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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192921</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I&#039;ve been mulling this over for a day or so and I don&#039;t think I agree with you.  

I&#039;m a strong opponent of the death penalty.  I also think that Rudd could have finessed the problem much more than he did.  I think that while conceding the poor timing of McClelland&#039;s comments he could also have called for calm in a statesman like way emphasising the importance of the whole affair for the Bali Nine. 

As for feeling bad about Howard for taking a free kick?  Well that&#039;s what politicians of both sides do. I recall getting all worked up about what a meanie Malcolm Fraser was for blocking supply.  But the ALP Govt had put it&#039;s head in the noose with its incompetence and then found itself reliant on the good will and &#039;principled&#039; behaviour of its political opponents (and it divined &#039;principle&#039; from things other than its own past behaviour - it had threatened to block supply itself).  So it created a narrative in which pulling the lever on the gallows that the ALP Government had been kind enough to build as some kind of convention wrecking, indecent thing.  

I fell for it then, but I think it&#039;s bollocks now.  Politicians do that stuff for a living.  Of course if the issues are sacred enough, then I guess I could get on my high horse, if, for instance Howard&#039;s opportunism involved trying to change the law here, start dog-whistling on behalf of a change and whatever.  His behaviour over any number of things I think has been reprehensible - I guess the highhanded illegalities of Tampa, the mendaciousness of children overboard, the Nixonian deniability of just about everthing and above all the cruelty of all those people incarcerated in the desert. 

But taking a free swing at the head that Robert McClelland stuck out this close to an election? Well I think any of the PMs I&#039;ve known in the last few decades would have done the same. 

So it&#039;s like that Italian who took the dive and got the penalty in the world cup. Not pretty, but part of the game. 

On the other hand I fully endorse your dim view of the media especially those who are not so beholden to commercial forces - like Kezza O&#039;Brien - indeed I might go further.  They should try to inform their viewers/readers of the relevant facts.  But they can&#039;t help reporting on politics as entertainment/spectacle/spin.  They may as well put up the headline &quot;Howard has a good day conning you mug readers - again! Shock!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been mulling this over for a day or so and I don&#8217;t think I agree with you.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a strong opponent of the death penalty.  I also think that Rudd could have finessed the problem much more than he did.  I think that while conceding the poor timing of McClelland&#8217;s comments he could also have called for calm in a statesman like way emphasising the importance of the whole affair for the Bali Nine. </p>
<p>As for feeling bad about Howard for taking a free kick?  Well that&#8217;s what politicians of both sides do. I recall getting all worked up about what a meanie Malcolm Fraser was for blocking supply.  But the ALP Govt had put it&#8217;s head in the noose with its incompetence and then found itself reliant on the good will and &#8216;principled&#8217; behaviour of its political opponents (and it divined &#8216;principle&#8217; from things other than its own past behaviour &#8211; it had threatened to block supply itself).  So it created a narrative in which pulling the lever on the gallows that the ALP Government had been kind enough to build as some kind of convention wrecking, indecent thing.  </p>
<p>I fell for it then, but I think it&#8217;s bollocks now.  Politicians do that stuff for a living.  Of course if the issues are sacred enough, then I guess I could get on my high horse, if, for instance Howard&#8217;s opportunism involved trying to change the law here, start dog-whistling on behalf of a change and whatever.  His behaviour over any number of things I think has been reprehensible &#8211; I guess the highhanded illegalities of Tampa, the mendaciousness of children overboard, the Nixonian deniability of just about everthing and above all the cruelty of all those people incarcerated in the desert. </p>
<p>But taking a free swing at the head that Robert McClelland stuck out this close to an election? Well I think any of the PMs I&#8217;ve known in the last few decades would have done the same. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s like that Italian who took the dive and got the penalty in the world cup. Not pretty, but part of the game. </p>
<p>On the other hand I fully endorse your dim view of the media especially those who are not so beholden to commercial forces &#8211; like Kezza O&#8217;Brien &#8211; indeed I might go further.  They should try to inform their viewers/readers of the relevant facts.  But they can&#8217;t help reporting on politics as entertainment/spectacle/spin.  They may as well put up the headline &#8220;Howard has a good day conning you mug readers &#8211; again! Shock!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192839</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Howard Disdainer!&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm. Doesn&#039;t quite have the same punch.</description>
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<p>Hmm. Doesn&#8217;t quite have the same punch.</p>
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		<title>By: tssk</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192835</link>
		<dc:creator>tssk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naill, I haven&#039;t actually. (For those who aren&#039;t in the know ksst was a persona I used on a couple of forums, a nasty RWDB who was used to throw up obvious strawmen before someone else did.)

