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		<title>By: Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Mapping and Naming edition</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-183766</link>
		<dc:creator>Club Troppo &#187; Missing Link - Mapping and Naming edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gruen admires the BBC&#8217;s dedication to a disdain for factionalism in political reporting. Nicholas is also seeking feedback on the talking points he wants to cover when he speaks at a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-182183</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Bert,

And I wouldn&#039;t mind if the media said &quot;yes, but you said that kind of thing last year and it turned out you were deliberately trying to mislead us, so why should we believe a word you say now?&quot;

Unfortunately, though we pride ourselves on our lack of pomposity, it is pomposity that saves the pollies.  They get to tell porkies again and again, and &#039;form&#039; prevents the journalist from saying things that cut through it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Bert,</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t mind if the media said &#8220;yes, but you said that kind of thing last year and it turned out you were deliberately trying to mislead us, so why should we believe a word you say now?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, though we pride ourselves on our lack of pomposity, it is pomposity that saves the pollies.  They get to tell porkies again and again, and &#8216;form&#8217; prevents the journalist from saying things that cut through it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-182053</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the point you make Nicholas. Respect for parliament has (for me) always seemed a defined characteristic of the Westminster system. Howard&#039;s championing of the Westminster model during the republic debate was always a hypocritical posture. He more than anyone has trashed the Westminster values yet at the same time he more than anyone has trumpeted their sacrosanct value. He lied to serve his own ends and in that he has diminished Parliament and its association with the Westminster model.
In considering the Westminster system in today&#039;s society, I think that one should also consider the role of the media as in your point that 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I admire the way in which the BBC often tries to summarise the essence of some announcement or piece of news rather than just get the juiciest grab from one spokesperson or another.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The &quot;media&quot; in Australia has long fallen for the &quot;bottom-line&quot; of ratings, profit and the lowest common denominator. Apart from the occasional biting question on the ABC, when did an interviewer last stop a politician  in full flow and insist, &quot;But I didn&#039;t ask you that. I asked you....&quot; Too many times have government members been allowed to wander off into obscurity instead of answering a question. The &quot;media&quot; should pull them up and insist on a direct answer to a question. If a politician doesn&#039;t want to answer fine. Tell them the interview&#039;s over. Finish it. They would soon learn that termination of an interview in this way would be loudly and broadly publicised to their detriment. The Westminster system also implies respect for the people in this case as represented by the media questioner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the point you make Nicholas. Respect for parliament has (for me) always seemed a defined characteristic of the Westminster system. Howard&#8217;s championing of the Westminster model during the republic debate was always a hypocritical posture. He more than anyone has trashed the Westminster values yet at the same time he more than anyone has trumpeted their sacrosanct value. He lied to serve his own ends and in that he has diminished Parliament and its association with the Westminster model.<br />
In considering the Westminster system in today&#8217;s society, I think that one should also consider the role of the media as in your point that </p>
<blockquote><p>I admire the way in which the BBC often tries to summarise the essence of some announcement or piece of news rather than just get the juiciest grab from one spokesperson or another.</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;media&#8221; in Australia has long fallen for the &#8220;bottom-line&#8221; of ratings, profit and the lowest common denominator. Apart from the occasional biting question on the ABC, when did an interviewer last stop a politician  in full flow and insist, &#8220;But I didn&#8217;t ask you that. I asked you&#8230;.&#8221; Too many times have government members been allowed to wander off into obscurity instead of answering a question. The &#8220;media&#8221; should pull them up and insist on a direct answer to a question. If a politician doesn&#8217;t want to answer fine. Tell them the interview&#8217;s over. Finish it. They would soon learn that termination of an interview in this way would be loudly and broadly publicised to their detriment. The Westminster system also implies respect for the people in this case as represented by the media questioner.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-181384</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A party that is called the &#039;Labour Party&#039; might be expected to look favourably on the work ethic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A party that is called the &#8216;Labour Party&#8217; might be expected to look favourably on the work ethic.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-181251</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind all that - what about all the palaver about &quot;work ethic&quot; and &quot;community discipline&quot;?  And that&#039;s a Labour PM, ferchrissake.
Based on that, and the post below, you&#039;ve got to say the fascists have won.  Fascism is a state of mind, and it&#039;s become prevalent amongst our &quot;leaders&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind all that &#8211; what about all the palaver about &#8220;work ethic&#8221; and &#8220;community discipline&#8221;?  And that&#8217;s a Labour PM, ferchrissake.<br />
Based on that, and the post below, you&#8217;ve got to say the fascists have won.  Fascism is a state of mind, and it&#8217;s become prevalent amongst our &#8220;leaders&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-181190</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course this commitment to Westminster remains quite deep in England - though for how much longer against all those imperatives to &#039;modernise&#039; who knows?  But they actually have a question time in which the point of asking a question is to elicit information and/or some statement of policy (rather than code abuse into an interrogative form) and the point of answering is to provide that information or statement (rather than abuse coded as an answer). 

Of course there is the inevitable one-upmanship, but compared to the farce of Abuse Time in our Parliament Parliamentary questions in the UK retain some utility. They&#039;re not (yet) a disembodied relic of a past civilisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course this commitment to Westminster remains quite deep in England &#8211; though for how much longer against all those imperatives to &#8216;modernise&#8217; who knows?  But they actually have a question time in which the point of asking a question is to elicit information and/or some statement of policy (rather than code abuse into an interrogative form) and the point of answering is to provide that information or statement (rather than abuse coded as an answer). </p>
<p>Of course there is the inevitable one-upmanship, but compared to the farce of Abuse Time in our Parliament Parliamentary questions in the UK retain some utility. They&#8217;re not (yet) a disembodied relic of a past civilisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-180967</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the linked-to site:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Sometimes it is necessary to edit the transcripts. This is either because in accordance with long-standing practice under the Ministerial and Civil Service codes, government websites cannot carry party political content, or because the audio quality has made it impossible to transcribe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
How lovely. I&#039;d love a similar policy on party political content to be in force in our fair land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the linked-to site:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sometimes it is necessary to edit the transcripts. This is either because in accordance with long-standing practice under the Ministerial and Civil Service codes, government websites cannot carry party political content, or because the audio quality has made it impossible to transcribe.</p></blockquote>
<p>How lovely. I&#8217;d love a similar policy on party political content to be in force in our fair land.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/09/07/newsflash-from-no-10/#comment-180966</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But while being found out about nookie might require a minister to resign (which is silly and face-saving), it doesn&#039;t seem to necessarily preclude them from rising again, or at least that&#039;s my recollection. Go to the backbench for a while, and then you can rise to the heights of power again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But while being found out about nookie might require a minister to resign (which is silly and face-saving), it doesn&#8217;t seem to necessarily preclude them from rising again, or at least that&#8217;s my recollection. Go to the backbench for a while, and then you can rise to the heights of power again.</p>
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