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		<title>By: Andrew Leigh</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-246553</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only once attempted to have an error corrected in the SMH. It wasn&#039;t a major issue (they&#039;d omitted to mention a coauthor&#039;s name), but their response was that they didn&#039;t think it was worth printing a correction, and would fix up the online version (they didn&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only once attempted to have an error corrected in the SMH. It wasn&#8217;t a major issue (they&#8217;d omitted to mention a coauthor&#8217;s name), but their response was that they didn&#8217;t think it was worth printing a correction, and would fix up the online version (they didn&#8217;t).</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-246403</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the interests of full media disclosure...in all mediums, I should point that Jage is also John Greenfield, Harried Hermonie and Leftist Queers. Basically you have to wonder why anyone of good faith would need to fly so many false flags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the interests of full media disclosure&#8230;in all mediums, I should point that Jage is also John Greenfield, Harried Hermonie and Leftist Queers. Basically you have to wonder why anyone of good faith would need to fly so many false flags.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-246373</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Nick, the reason you don&#039;t want to be called embattled is presumably because you don&#039;t want to be &quot;beset with criticism&quot;.  Surely it would be worse to be called &quot;the widely-criticised Opposition leader&quot;?  &#039;Embattled&#039; at least conveys some sort of sense that he is being criticised for everything he does, regardless of whether it&#039;s justified or not.  At least that&#039;s my take - for whatever reason most of the time I&#039;ve read or heard of Nelson in the news recently I&#039;ve tended to feel a little sorry for him! (not something I could ever say about his predecessor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Nick, the reason you don&#8217;t want to be called embattled is presumably because you don&#8217;t want to be &#8220;beset with criticism&#8221;.  Surely it would be worse to be called &#8220;the widely-criticised Opposition leader&#8221;?  &#8216;Embattled&#8217; at least conveys some sort of sense that he is being criticised for everything he does, regardless of whether it&#8217;s justified or not.  At least that&#8217;s my take &#8211; for whatever reason most of the time I&#8217;ve read or heard of Nelson in the news recently I&#8217;ve tended to feel a little sorry for him! (not something I could ever say about his predecessor).</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-246371</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just from the Australian&#039;s online headline articles today:

&quot;Vaile&#039;s moonlighting&quot;.  Moonlighting is surely spin, and strongly suggests disapproval.

&quot;...the Government has forced the industry to accept slightly lower rises than sought&quot;

...they held guns to their heads?  The actual article then states &quot;the Government had negotiated the hikes down to an average of 4.99 per cent&quot;.  But &#039;forced&#039; is obviously far more dramatic than &#039;negotiated&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just from the Australian&#8217;s online headline articles today:</p>
<p>&#8220;Vaile&#8217;s moonlighting&#8221;.  Moonlighting is surely spin, and strongly suggests disapproval.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the Government has forced the industry to accept slightly lower rises than sought&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;they held guns to their heads?  The actual article then states &#8220;the Government had negotiated the hikes down to an average of 4.99 per cent&#8221;.  But &#8216;forced&#8217; is obviously far more dramatic than &#8216;negotiated&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-246194</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No wonder Fairfax - like the ABC - has become irrelevant in national debates, leaving the field solely to The Australian.&quot;

That&#039;s the funniest thing I&#039;ve seen this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No wonder Fairfax &#8211; like the ABC &#8211; has become irrelevant in national debates, leaving the field solely to The Australian.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the funniest thing I&#8217;ve seen this week.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245906</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;HONEST PRESENTATION
Staff will present pictures and sound that are true and accurate. They will disclose manipulation that could mislead.&lt;/i&gt;

This one is reasonably clear to me, and it doesn&#039;t involve quibbling over whether particular adjectives accurately describe the opposition leader.