I actually think that Howard will use this as a wedge. And I think this will win him votes. In fact the movements of the GG and the PM seem to confirm that the election will be called soon so he can take advantage of the current events.

(Think of the GG and the PM as the keymaster and the gatekeeper from Ghostbusters.)

As a Howard hater I&#039;m not only gutted by what I percieve to be the damage that J Ho has done to the country, I&#039;m also worried about the long term damage he&#039;s done to his own party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naill, I haven&#8217;t actually. (For those who aren&#8217;t in the know ksst was a persona I used on a couple of forums, a nasty RWDB who was used to throw up obvious strawmen before someone else did.)</p>
<p>I actually think that Howard will use this as a wedge. And I think this will win him votes. In fact the movements of the GG and the PM seem to confirm that the election will be called soon so he can take advantage of the current events.</p>
<p>(Think of the GG and the PM as the keymaster and the gatekeeper from Ghostbusters.)</p>
<p>As a Howard hater I&#8217;m not only gutted by what I percieve to be the damage that J Ho has done to the country, I&#8217;m also worried about the long term damage he&#8217;s done to his own party.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192818</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;whats the word for intense contempt?&lt;/em&gt;

Howard Disdainer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>whats the word for intense contempt?</em></p>
<p>Howard Disdainer!</p>
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		<title>By: Cam</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192791</link>
		<dc:creator>Cam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have a link to McClelland&#039;s speech itself?</description>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192785</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thoughts, &quot;hate&quot; is not accurate when it comes to John Howard. Instead of &quot;intense dislike&quot;, what&#039;s the word for &quot;intense contempt&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thoughts, &#8220;hate&#8221; is not accurate when it comes to John Howard. Instead of &#8220;intense dislike&#8221;, what&#8217;s the word for &#8220;intense contempt&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: cs</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192782</link>
		<dc:creator>cs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, we know that visceral, rabid, hysterical Labor-haters always project their own feelings on those who disagree as an advance defence, but really, what&#039;s the definition of &quot;hate&quot;? My definition says &quot;intense dislike&quot;. I can&#039;t see a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, we know that visceral, rabid, hysterical Labor-haters always project their own feelings on those who disagree as an advance defence, but really, what&#8217;s the definition of &#8220;hate&#8221;? My definition says &#8220;intense dislike&#8221;. I can&#8217;t see a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Youie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192771</link>
		<dc:creator>Youie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things shit me. The first is the constant reference in the past 24 hours of my radio listening and web reading by Government members/ministers to the &quot;88 people&quot; who died in the Bali bombings. More than 200 people died; 88 Australians did; why does the Government prefer to refer to the smaller number unless there is some reason (presumably [cynically] a domestic political one) for doing so?

The second thing that shits me is that I can&#039;t remember what the second thing that shat me was. But it was good, by gar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things shit me. The first is the constant reference in the past 24 hours of my radio listening and web reading by Government members/ministers to the &#8220;88 people&#8221; who died in the Bali bombings. More than 200 people died; 88 Australians did; why does the Government prefer to refer to the smaller number unless there is some reason (presumably [cynically] a domestic political one) for doing so?</p>
<p>The second thing that shits me is that I can&#8217;t remember what the second thing that shat me was. But it was good, by gar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192756</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tssk, I see you&#039;ve resurrected Ksst. I thought you&#039;d killed it off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tssk, I see you&#8217;ve resurrected Ksst. I thought you&#8217;d killed it off?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Lovell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile Brendan Nelson and Alexander Downer, ever eager to please their masters in Washington, make gratuitous claims that the bastard Iranians supplied the roadside bomb that killed an Australian soldier. Or probably did. Or could have.

In fact the suggestion is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bombmakers-relied-on-old-technology-for-attack/2007/10/09/1191695910366.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a complete fabrication&lt;/a&gt; but don&#039;t expect an apology. 

It&#039;s staggering that nobody in the media seems to think it&#039;s worth asking either the government or the opposition about their attitude to the Bush Administration&#039;s apparent desire to go to war with Iran. Somehow this is a piddling non-event compared to something really important like Labor not supporting the death penalty for terrorists.

