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	<title>Comments on: Men with bad knees on bikes without brakes</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Noonan</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197890</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a fixed wheel bike and no brakes, you don&#039;t stop in a hurry, especially if you are racing, and the bike is heavy and you are light - e.g. a child; and if the town you live in is hilly that goes double. Because if you try to back pedel you are just lifted into the air.

If you live in a small flat town you might survive because everyone knows you are an idiot and watch out for you.

The myth of fixed wheel bikes has been around for a long time, and a long time ago like during the great depression, when road traffic was pretty sparce, old guys riding slowly may have got away with it. Idiot couriers doing idiotic things are living in an alternative world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a fixed wheel bike and no brakes, you don&#8217;t stop in a hurry, especially if you are racing, and the bike is heavy and you are light &#8211; e.g. a child; and if the town you live in is hilly that goes double. Because if you try to back pedel you are just lifted into the air.</p>
<p>If you live in a small flat town you might survive because everyone knows you are an idiot and watch out for you.</p>
<p>The myth of fixed wheel bikes has been around for a long time, and a long time ago like during the great depression, when road traffic was pretty sparce, old guys riding slowly may have got away with it. Idiot couriers doing idiotic things are living in an alternative world.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197444</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;no one cares about being on time or arriving at work sweaty and smelly - uuuaargh&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whooo yes, FXH. 
A lesson I learned when I was 15 and riding up a hill on a main road to high school: don&#039;t slipstream behind garbage trucks. The enduring smell of rotten kitchen scraps, garden cuttings and assorted human waste will *not* make you more popular with your classmates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no one cares about being on time or arriving at work sweaty and smelly &#8211; uuuaargh</p></blockquote>
<p>Whooo yes, FXH.<br />
A lesson I learned when I was 15 and riding up a hill on a main road to high school: don&#8217;t slipstream behind garbage trucks. The enduring smell of rotten kitchen scraps, garden cuttings and assorted human waste will *not* make you more popular with your classmates.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen,

All of what you say is true for cycle lanes to a certain extent, but I much prefer to share the road.  I&#039;m comfortable doing this fairly aggressively as I now live in a small town where the &quot;door zone&quot; is relatively small, traffic fairly light and drivers generally pretty dozy.  The only real worry for me is roundabouts, where the clueless motorists (that&#039;s everybody, including me when I&#039;m driving) just don&#039;t look for tall, thinnish, brightly coloured objects unless you are RIGHT IN THEIR BLOODY FACES i.e. take the lane.  There a website somewhere that details effective lane-taking but I generally only use it at roundabouts or where there are lots of active looking parked cars (schools, churches, shopping centres).

Warning:  some young, aggressive P-Platers generally do not like seeing a 40 something lycra covered lardarse taking up their precious space on the road.  Use middle digit or snarky smile where appropriate.

I hate dedicated cycle paths:  too much debris, broken glass, wandering pedestrians and never-ever maintenance.  I think the road is safer providing you can bear getting honked at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen,</p>
<p>All of what you say is true for cycle lanes to a certain extent, but I much prefer to share the road.  I&#8217;m comfortable doing this fairly aggressively as I now live in a small town where the &#8220;door zone&#8221; is relatively small, traffic fairly light and drivers generally pretty dozy.  The only real worry for me is roundabouts, where the clueless motorists (that&#8217;s everybody, including me when I&#8217;m driving) just don&#8217;t look for tall, thinnish, brightly coloured objects unless you are RIGHT IN THEIR BLOODY FACES i.e. take the lane.  There a website somewhere that details effective lane-taking but I generally only use it at roundabouts or where there are lots of active looking parked cars (schools, churches, shopping centres).</p>
<p>Warning:  some young, aggressive P-Platers generally do not like seeing a 40 something lycra covered lardarse taking up their precious space on the road.  Use middle digit or snarky smile where appropriate.</p>
<p>I hate dedicated cycle paths:  too much debris, broken glass, wandering pedestrians and never-ever maintenance.  I think the road is safer providing you can bear getting honked at.</p>
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		<title>By: timboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>timboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand your frustration with Connex Helen, that&#039;s why I started riding my bike instead!

