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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Le sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263933</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think in this case the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate where on that blog there is solid evidence that the entire report was a fraud (that apparently managed to fool many of the world's top statisticians and epidemiologists).  The particular discussion you linked to wasn't about the original report at all, as far as I could tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think in this case the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate where on that blog there is solid evidence that the entire report was a fraud (that apparently managed to fool many of the world&#8217;s top statisticians and epidemiologists).  The particular discussion you linked to wasn&#8217;t about the original report at all, as far as I could tell.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263921</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?

Read the blog link i left and tell me where there are the weak spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?</p>
<p>Read the blog link i left and tell me where there are the weak spots.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263916</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jc, surely it seems a little unlikely a journal is going to risk the integrity and reputation of its peer-review program for the political ambitions of a single man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jc, surely it seems a little unlikely a journal is going to risk the integrity and reputation of its peer-review program for the political ambitions of a single man?</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263908</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop trollong Gus.

Les Roberts is a poltical operator running for Congress on an anti-war ticket. Lancet is likely to be a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop trollong Gus.</p>
<p>Les Roberts is a poltical operator running for Congress on an anti-war ticket. Lancet is likely to be a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: gustov_deleft</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263896</link>
		<dc:creator>gustov_deleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The study is as dead as a door-nail. Debunked. Kaput. Ka-splat. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes certainly highly skilled statisticians like Michelle Malkin (lol) and other right-wing pundits have 'debunked' the Lancet numbers.  I think that you're right to rely on their expertise, and ignore those pesky epidemiologists - you know, the ones that publish in peer reviewed journals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The study is as dead as a door-nail. Debunked. Kaput. Ka-splat. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes certainly highly skilled statisticians like Michelle Malkin (lol) and other right-wing pundits have &#8216;debunked&#8217; the Lancet numbers.  I think that you&#8217;re right to rely on their expertise, and ignore those pesky epidemiologists - you know, the ones that publish in peer reviewed journals.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263892</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a whole series of good pieces CL. It basically shows how it is a fraud and why people shouldn't be sucked in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a whole series of good pieces CL. It basically shows how it is a fraud and why people shouldn&#8217;t be sucked in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this thread turns into another tedious AGW or Iraq bunfight, it will be with a heavy heart and rapid mouseclick that I will close it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this thread turns into another tedious AGW or Iraq bunfight, it will be with a heavy heart and rapid mouseclick that I will close it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263777</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as, in a dispute between a 13 year old and NASA scientists about asteroid orbits smart money is on NASA, in a dispute between JC's hedge fund manager and epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins about epidemiology, the samrt money is on the epidemiologists.

And if JC has a tennis match against a professional tennis player, I'd bet on the pro.

Though he would do better than CL, who wouldn't actually swing at the ball and just declare himself the winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as, in a dispute between a 13 year old and NASA scientists about asteroid orbits smart money is on NASA, in a dispute between JC&#8217;s hedge fund manager and epidemiologists from Johns Hopkins about epidemiology, the samrt money is on the epidemiologists.</p>
<p>And if JC has a tennis match against a professional tennis player, I&#8217;d bet on the pro.</p>
<p>Though he would do better than CL, who wouldn&#8217;t actually swing at the ball and just declare himself the winner.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263762</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CL

You may be interested in this blog set up by a hedge fund manager who's made the Lancet survey (and unmasking some of the possible sleazy things they've done) his past time.

http://lancetiraq.blogspot.com/2008/04/sleazy-switcheroo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL</p>
<p>You may be interested in this blog set up by a hedge fund manager who&#8217;s made the Lancet survey (and unmasking some of the possible sleazy things they&#8217;ve done) his past time.</p>
<p><a href="http://lancetiraq.blogspot.com/2008/04/sleazy-switcheroo.html" >http://lancetiraq.blogspot.com/2008/04/sleazy-switcheroo.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263728</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study is as dead as a door-nail. Debunked. Kaput. Ka-splat. 

Lambert maintained a faith-based belief in it till the end.

