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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully Ramos-Horta will make a full recovery. Good post Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully Ramos-Horta will make a full recovery. Good post Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/02/12/reaping-the-whirlwind/#comment-236896</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post Ken. 

It would be interesting to see if the allegations of UN troops being somewhat slack on the job when the shootings occurred are also true (me thinks yes...but could there also be some pay off involved?)  Conspiracies conspiracies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post Ken. </p>
<p>It would be interesting to see if the allegations of UN troops being somewhat slack on the job when the shootings occurred are also true (me thinks yes&#8230;but could there also be some pay off involved?)  Conspiracies conspiracies.</p>
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		<title>By: EVENTS IN TIMOR LESTE &#171; DUCKPOND</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/02/12/reaping-the-whirlwind/#comment-236893</link>
		<dc:creator>EVENTS IN TIMOR LESTE &#171; DUCKPOND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] susceptible to physical attack, but when a person is president who is there to tell me what to do. Despite what Ken Parish suggests, who otherwise no doubt is correct about the necessary application of the rule of law, there was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] susceptible to physical attack, but when a person is president who is there to tell me what to do. Despite what Ken Parish suggests, who otherwise no doubt is correct about the necessary application of the rule of law, there was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly good background Ken but perhaps cold comfort knowing we traded away a perfectly good oil treaty to try and make sense of baffling sagas as they say. Certainly noone could accuse Oz foreign policy of being all about oil now thank goodness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly good background Ken but perhaps cold comfort knowing we traded away a perfectly good oil treaty to try and make sense of baffling sagas as they say. Certainly noone could accuse Oz foreign policy of being all about oil now thank goodness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks James.  I&#039;m afraid it doesn&#039;t really make sense to me, though.  Nor to veteran Australian diplomat James Dunn, who said as much on TV tonight.

Why did Reinado launch a coup attempt and try to kill both Horta and Gusmao?  You can certainly understand his strategy up to that point.  By manoeuvring himself into a position as commander of the leaderless rabble of petitioners, he hoped eventually to garner enough bargaining power to cut himself a deal and win a pardon from the government despite the seriousness of the charges he faced.  That strategy wasn&#039;t getting anywhere, according to Neil Campbell&#039;s article, because Horta and Gusmao remained determined to deal separately with the rebel soldiers and Reinado i.e. they wanted to cut a deal to bring the petitioners back into the fold, but they weren&#039;t going to cut a deal with Reinado.  Hence Reinado&#039;s increasingly bellicose rhetoric, in web postings and otherwise.

However, it&#039;s a long stretch from that sort of frustrated tactical manouevring, and something as desperate and seemingly pointless as a coup attempt.  What could Reinado have hoped to achieve, with the Australian and other forces there to ensure that he could not be in a position to actually sieze political power himself?

I&#039;ve been puzzling about this all day. The only scenario that makes any sense at all is if Reinado had cut a secret deal with Fretilin powerbrokers, that if he succeeded in bumping off Fretilin&#039;s hated rivals in Horta and Gusmao, he would be rewarded with a pardon.  After all, with Horta and Gusmao dead, the only coherent political force remaining in the country would have been Fretilin.  The UN may well have had no choice but to acquiesce in the formation of an all-party government of national reconciliation, which would certainly have been Fretilin-dominated.

It may seem like a bizarre conspiracy theory, but in East Timor bizarre conspiracies are often true.  However, with Reinado dead we&#039;ll probably never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks James.  I&#8217;m afraid it doesn&#8217;t really make sense to me, though.  Nor to veteran Australian diplomat James Dunn, who said as much on TV tonight.</p>
<p>Why did Reinado launch a coup attempt and try to kill both Horta and Gusmao?  You can certainly understand his strategy up to that point.  By manoeuvring himself into a position as commander of the leaderless rabble of petitioners, he hoped eventually to garner enough bargaining power to cut himself a deal and win a pardon from the government despite the seriousness of the charges he faced.  That strategy wasn&#8217;t getting anywhere, according to Neil Campbell&#8217;s article, because Horta and Gusmao remained determined to deal separately with the rebel soldiers and Reinado i.e. they wanted to cut a deal to bring the petitioners back into the fold, but they weren&#8217;t going to cut a deal with Reinado.  Hence Reinado&#8217;s increasingly bellicose rhetoric, in web postings and otherwise.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s a long stretch from that sort of frustrated tactical manouevring, and something as desperate and seemingly pointless as a coup attempt.  What could Reinado have hoped to achieve, with the Australian and other forces there to ensure that he could not be in a position to actually sieze political power himself?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been puzzling about this all day. The only scenario that makes any sense at all is if Reinado had cut a secret deal with Fretilin powerbrokers, that if he succeeded in bumping off Fretilin&#8217;s hated rivals in Horta and Gusmao, he would be rewarded with a pardon.  After all, with Horta and Gusmao dead, the only coherent political force remaining in the country would have been Fretilin.  The UN may well have had no choice but to acquiesce in the formation of an all-party government of national reconciliation, which would certainly have been Fretilin-dominated.</p>
<p>It may seem like a bizarre conspiracy theory, but in East Timor bizarre conspiracies are often true.  However, with Reinado dead we&#8217;ll probably never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx for the post Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx for the post Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ken, for helping to make sense of this baffling saga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ken, for helping to make sense of this baffling saga.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bit that really cracks ne up is that with the Canadians threatening to pull out of the graveyard of empires, through a distinct lack of enthusiastic empires and now us stuck with the Indo&#039;s perennial problem, Iraqis are now turning on AQ and we&#039;re pissing off. You couldn&#039;t make this stuff up if your surname was Brooks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bit that really cracks ne up is that with the Canadians threatening to pull out of the graveyard of empires, through a distinct lack of enthusiastic empires and now us stuck with the Indo&#8217;s perennial problem, Iraqis are now turning on AQ and we&#8217;re pissing off. You couldn&#8217;t make this stuff up if your surname was Brooks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/02/12/reaping-the-whirlwind/#comment-236826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>observa;

Having F-111s near to hand also helped the cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>observa;</p>
<p>Having F-111s near to hand also helped the cause.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
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		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re only just beginning to appreciate why the Indos gave up ET without a shot fired in anger. You want them you silly skips, then you&#039;re welcome to them. Byeeee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re only just beginning to appreciate why the Indos gave up ET without a shot fired in anger. You want them you silly skips, then you&#8217;re welcome to them. Byeeee!</p>
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