I&#039;m frequently amazed by the people who design cycling infrastructure- in some case they manage to make roads and paths less safe for cyclists.

In terms of bikepaths in Melbourne there&#039;s the Merri Creek trail, the beach road trail and the main yarra trail and not a lot else. 

I mostly ride on the roads, which I know is less than ideal for many commuters, especially those just starting out. 

My philosophy on bike paths is a bit bleak, I&#039;d rather get hit while on the road than have a collision on a bike path with a pedestrian. 

I&#039;m glad that a lot of the bikelanes in the inner North of Melbourne appear to be getting wider, and hopefully a bit safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand your frustration with Connex Helen, that&#8217;s why I started riding my bike instead!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frequently amazed by the people who design cycling infrastructure- in some case they manage to make roads and paths less safe for cyclists.</p>
<p>In terms of bikepaths in Melbourne there&#8217;s the Merri Creek trail, the beach road trail and the main yarra trail and not a lot else. </p>
<p>I mostly ride on the roads, which I know is less than ideal for many commuters, especially those just starting out. </p>
<p>My philosophy on bike paths is a bit bleak, I&#8217;d rather get hit while on the road than have a collision on a bike path with a pedestrian. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that a lot of the bikelanes in the inner North of Melbourne appear to be getting wider, and hopefully a bit safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;FDB said: 
The inner north of Melbourne is pretty good. Dedicated paths are thin on the ground, but most streets have a cycle lane.
&lt;/i&gt;

No, cycle lanes are crap because they are too narrow and put the rider in the &quot;door zone&quot;, and then it&#039;s less possible to ride further out because the painted line reinforces the impression for motorists that bikes should NOT be outside of it, hence more harassment. Lose lose for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>FDB said:<br />
The inner north of Melbourne is pretty good. Dedicated paths are thin on the ground, but most streets have a cycle lane.<br />
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<p>No, cycle lanes are crap because they are too narrow and put the rider in the &#8220;door zone&#8221;, and then it&#8217;s less possible to ride further out because the painted line reinforces the impression for motorists that bikes should NOT be outside of it, hence more harassment. Lose lose for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theres other similar rides.

Its possible to pedal from the inner city (on trails mostly) up to Warbuton, around 80Ks, for a weekend holiday in the hills.

Some Trails are used a bit for commuting but they tend to circuitus routes. The exception is the Yarra Trail which is heavily used for commuting from the south east. I can&#039;t remember the figure but I saw one count which I think was over 200+ bikes an hour in one section in peak hour. Certainly if you have a look near the exit near Fed Square the bikes pour out of a morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres other similar rides.</p>
<p>Its possible to pedal from the inner city (on trails mostly) up to Warbuton, around 80Ks, for a weekend holiday in the hills.</p>
<p>Some Trails are used a bit for commuting but they tend to circuitus routes. The exception is the Yarra Trail which is heavily used for commuting from the south east. I can&#8217;t remember the figure but I saw one count which I think was over 200+ bikes an hour in one section in peak hour. Certainly if you have a look near the exit near Fed Square the bikes pour out of a morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible to ride 100ks from north west of Melbourne in Jacana on trails all the way to Bonbeach on the south east almost without going on any roads. Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonee_Ponds_Creek_Trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mooonee Ponds Creek trail&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarra_River_Trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Main Yarra Trail&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotchmans_Creek_Trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scotchmans Creek ttrail&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverley_Rail_Trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;or Waverley Trail&lt;/a&gt;) to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandenong_Creek_Trail&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dandenong Creek Trail&lt;/a&gt; around Jells Park then down to the beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible to ride 100ks from north west of Melbourne in Jacana on trails all the way to Bonbeach on the south east almost without going on any roads. Via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonee_Ponds_Creek_Trail" rel="nofollow">Mooonee Ponds Creek trail</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarra_River_Trail" rel="nofollow">Main Yarra Trail</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotchmans_Creek_Trail" rel="nofollow">Scotchmans Creek ttrail</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waverley_Rail_Trail" rel="nofollow">or Waverley Trail</a>) to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandenong_Creek_Trail" rel="nofollow">Dandenong Creek Trail</a> around Jells Park then down to the beach.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken there is in fact a very good and extensive segregated Bike Trails/Path network in Melbourne, largely based on following the creeks and rivers, but it&#039;s probably fair to say it&#039;s set up more for recreation than commuting. 