We live in strange times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile Brendan Nelson and Alexander Downer, ever eager to please their masters in Washington, make gratuitous claims that the bastard Iranians supplied the roadside bomb that killed an Australian soldier. Or probably did. Or could have.</p>
<p>In fact the suggestion is <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/bombmakers-relied-on-old-technology-for-attack/2007/10/09/1191695910366.html">a complete fabrication</a> but don&#8217;t expect an apology. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s staggering that nobody in the media seems to think it&#8217;s worth asking either the government or the opposition about their attitude to the Bush Administration&#8217;s apparent desire to go to war with Iran. Somehow this is a piddling non-event compared to something really important like Labor not supporting the death penalty for terrorists.</p>
<p>We live in strange times.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Patient</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192744</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Patient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are being a little harsh on Mr McClelland. He is after all only a politician and we know it takes many overseas junkets before they acquire wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are being a little harsh on Mr McClelland. He is after all only a politician and we know it takes many overseas junkets before they acquire wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: clarencegirl</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192743</link>
		<dc:creator>clarencegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire Howard Cabinet have turned into very scary propagandists and, I worry for our society&#039;s future if they are re-elected - think Howard &amp; Co have reached the stage where they really believe their own nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Howard Cabinet have turned into very scary propagandists and, I worry for our society&#8217;s future if they are re-elected &#8211; think Howard &amp; Co have reached the stage where they really believe their own nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192740</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, aside from James who possibly posted the title in a fit of pique, and the subject certainly fitted my pique, its certainly eye catching. Pretty well all the lefties here have more or less declared Howard too pathetic to actually hate. 

I suspect that in order to fully hate someone with a passion, you need to have experienced the opposite, and have loved them first.  And its highly unlikely that anyone in Australia, save Janette and maybe his Mother, has ever fully loved John Howard.  Its easy not to like someone, its a much further leap to actually feel hatred for them.  The way the term is used in the media, is pretty much on a par with the primary school &quot;I hate you, nanee nah&quot; and then running off giggling. 

I hate what John Howard has done to this country, I think his personal ambition has made him evil.  However, I don&#039;t hate the man.  I couldn&#039;t be bothered wasting the emotional energy on him personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, aside from James who possibly posted the title in a fit of pique, and the subject certainly fitted my pique, its certainly eye catching. Pretty well all the lefties here have more or less declared Howard too pathetic to actually hate. </p>
<p>I suspect that in order to fully hate someone with a passion, you need to have experienced the opposite, and have loved them first.  And its highly unlikely that anyone in Australia, save Janette and maybe his Mother, has ever fully loved John Howard.  Its easy not to like someone, its a much further leap to actually feel hatred for them.  The way the term is used in the media, is pretty much on a par with the primary school &#8220;I hate you, nanee nah&#8221; and then running off giggling. </p>
<p>I hate what John Howard has done to this country, I think his personal ambition has made him evil.  However, I don&#8217;t hate the man.  I couldn&#8217;t be bothered wasting the emotional energy on him personally.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192737</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Port man I admire your confidence tssk but...! It&#039;s not exactly Gary Ablett that&#039;s had a twinge at training here and there is a small matter of the contestants overarching percentages to consider. 
Generally speaking both leaders have to tread warily around the obvious fact that any referendum would see the death penalty for murder a lay down misere&#039;. That goes double for terrorists. McClelland&#039;s gaffe was in not recognising that obvious fact. Interesting though, how Labor will be a bit tainted by this bipartisan decision of Rudds, while the Coalition will be likewise tainted by Turnbull&#039;s bipartisan decision over Gunn&#039;s pulp mill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Port man I admire your confidence tssk but&#8230;! It&#8217;s not exactly Gary Ablett that&#8217;s had a twinge at training here and there is a small matter of the contestants overarching percentages to consider.<br />
Generally speaking both leaders have to tread warily around the obvious fact that any referendum would see the death penalty for murder a lay down misere&#8217;. That goes double for terrorists. McClelland&#8217;s gaffe was in not recognising that obvious fact. Interesting though, how Labor will be a bit tainted by this bipartisan decision of Rudds, while the Coalition will be likewise tainted by Turnbull&#8217;s bipartisan decision over Gunn&#8217;s pulp mill.</p>
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		<title>By: hc</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192736</link>
		<dc:creator>hc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is very little to choose between Howard and Rudd. Rudd immediately ran for cover with the usual bout of &#039;me-tooism&#039; whem McClelland was unjustly attacked. 