It means that when a politician says &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;something like this&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and &lt;b&gt;he wouldn&#039;t let them in&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then there&#039;s an obligation on the journalist to report that the politician&#039;s statement is objectively false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>HONEST PRESENTATION<br />
Staff will present pictures and sound that are true and accurate. They will disclose manipulation that could mislead.</i></p>
<p>This one is reasonably clear to me, and it doesn&#8217;t involve quibbling over whether particular adjectives accurately describe the opposition leader.</p>
<p>It means that when a politician says <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030714-3.html">something like this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and <b>he wouldn&#8217;t let them in</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then there&#8217;s an obligation on the journalist to report that the politician&#8217;s statement is objectively false.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245905</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point on this is that, on a literal interpetation, the SMH Code would appear to prohibit fairly basic journalistic practices like running stories on &quot;background&quot; from an &quot;informed source&quot; or totally &quot;off the record&quot;.  I suspect that few stories would ever be broken if these sorts of protections weren&#039;t offered to leakers, and I&#039;d be astounded if SMH journos don&#039;t still offer them if asked as a matter of course.  I guess there&#039;s nothing wrong per se with an aspirational ethical code, but it might be more effective if it was less mealy-mouthed and more closely anchored in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point on this is that, on a literal interpetation, the SMH Code would appear to prohibit fairly basic journalistic practices like running stories on &#8220;background&#8221; from an &#8220;informed source&#8221; or totally &#8220;off the record&#8221;.  I suspect that few stories would ever be broken if these sorts of protections weren&#8217;t offered to leakers, and I&#8217;d be astounded if SMH journos don&#8217;t still offer them if asked as a matter of course.  I guess there&#8217;s nothing wrong per se with an aspirational ethical code, but it might be more effective if it was less mealy-mouthed and more closely anchored in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245900</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, my example was a bad one.  I&#039;ve certainly seen ABC news stories along the lines of &quot;to shore up his position with voters, the embattled PM announced water reform today&quot; or words along those lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, my example was a bad one.  I&#8217;ve certainly seen ABC news stories along the lines of &#8220;to shore up his position with voters, the embattled PM announced water reform today&#8221; or words along those lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245882</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245880</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is exactly why this stuff will never be eliminated.  There will always be someone happy to argue however implausibly that blatant political spin is &quot;objective&quot;; indeed the core biased readership (the marshmallow left for Fiarfax and the complacent right for Murdoch) mostly really believe that pejorative adjectival labelling is just stating self-evident truth and therefore no cause for concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is exactly why this stuff will never be eliminated.  There will always be someone happy to argue however implausibly that blatant political spin is &#8220;objective&#8221;; indeed the core biased readership (the marshmallow left for Fiarfax and the complacent right for Murdoch) mostly really believe that pejorative adjectival labelling is just stating self-evident truth and therefore no cause for concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245878</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPOV, if I were the Opposition Leader I wouldn&#039;t want to be described as &#039;embattled&#039;.  In any event, the point is that adjectives frame the whole story.  An &#039;embattled&#039; Opposition leader is on the defensive.  A &#039;rattled&#039; Opposition Leader or PM likewise.  So it&#039;s subtle commentary - and because of its subtlety is often more powerful than more overt commentary. But &#039;embattled&#039; is not as good an example as some.  It&#039;s quite common for instance for a story - a news story - to begin with with some pre-emptive interpretation.  &quot;In an effort to shore up his backbench, embattled leader called for unity&quot;.  As opposed to &quot;the leader called for unity&quot;. This kind of thing is common on the ABC as well.  I&#039;m not accusing the SMH of it - because I&#039;ve not got an example of it, but I&#039;d be surprised if one couldn&#039;t be found relatively easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPOV, if I were the Opposition Leader I wouldn&#8217;t want to be described as &#8216;embattled&#8217;.  In any event, the point is that adjectives frame the whole story.  An &#8216;embattled&#8217; Opposition leader is on the defensive.  A &#8216;rattled&#8217; Opposition Leader or PM likewise.  So it&#8217;s subtle commentary &#8211; and because of its subtlety is often more powerful than more overt commentary. But &#8216;embattled&#8217; is not as good an example as some.  It&#8217;s quite common for instance for a story &#8211; a news story &#8211; to begin with with some pre-emptive interpretation.  &#8220;In an effort to shore up his backbench, embattled leader called for unity&#8221;.  As opposed to &#8220;the leader called for unity&#8221;. This kind of thing is common on the ABC as well.  I&#8217;m not accusing the SMH of it &#8211; because I&#8217;ve not got an example of it, but I&#8217;d be surprised if one couldn&#8217;t be found relatively easily.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245875</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embattled just means &quot;Beset with attackers, criticism&quot;.  That&#039;s a pretty objective statement.  If anything it tends to arouse sympathy.  Based on the use of the word, do you consider the writer prejudiced &lt;em&gt;towards&lt;/em&gt; Nelson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embattled just means &#8220;Beset with attackers, criticism&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a pretty objective statement.  If anything it tends to arouse sympathy.  Based on the use of the word, do you consider the writer prejudiced <em>towards</em> Nelson?</p>
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		<title>By: The Worst of Perth</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/03/05/journalistic-ethics/#comment-245823</link>
		<dc:creator>The Worst of Perth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a joke surely? The fact that they sent it to you rather than deliver it face to face is because one or both of you would have burst out laughing? C&#039;mon, where&#039;s the real one?
The Worst of Perth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a joke surely? The fact that they sent it to you rather than deliver it face to face is because one or both of you would have burst out laughing? C&#8217;mon, where&#8217;s the real one?<br />
The Worst of Perth</p>
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