Why? Because he hates Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study is as dead as a door-nail. Debunked. Kaput. Ka-splat. </p>
<p>Lambert maintained a faith-based belief in it till the end.</p>
<p>Why? Because he hates Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: gustov_deleft</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263640</link>
		<dc:creator>gustov_deleft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sounds like the Lancet/press modus operandi. Tim Lambert must know how the youngster feels, having embarrassed himself by supporting those numbers - which are now thoroughly debunked.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As much as I hesitate at feeding the troll, his 'argument' about the lancet study of excess Iraqi deaths being 'debunked' is a lie - but I'm sure the troll already knew that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sounds like the Lancet/press modus operandi. Tim Lambert must know how the youngster feels, having embarrassed himself by supporting those numbers - which are now thoroughly debunked.</p></blockquote>
<p>As much as I hesitate at feeding the troll, his &#8216;argument&#8217; about the lancet study of excess Iraqi deaths being &#8216;debunked&#8217; is a lie - but I&#8217;m sure the troll already knew that.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263618</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the Lancet/press &lt;i&gt;modus operandi&lt;/i&gt;. Tim Lambert must know how the youngster feels, having embarrassed himself by supporting those numbers - which are now thoroughly debunked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the Lancet/press <i>modus operandi</i>. Tim Lambert must know how the youngster feels, having embarrassed himself by supporting those numbers - which are now thoroughly debunked.</p>
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		<title>By: Marks</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263534</link>
		<dc:creator>Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living North of the Berrimah Line, I liked the box about the NT News, cyclones and crocodiles.

Similarly in the world stage, the great tragedy of Princess Diana's death was that journalists the world over lost the great deadline standby of a story on whatever "Di" was doing at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living North of the Berrimah Line, I liked the box about the NT News, cyclones and crocodiles.</p>
<p>Similarly in the world stage, the great tragedy of Princess Diana&#8217;s death was that journalists the world over lost the great deadline standby of a story on whatever &#8220;Di&#8221; was doing at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/04/18/club-meh/#comment-263177</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the daily recipient of press releases from charming people, I am very used to the "two admiring quotes attributed to the boss who has somehow eaten a thesaurus" approach. It has only just occurred to me that press releases are not actually an attempt to con me into putting shoddy copy into our newsletter. They are really a cry for help. 

Every year, universities all round Australia churn out journalists. Very few of them actually practice their craft - most of them end up in PR. The system ends up teaching ethics and scepticism to people who only want to subvert them. 

From memory, Peter Pockley cited the figures for science journalism around five years ago. 140 people employed to spin science news; a total of four dedicated science journalists in the whole country.

I've been on an industry advisory board for a master's program in journalism, among other topics. I couldn't get an agenda item about teaching real reporting - the time was taken up discussing units on public relations and crisis management. And they were happily setting up satellite programs in a variety of Asian countries including Singapore and Hong Kong. At the time, it seemed to me that this was simply arrogant, given that we knew very little about the cultures. 

Now that I've been told about the working conditions of real journalists at a local level in some parts of the region, teaching the tricks of news management to their aspiring technocrats seems nothing short of vile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the daily recipient of press releases from charming people, I am very used to the &#8220;two admiring quotes attributed to the boss who has somehow eaten a thesaurus&#8221; approach. It has only just occurred to me that press releases are not actually an attempt to con me into putting shoddy copy into our newsletter. They are really a cry for help. </p>
<p>Every year, universities all round Australia churn out journalists. Very few of them actually practice their craft - most of them end up in PR. The system ends up teaching ethics and scepticism to people who only want to subvert them. </p>
<p>From memory, Peter Pockley cited the figures for science journalism around five years ago. 140 people employed to spin science news; a total of four dedicated science journalists in the whole country.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on an industry advisory board for a master&#8217;s program in journalism, among other topics. I couldn&#8217;t get an agenda item about teaching real reporting - the time was taken up discussing units on public relations and crisis management. And they were happily setting up satellite programs in a variety of Asian countries including Singapore and Hong Kong. At the time, it seemed to me that this was simply arrogant, given that we knew very little about the cultures. </p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve been told about the working conditions of real journalists at a local level in some parts of the region, teaching the tricks of news management to their aspiring technocrats seems nothing short of vile.</p>
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