But I agree James that lefties such as yourself do emotionally and irrationally  hate Howard. The two parties have never been more similar so your preference for Labor could not be based on rational analysis of policy differences.

The hypocrisy in your position is manifest. You identify the awful behaviour of Rudd in condemning his Shadow Minister for restating Labor policy but attribute sins only to the other side of politics.

Rudd validates the Liberal attack with his grotesque &#039;me-tooism&#039; - not much integrity as Rudd keeps his gaze steadily on that ballet box. How does this kind of dishonesty differ from &#039;points scoring&#039; by the other side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is very little to choose between Howard and Rudd. Rudd immediately ran for cover with the usual bout of &#8216;me-tooism&#8217; whem McClelland was unjustly attacked. </p>
<p>But I agree James that lefties such as yourself do emotionally and irrationally  hate Howard. The two parties have never been more similar so your preference for Labor could not be based on rational analysis of policy differences.</p>
<p>The hypocrisy in your position is manifest. You identify the awful behaviour of Rudd in condemning his Shadow Minister for restating Labor policy but attribute sins only to the other side of politics.</p>
<p>Rudd validates the Liberal attack with his grotesque &#8216;me-tooism&#8217; &#8211; not much integrity as Rudd keeps his gaze steadily on that ballet box. How does this kind of dishonesty differ from &#8216;points scoring&#8217; by the other side?</p>
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		<title>By: tssk</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192732</link>
		<dc:creator>tssk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing though.

It&#039;s gibberish but it&#039;s going to win him the election.

Those who don&#039;t have the time to look at the issue deeper will come to the conclusion that the ALP are apologists for terrorists who willfully went out of the way to spit in the faces of the relatives of the Bali dead.

Those who will look at the issue closer will be turned off by Rudd&#039;s pragmatism whether it was required or not.

A double wedge in other words.

Howard can call the election now.

He has this one in the bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gibberish but it&#8217;s going to win him the election.</p>
<p>Those who don&#8217;t have the time to look at the issue deeper will come to the conclusion that the ALP are apologists for terrorists who willfully went out of the way to spit in the faces of the relatives of the Bali dead.</p>
<p>Those who will look at the issue closer will be turned off by Rudd&#8217;s pragmatism whether it was required or not.</p>
<p>A double wedge in other words.</p>
<p>Howard can call the election now.</p>
<p>He has this one in the bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observa, my point about the damage of Australia was not how &#039;the brand is seen overseas&#039; but within the country.  How we see ourselves, how we perceive those who are not in the mainstream, how we treat diversity, how we treat working people who are not skilled enough to negotiate a AWA etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observa, my point about the damage of Australia was not how &#8216;the brand is seen overseas&#8217; but within the country.  How we see ourselves, how we perceive those who are not in the mainstream, how we treat diversity, how we treat working people who are not skilled enough to negotiate a AWA etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192723</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently we&#039;ve raised the bar you&#039;ll notice Guido-

