows). Its free but still well supported with a CD database, but you have to convert into Ogg-Vorbis (rather than MP3, but i think all players read it fine) if you want to go over 128kbps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use <a href="http://www.freerip.com/">FreeRIP</a> (windows). Its free but still well supported with a CD database, but you have to convert into Ogg-Vorbis (rather than MP3, but i think all players read it fine) if you want to go over 128kbps.</p>
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		<title>By: Jc</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/08/31/you-little-ripper-a-public-service-bleg/#comment-174772</link>
		<dc:creator>Jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice head shot , nick. who&#039;s the blond on the right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice head shot , nick. who&#8217;s the blond on the right?</p>
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