Melbourne isn&#039;t that flat once you are out of the inner city suburbs and comparing it with Darwin is a bit rough. I think Darwin sits at about 100,000 people and flat with a maximum commute of about 5ks (and no one cares about being on time or arriving at work sweaty and smelly  - uuuaargh) and Melbourne 4,000,000 people with plenty commuting 50+ ks each way (and well dressed and clean).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken there is in fact a very good and extensive segregated Bike Trails/Path network in Melbourne, largely based on following the creeks and rivers, but it&#8217;s probably fair to say it&#8217;s set up more for recreation than commuting. </p>
<p>Melbourne isn&#8217;t that flat once you are out of the inner city suburbs and comparing it with Darwin is a bit rough. I think Darwin sits at about 100,000 people and flat with a maximum commute of about 5ks (and no one cares about being on time or arriving at work sweaty and smelly  &#8211; uuuaargh) and Melbourne 4,000,000 people with plenty commuting 50+ ks each way (and well dressed and clean).</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Timboy.

Rode &quot;to work&quot; today (ie. to local hub station, which gives me a nice ride but avoids the v. scary inner city - see Ken&#039;s comment above); Left work at 6PM but still had to miss one #$%&amp; train because #$%&amp;* Connex had mucked things up again and it was too $%^** crowded... Do I sound irritated?????


I hate Connex. Mixed mode transport is necessary for some people.

I agree with everything Ken said about bike paths - and yes, some suburbs are better served than others... Ours are shit, and appear to be arranged by a cycle hater who wants to kill off as many as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Timboy.</p>
<p>Rode &#8220;to work&#8221; today (ie. to local hub station, which gives me a nice ride but avoids the v. scary inner city &#8211; see Ken&#8217;s comment above); Left work at 6PM but still had to miss one #$%&amp; train because #$%&amp;* Connex had mucked things up again and it was too $%^** crowded&#8230; Do I sound irritated?????</p>
<p>I hate Connex. Mixed mode transport is necessary for some people.</p>
<p>I agree with everything Ken said about bike paths &#8211; and yes, some suburbs are better served than others&#8230; Ours are shit, and appear to be arranged by a cycle hater who wants to kill off as many as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: timboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>timboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen

&#039;if youre really going fast (and surely that would be one of the greatest pleasures of it when conditions allow as its basically a track racing bike), wouldnt the absence of coasting mean that your feet are going up and down comically and uncomfortably fast - I wouldnt find that a particularly good feel&#039;

It&#039;s a flow thing- the feeling of perpetual motion is just as enjoyable as coasting. 

That is the meditative quality of a fixed gear bike- after a while spinning becomes natural. 

You vary your leg speed, rather than changing gears. 