&quot;There are some striking changes in the second edition of the
Anholt-GMI Nation Brands Index. Australia, a new entry in
the NBI, has replaced Sweden as the strongest nation brand
in the world. America has moved from fourth to eleventh
place, and Sweden has moved down to fifth place.
However, these changes are not the result of any dramatic
shifts in global public opinion during the last three months;
its mainly because the list of countries tested is more complete.
The NBI now covers 25 countries, and some important
gaps have been filled: France, Canada, Spain, Australia,
Ireland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, New Zealand. (We
have also included several more developing countries with
interesting brand profiles, like Brazil, Mexico, Egypt, Poland
and South Africa). The main reason why the US and Sweden
have fallen lower in the list is as a result of several additional
countries being ranked higher. The bar has been
raised.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently we&#8217;ve raised the bar you&#8217;ll notice Guido-</p>
<p>&#8220;There are some striking changes in the second edition of the<br />
Anholt-GMI Nation Brands Index. Australia, a new entry in<br />
the NBI, has replaced Sweden as the strongest nation brand<br />
in the world. America has moved from fourth to eleventh<br />
place, and Sweden has moved down to fifth place.<br />
However, these changes are not the result of any dramatic<br />
shifts in global public opinion during the last three months;<br />
its mainly because the list of countries tested is more complete.<br />
The NBI now covers 25 countries, and some important<br />
gaps have been filled: France, Canada, Spain, Australia,<br />
Ireland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, New Zealand. (We<br />
have also included several more developing countries with<br />
interesting brand profiles, like Brazil, Mexico, Egypt, Poland<br />
and South Africa). The main reason why the US and Sweden<br />
have fallen lower in the list is as a result of several additional<br />
countries being ranked higher. The bar has been<br />
raised.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192722</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder whether he realises the damage he is doing to Australia sometimes.&quot;
Not very likely Guido when you know where &#039;Brand Australia&#039; sits in the world rankings-
http://www.gmi-mr.com/gmipoll/docs/NBI_Q2_2005.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder whether he realises the damage he is doing to Australia sometimes.&#8221;<br />
Not very likely Guido when you know where &#8216;Brand Australia&#8217; sits in the world rankings-<br />
<a href="http://www.gmi-mr.com/gmipoll/docs/NBI_Q2_2005.pdf">http://www.gmi-mr.com/gmipoll/docs/NBI_Q2_2005.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192721</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What of the argument, aired elsewhere, that executing the Bali bastards would achieve their ambition of martyrdom and virgins in paradise? Far better, as the Ruddster said, to let them rot in jail and be taken out in pine boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What of the argument, aired elsewhere, that executing the Bali bastards would achieve their ambition of martyrdom and virgins in paradise? Far better, as the Ruddster said, to let them rot in jail and be taken out in pine boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom N.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192719</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOW &#039;CONSISTENT&#039; IS HOWARD&#039;S LATEST POSITION?

In response to a question about the possible remission of the Bali bombers&#039; death sentences, Howard is quoted on ABC on-line as having said: &quot;I think that would be very, very bad, I accept that many people will think it is inconsistent of me to say and I&#039;ve acknowledged this before... I personally don&#039;t support capital punishment in Australia. It follows from that whenever an Australian is sentenced to death overseas I&#039;ll argue for the remission of the sentence.&quot;

The question that now should be put to Howard is: if an Australian citizen committed a terrorist act overseas and was sentence to death, would he argue for remission of that sentence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOW &#8216;CONSISTENT&#8217; IS HOWARD&#8217;S LATEST POSITION?</p>
<p>In response to a question about the possible remission of the Bali bombers&#8217; death sentences, Howard is quoted on ABC on-line as having said: &#8220;I think that would be very, very bad, I accept that many people will think it is inconsistent of me to say and I&#8217;ve acknowledged this before&#8230; I personally don&#8217;t support capital punishment in Australia. It follows from that whenever an Australian is sentenced to death overseas I&#8217;ll argue for the remission of the sentence.&#8221;</p>
<p>The question that now should be put to Howard is: if an Australian citizen committed a terrorist act overseas and was sentence to death, would he argue for remission of that sentence?</p>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192718</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I also add that I don&#039;t hate Howard.  It takes me a lot to hate someone and Howard is nowhere near it.

The problem with Howard is that he is basically a decent human being.  But being a politician for too long has warped this decency and has toxically mutated into an effective but very negative tool for political survival.

I wonder whether he realises the damage he is doing to Australia sometimes.  When he sends the SAS to stop a tanker with refugees, or when he allows a minister to implicate a ethnic minority as a &#039;problem&#039; he probably thinks that he is doing the proper thing for Australia.

And there lies the reason why Howard is such a negative figure in Australian politics.  Because he really believes he is doing the right thing, and he is oblivious to the damage.

But what is even more depressing is that in the last decade the majority of Australians appeared to be oblivious too.

We all get the politicians we deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I also add that I don&#8217;t hate Howard.  It takes me a lot to hate someone and Howard is nowhere near it.</p>
<p>The problem with Howard is that he is basically a decent human being.  But being a politician for too long has warped this decency and has toxically mutated into an effective but very negative tool for political survival.</p>
<p>I wonder whether he realises the damage he is doing to Australia sometimes.  When he sends the SAS to stop a tanker with refugees, or when he allows a minister to implicate a ethnic minority as a &#8216;problem&#8217; he probably thinks that he is doing the proper thing for Australia.</p>
<p>And there lies the reason why Howard is such a negative figure in Australian politics.  Because he really believes he is doing the right thing, and he is oblivious to the damage.</p>
<p>But what is even more depressing is that in the last decade the majority of Australians appeared to be oblivious too.</p>
<p>We all get the politicians we deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wigan</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192716</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Wigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post, James et al. It brought me back to seeing Howard as a sort of latter-day Richard Nixon. Especially, Hunter S Thompson&#039;s Fear and Loathing seemed to carry a lot of similarities with Tampa-Pacific Solution. And the anti-terror stuff with the HUA on communists.


