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	<title>Comments on: Australian federalism according to its creator</title>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Federalism and the corporate governance analogy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-244635</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Federalism and the corporate governance analogy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the third and last in a series of posts exploring Australian federalism (the first part is here and the second is here). I&#8217;ve been struck by the seeming popular lack of interest in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Mapping and Naming edition</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-183765</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Mapping and Naming edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Parish starts a series examining Australian federalism with a look at a half-forgotten father of the constitution, Andrew Inglis Clarke. Peter Black adds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-180160</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably the move toward centralism can be linked broadly to increaing globalisation of problems making local govt response less relevant. Think about terrorism, GW and its related water problem (the Murray Darling), as well as our broader demographic aging problem for health and aged care. Then you throw in the internet shrinking communication/information reach and bingo! The states can never hope to deal with these problems without the resource raising power(income tax) and it&#039;s hard to see that transfer happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the move toward centralism can be linked broadly to increaing globalisation of problems making local govt response less relevant. Think about terrorism, GW and its related water problem (the Murray Darling), as well as our broader demographic aging problem for health and aged care. Then you throw in the internet shrinking communication/information reach and bingo! The states can never hope to deal with these problems without the resource raising power(income tax) and it&#8217;s hard to see that transfer happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-179849</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, The modern form of centrism started with Gorton. He believed that the feds raised revenue and made policy. The states were administrative entities to disburse federal funds in pursuit of federal policy. It has been popular with every federal party since then, including the minor parties who have policies to abolish the states.

The plurality that Ingliss-Clark is talking about can also be described as a vertical separation of powers. The horizontal separation of powers is between the branches of government - where Au fails it at both national and state level as parliaments don&#039;t separate the executive from the legislative. Federalism is a vertical form of executive, legislative and judicature separation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, The modern form of centrism started with Gorton. He believed that the feds raised revenue and made policy. The states were administrative entities to disburse federal funds in pursuit of federal policy. It has been popular with every federal party since then, including the minor parties who have policies to abolish the states.</p>
<p>The plurality that Ingliss-Clark is talking about can also be described as a vertical separation of powers. The horizontal separation of powers is between the branches of government &#8211; where Au fails it at both national and state level as parliaments don&#8217;t separate the executive from the legislative. Federalism is a vertical form of executive, legislative and judicature separation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-179776</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why do both Rudd and Howard feel so confident in deriding federalism and seeking to bypass or lord it over the States?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well centralism has always been a characteristic of the Labor Party, possibly because of a touching faith in the efficacy of central planning. So Rudd&#039;s not really doing anything new. Howard on the other hand is, the Libs being traditional states righters, but I suspect that doctrine starts to look a bit threadbare when you haven&#039;t been able to win a state election for years and have no prospect of turning that around in the foreseeable future.

But isn&#039;t the bigger issue that &#039;the citizens of a common country&#039; is no longer an accurate description of the relationship between the individual and the state? No matter whether it&#039;s at the federal, state or local government level, the state is increasingly regarded as a mixture of service provider, for which individuals are grudging customers, and authoritarian overlord, to which unquestioning obedience is due. The notion that the state represents the considered collective will of the citizenry sounds curiously old-fashioned these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why do both Rudd and Howard feel so confident in deriding federalism and seeking to bypass or lord it over the States?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well centralism has always been a characteristic of the Labor Party, possibly because of a touching faith in the efficacy of central planning. So Rudd&#8217;s not really doing anything new. Howard on the other hand is, the Libs being traditional states righters, but I suspect that doctrine starts to look a bit threadbare when you haven&#8217;t been able to win a state election for years and have no prospect of turning that around in the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t the bigger issue that &#8216;the citizens of a common country&#8217; is no longer an accurate description of the relationship between the individual and the state? No matter whether it&#8217;s at the federal, state or local government level, the state is increasingly regarded as a mixture of service provider, for which individuals are grudging customers, and authoritarian overlord, to which unquestioning obedience is due. The notion that the state represents the considered collective will of the citizenry sounds curiously old-fashioned these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/06/australian-federalism-according-to-its-creator/#comment-179253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear.</p>
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