And if you&#039;re legs are going to fast, a gentle touch on the brakes will slow you down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen</p>
<p>&#8216;if youre really going fast (and surely that would be one of the greatest pleasures of it when conditions allow as its basically a track racing bike), wouldnt the absence of coasting mean that your feet are going up and down comically and uncomfortably fast &#8211; I wouldnt find that a particularly good feel&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a flow thing- the feeling of perpetual motion is just as enjoyable as coasting. </p>
<p>That is the meditative quality of a fixed gear bike- after a while spinning becomes natural. </p>
<p>You vary your leg speed, rather than changing gears. </p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re legs are going to fast, a gentle touch on the brakes will slow you down.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inner north of Melbourne is pretty good. Dedicated paths are thin on the ground, but most streets have a cycle lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inner north of Melbourne is pretty good. Dedicated paths are thin on the ground, but most streets have a cycle lane.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, some (actually most) areas are worse than others.  The areas with the odd cycling path are seeing fairly significant increases in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bv.com.au/change-the-world/40905/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;numbers and mode share&lt;/a&gt;.  Having said that, there isn&#039;t much direction in terms of what role cycling might have in the transport system, and cycling consistently loses out when you have a choice between cycling and cars on the road (at intersections for example).  Changing things takes time though.  Retro-fitting places for cycling won&#039;t happen unless the relevant people see some need for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, some (actually most) areas are worse than others.  The areas with the odd cycling path are seeing fairly significant increases in <a href="http://www.bv.com.au/change-the-world/40905/" rel="nofollow">numbers and mode share</a>.  Having said that, there isn&#8217;t much direction in terms of what role cycling might have in the transport system, and cycling consistently loses out when you have a choice between cycling and cars on the road (at intersections for example).  Changing things takes time though.  Retro-fitting places for cycling won&#8217;t happen unless the relevant people see some need for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken

The weather here is a little less trust worthy in some ways. I could imagine the evenings and early morn to be great weather to use a bike in Darwin.

Melbourne is coldish in winter morns, quite windy and the threat of the rain cloud is always there although with the permanent drought it may be worthwhile taking your chances.

It&#039;s also a bigger city and and a longer ride than Darwin.

Having said that I know a several execs who bike to work every day. Don&#039;t know much about the northern burbs, but there are lots of bike tracks from the south leading to the city and some good rides along the river too.

I&#039;m sorta suprised you say that about Melb. I&#039;ve lived back here for about 4 years now and the thing that struck me about this place was the number of bike riders out there with the latest spivvy Italian riding customes and 10 grand bikes. Get the colors and testicle choking tights right and you&#039;ll get into the swing of things down here in no time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken</p>
<p>The weather here is a little less trust worthy in some ways. I could imagine the evenings and early morn to be great weather to use a bike in Darwin.</p>
<p>Melbourne is coldish in winter morns, quite windy and the threat of the rain cloud is always there although with the permanent drought it may be worthwhile taking your chances.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a bigger city and and a longer ride than Darwin.</p>
<p>Having said that I know a several execs who bike to work every day. Don&#8217;t know much about the northern burbs, but there are lots of bike tracks from the south leading to the city and some good rides along the river too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorta suprised you say that about Melb. I&#8217;ve lived back here for about 4 years now and the thing that struck me about this place was the number of bike riders out there with the latest spivvy Italian riding customes and 10 grand bikes. Get the colors and testicle choking tights right and you&#8217;ll get into the swing of things down here in no time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of derailing this thread from a completely different tangent than my previous low-rent comments, one thing I particularly noted while in Melbourne last week was the almost complete absence of cycle paths (except around the waterfront from Port Melbourne to Brighton etc).

Here in Darwin, both Jen and I cycle to work most days, do the shopping on our pushies and even ride into the city and back at night to see movies, theatre or go out to a restaurant.  In fact we don&#039;t use our cars much at all.  We can do that comfortably here because of the extensive network of cycle paths. You seldom need to ride on the road.  No such network exists in Melbourne (or Sydney for that matter), even though the terrain is just as flat as Darwin.  I wouldn&#039;t even consider using a bike as my standard means of transportation in Melbourne.  The traffic is terrifyingly dense for anyone with a greater level of commonsense and self-preservation than the average twenty-something dickhead with delusions of immortality.