It is not strictly so, of course. Howard owed a lot to Thatcher and Reagan&#039;s agenda-setting styles. And in recent times he seems to have leaned heavily on the Karl Rove-Dubya songbook. But Nixon does come back.
 
I think of Dick Tuck&#039;s description of the Nixon style:&quot;Deny what isn&#039;t accused; and accuse what cannot be denied.&quot;

Seems to fit the Rodent perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post, James et al. It brought me back to seeing Howard as a sort of latter-day Richard Nixon. Especially, Hunter S Thompson&#8217;s Fear and Loathing seemed to carry a lot of similarities with Tampa-Pacific Solution. And the anti-terror stuff with the HUA on communists.</p>
<p>It is not strictly so, of course. Howard owed a lot to Thatcher and Reagan&#8217;s agenda-setting styles. And in recent times he seems to have leaned heavily on the Karl Rove-Dubya songbook. But Nixon does come back.</p>
<p>I think of Dick Tuck&#8217;s description of the Nixon style:&#8221;Deny what isn&#8217;t accused; and accuse what cannot be denied.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems to fit the Rodent perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192713</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In today&#039;s Australian, Professor Allan says that it is &quot;not inconsistent&quot; for Mr.Howard  to oppose capital punishment in Australia yet &quot;not condemn it elsewhere&quot;. I happen to agree. As a general principle, we should neither be condemning nor campaigning against the legitimately arrived laws of other democratic countries.
 
But Mr. Howard has now gone one big step further. He was asked today on Southern Cross Radio how he would react if the Bali bombers were not executed as a result of a challenge in Indonesia&#039;s Constitutional Court. His response was that &quot;that would be very, very bad&quot; - although adding that whenever an Australian is sentenced to death overseas he would argue for remission of the sentence. 
 
Mr. Howard is effectively pleading to the Indonesians to execute the Bali Bombers but keep their hands off our boys. This could be seen as blatantly inconsistent and ethnically discriminatory.  It is not a good look for Australia, coming so soon after the comments by Mr. Andrews about African refugees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s Australian, Professor Allan says that it is &#8220;not inconsistent&#8221; for Mr.Howard  to oppose capital punishment in Australia yet &#8220;not condemn it elsewhere&#8221;. I happen to agree. As a general principle, we should neither be condemning nor campaigning against the legitimately arrived laws of other democratic countries.</p>
<p>But Mr. Howard has now gone one big step further. He was asked today on Southern Cross Radio how he would react if the Bali bombers were not executed as a result of a challenge in Indonesia&#8217;s Constitutional Court. His response was that &#8220;that would be very, very bad&#8221; &#8211; although adding that whenever an Australian is sentenced to death overseas he would argue for remission of the sentence. </p>
<p>Mr. Howard is effectively pleading to the Indonesians to execute the Bali Bombers but keep their hands off our boys. This could be seen as blatantly inconsistent and ethnically discriminatory.  It is not a good look for Australia, coming so soon after the comments by Mr. Andrews about African refugees.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/10/i-hate-howard/#comment-192710</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This McClelland thingy has provided the Coalition with a golden opportunity to test Rudd&#039;s big talking on how he&#039;ll pick his own cabinet. Basically pick it now so the Australian electorate can assess and compare it properly and see if you&#039;re fair dinkum Rudd, or crawl back to the factional hacks and backroom wheeler dealers for your orders mouse. Expect that Coalition pressure to be unrelenting for Rudd now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This McClelland thingy has provided the Coalition with a golden opportunity to test Rudd&#8217;s big talking on how he&#8217;ll pick his own cabinet. Basically pick it now so the Australian electorate can assess and compare it properly and see if you&#8217;re fair dinkum Rudd, or crawl back to the factional hacks and backroom wheeler dealers for your orders mouse. Expect that Coalition pressure to be unrelenting for Rudd now.</p>
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