Seems to me that this is a much more important issue to discuss than the alleged esoteric delights of &quot;fixies&quot;.  What with global warming, rising fuel costs etc, cycling would be a viable even preferable mode of primary transportation in a city like Melbourne if someone had the initiative to begin constructing a decent network of cycle paths.  I hope someone starts doing it soon.  Melbourne is so progressive and people-friendly in so many other respects (compared with Sydney anyway).  We&#039;re seriously thinking of moving to Melbourne in a year or so, and I don&#039;t really want to give up or drastically curtail my cycling habit. It&#039;s the only thing that stops me getting even fatter than I already am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of derailing this thread from a completely different tangent than my previous low-rent comments, one thing I particularly noted while in Melbourne last week was the almost complete absence of cycle paths (except around the waterfront from Port Melbourne to Brighton etc).</p>
<p>Here in Darwin, both Jen and I cycle to work most days, do the shopping on our pushies and even ride into the city and back at night to see movies, theatre or go out to a restaurant.  In fact we don&#8217;t use our cars much at all.  We can do that comfortably here because of the extensive network of cycle paths. You seldom need to ride on the road.  No such network exists in Melbourne (or Sydney for that matter), even though the terrain is just as flat as Darwin.  I wouldn&#8217;t even consider using a bike as my standard means of transportation in Melbourne.  The traffic is terrifyingly dense for anyone with a greater level of commonsense and self-preservation than the average twenty-something dickhead with delusions of immortality.</p>
<p>Seems to me that this is a much more important issue to discuss than the alleged esoteric delights of &#8220;fixies&#8221;.  What with global warming, rising fuel costs etc, cycling would be a viable even preferable mode of primary transportation in a city like Melbourne if someone had the initiative to begin constructing a decent network of cycle paths.  I hope someone starts doing it soon.  Melbourne is so progressive and people-friendly in so many other respects (compared with Sydney anyway).  We&#8217;re seriously thinking of moving to Melbourne in a year or so, and I don&#8217;t really want to give up or drastically curtail my cycling habit. It&#8217;s the only thing that stops me getting even fatter than I already am.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197271</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen, I&#039;m with you - and James.  The whole thing is seriously weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen, I&#8217;m with you &#8211; and James.  The whole thing is seriously weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197267</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Not everyone who rides a fixed gear bike does so without brakes- very few do. 

No other bikes feel as smooth as riding a fixed gear, no road or geared bike can even come close.
&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve been reading some of the articles Don has linked to and they all talk about the sensuality and &quot;feel&quot; of a fixie. Something I don&#039;t understand though: if you&#039;re really going fast (and surely that would be one of the greatest pleasures of it when conditions allow as it&#039;s basically a track racing bike), wouldn&#039;t the absence of coasting mean that your feet are going up and down comically and uncomfortably fast - I wouldn&#039;t find that a particularly good &quot;feel&quot;. Is there something I&#039;m not getting here (seeing as I&#039;ve never ridden a fixie and would probably never get up much speed on one.)

With the normal kind of bike, I really enjoy the coasting with that gentle buzz/clicking of the freewheel - it&#039;s a lovely sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Not everyone who rides a fixed gear bike does so without brakes- very few do. </p>
<p>No other bikes feel as smooth as riding a fixed gear, no road or geared bike can even come close.<br />
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<p>I&#8217;ve been reading some of the articles Don has linked to and they all talk about the sensuality and &#8220;feel&#8221; of a fixie. Something I don&#8217;t understand though: if you&#8217;re really going fast (and surely that would be one of the greatest pleasures of it when conditions allow as it&#8217;s basically a track racing bike), wouldn&#8217;t the absence of coasting mean that your feet are going up and down comically and uncomfortably fast &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t find that a particularly good &#8220;feel&#8221;. Is there something I&#8217;m not getting here (seeing as I&#8217;ve never ridden a fixie and would probably never get up much speed on one.)</p>
<p>With the normal kind of bike, I really enjoy the coasting with that gentle buzz/clicking of the freewheel &#8211; it&#8217;s a lovely sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very James Lee Burke FXH.  Nice.</description>
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		<title>By: timboy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197229</link>
		<dc:creator>timboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everyone who rides a fixed gear bike does so without brakes- very few do. 

No other bikes feel as smooth as riding a fixed gear, no road or geared bike can even come close.

But of course there is a massive poser thing going on.

I just wish rich middle aged men stopped buying bikes and forcing prices to stratospheric levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone who rides a fixed gear bike does so without brakes- very few do. </p>
<p>No other bikes feel as smooth as riding a fixed gear, no road or geared bike can even come close.</p>
<p>But of course there is a massive poser thing going on.</p>
<p>I just wish rich middle aged men stopped buying bikes and forcing prices to stratospheric levels.</p>
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		<title>By: ke</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197186</link>
		<dc:creator>ke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, imagine he took the seat off his bike and then sat on the tube.</description>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197167</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The broken limbs never bothered us just as we never bothered the shower, the soap or the comb. Neither did gravel rashes dent our passion although crotch rashes certainly did. I gave it away cold turkey with the help of a kindly but fierce defrocked catholic priest then I lost touch with nabs one day when he rode up a small garbage lane, around a corner and out of sight. 

Now I pootle around with on a straight commercial middle range unit with a rack, panniers, yellow safety jacket and lights and bell. I wear metal clips around my strides or tuck my trousers into my socks. I stop at lights and the only risk I take nowadays is wearing a T-shirt I made myself inscribed &quot;One Less Fixie&quot;. Depending on the demand I might start selling them from my website www.mildly.critical.mass.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The broken limbs never bothered us just as we never bothered the shower, the soap or the comb. Neither did gravel rashes dent our passion although crotch rashes certainly did. I gave it away cold turkey with the help of a kindly but fierce defrocked catholic priest then I lost touch with nabs one day when he rode up a small garbage lane, around a corner and out of sight. </p>
<p>Now I pootle around with on a straight commercial middle range unit with a rack, panniers, yellow safety jacket and lights and bell. I wear metal clips around my strides or tuck my trousers into my socks. I stop at lights and the only risk I take nowadays is wearing a T-shirt I made myself inscribed &#8220;One Less Fixie&#8221;. Depending on the demand I might start selling them from my website <a href="http://www.mildly.critical.mass.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.mildly.critical.mass.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197166</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole bike courier fixed wheel thing is sooo late 2005. Good god nabakov and myself used to ride around the cbd in early 2003/2004 with fixed wheels no brakes (no breaks) with christ like nails holding our dunlop volleys to the eggbeater pedals. We searched the world to buy merino wool jerseys that fitted like a japanese condom on john holmes. Our patched 3/4 length woollen combat pants only required washing every week or so and we practically invented cards in the spokes. Our tribal tatts were the envy of all. Scooting up and down collins st, sans brakes, helmetless, with our dreads tucked up under our woollen beanies, we&#039;d sneer at the suits and cubicle monkeys crossing WITH the lights and wed dream of getting to nyc just to ride the wrong way up a one way street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole bike courier fixed wheel thing is sooo late 2005. Good god nabakov and myself used to ride around the cbd in early 2003/2004 with fixed wheels no brakes (no breaks) with christ like nails holding our dunlop volleys to the eggbeater pedals. We searched the world to buy merino wool jerseys that fitted like a japanese condom on john holmes. Our patched 3/4 length woollen combat pants only required washing every week or so and we practically invented cards in the spokes. Our tribal tatts were the envy of all. Scooting up and down collins st, sans brakes, helmetless, with our dreads tucked up under our woollen beanies, we&#8217;d sneer at the suits and cubicle monkeys crossing WITH the lights and wed dream of getting to nyc just to ride the wrong way up a one way street.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197164</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test from IE</description>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197161</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197138</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still want to know how that bloke managed to pork his bike???</description>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2007/10/28/men-with-bad-knees-on-bikes-without-brakes/#comment-197128</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Im presuming its just like the bikes kids start out on - no brakes just back pedal to stop.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, those bikes had brakes in the hub. On a fixie you are the brake. How are them knees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Im presuming its just like the bikes kids start out on &#8211; no brakes just back pedal to stop.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, those bikes had brakes in the hub. On a fixie you are the brake. How are them knees?</p>
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