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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269430</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the school school"

should read

"the school social"

As the eternal refrain of my school reports put it "...more attention to detail needed...should not blog drunk, etc, etc"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the school school&#8221;</p>
<p>should read</p>
<p>&#8220;the school social&#8221;</p>
<p>As the eternal refrain of my school reports put it &#8220;&#8230;more attention to detail needed&#8230;should not blog drunk, etc, etc&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269359</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I still maintain the position that we should always stick with attacking bloggers’ or commenters’ arguments "

Oh I fully agree. Except in the case of Homer Punxton.

But whatcha going do in the case of someone who has no arguments? Only a pathological hatred of "luvvies" combined with a totally luvvie attitude. 

A good blog is like a good pub. And no one likes their local invaded by that little attention-seeking dork with the emotional intelligence of a yabby that turned up on his own to the school school with a half a bottle of creme de menthe, spent the night in a corner sneering at everyone else, then threw up on his rented frilly tux, got cleaned up by a teacher and then tried to pass it off for the rest of the term as a "statement".

Someone once said that everyone you meet in life is basically a variation on the 30 or so archetypes you encountered at school. I remember the likes of John Luvviefield from way back then. The kinda of wannabe teacher's pet that even the teachers didn't want as a pet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still maintain the position that we should always stick with attacking bloggers’ or commenters’ arguments &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh I fully agree. Except in the case of Homer Punxton.</p>
<p>But whatcha going do in the case of someone who has no arguments? Only a pathological hatred of &#8220;luvvies&#8221; combined with a totally luvvie attitude. </p>
<p>A good blog is like a good pub. And no one likes their local invaded by that little attention-seeking dork with the emotional intelligence of a yabby that turned up on his own to the school school with a half a bottle of creme de menthe, spent the night in a corner sneering at everyone else, then threw up on his rented frilly tux, got cleaned up by a teacher and then tried to pass it off for the rest of the term as a &#8220;statement&#8221;.</p>
<p>Someone once said that everyone you meet in life is basically a variation on the 30 or so archetypes you encountered at school. I remember the likes of John Luvviefield from way back then. The kinda of wannabe teacher&#8217;s pet that even the teachers didn&#8217;t want as a pet.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269313</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 10:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wassamadda Jason? Strike a nerve, did I :) You're transparent, you lot. Oh, what gives you the idea I follow a wiccan treatise? You oughtn't to make claims you can't substantiate, y'know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wassamadda Jason? Strike a nerve, did I <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> You&#8217;re transparent, you lot. Oh, what gives you the idea I follow a wiccan treatise? You oughtn&#8217;t to make claims you can&#8217;t substantiate, y&#8217;know</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269235</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 05:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I scanned through some of them, but the point of the google suggestion was just to demonstrate that there are people who have promoted the idea of "voluntary communism".  I don't personally see why it needs intellectual justification, anymore than any voluntary group-based lifestyle that doesn't violate basic human rights.  Anyway, it's not something that interests me greatly - I was just wondering why you found "people that believe in communism" so objectionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scanned through some of them, but the point of the google suggestion was just to demonstrate that there are people who have promoted the idea of &#8220;voluntary communism&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t personally see why it needs intellectual justification, anymore than any voluntary group-based lifestyle that doesn&#8217;t violate basic human rights.  Anyway, it&#8217;s not something that interests me greatly - I was just wondering why you found &#8220;people that believe in communism&#8221; so objectionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269229</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read any of the first 10 hits from that google???</description>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269228</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's ok Patrick - I don't have any sympathy for the idea that it's based on "intellectual delusions".  If it's something that a group of people volunteer to take part in, because they enjoy the result, then what's to argue against?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s ok Patrick - I don&#8217;t have any sympathy for the idea that it&#8217;s based on &#8220;intellectual delusions&#8221;.  If it&#8217;s something that a group of people volunteer to take part in, because they enjoy the result, then what&#8217;s to argue against?</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269227</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanting to work or live in a Communist organisation is no more or no less objectionable than wanting to work or live in a Nazi or Fascist organisation. They are all travelling down the same evil path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanting to work or live in a Communist organisation is no more or no less objectionable than wanting to work or live in a Nazi or Fascist organisation. They are all travelling down the same evil path.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269226</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Jason, it wasn't a "complaint." I already knew/know the answer. I was just curious to ascertain whether YOU knew why. You don't.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Jason, it wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;complaint.&#8221; I already knew/know the answer. I was just curious to ascertain whether YOU knew why. You don&#8217;t.  <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269219</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?q=voluntary+communism&#38;ie=utf-8&#38;oe=utf-8&#38;aq=t&#38;rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&#38;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow"&gt;Done&lt;/a&gt;. I confess to not having any sympathy for the idea and the intellectual delusions on which it appears to be based at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com.au/search?q=voluntary+communism&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&amp;client=firefox-a" >Done</a>. I confess to not having any sympathy for the idea and the intellectual delusions on which it appears to be based at all!</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269215</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, you could google "voluntary communism".  I admit to having something of a soft spot for the concept, though I wouldn't go so far as to say I "believe" in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, you could google &#8220;voluntary communism&#8221;.  I admit to having something of a soft spot for the concept, though I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say I &#8220;believe&#8221; in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269208</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...if you believe in communism or satanism, I probably won’t even pretend to be polite to you...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess the less I say about last night's sacrifice of a virgin goat to the Dark Lord Josef, the better. Otherwise we're never going to get along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;if you believe in communism or satanism, I probably won’t even pretend to be polite to you&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess the less I say about last night&#8217;s sacrifice of a virgin goat to the Dark Lord Josef, the better. Otherwise we&#8217;re never going to get along.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269197</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing, NPOV, if you mean just a kibbutzim or similar. But I don't think I have heard anyone speak of communism in that way. In practice, and in the manner I have heard it used (even amongst my further-left friends from school/uni) it refers to a rather one-in all-in system.

Even more specifically, the point generally seems to be the involvement (co-option, voir slavery) of the most successful people in society. 

Maybe your experience is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing, NPOV, if you mean just a kibbutzim or similar. But I don&#8217;t think I have heard anyone speak of communism in that way. In practice, and in the manner I have heard it used (even amongst my further-left friends from school/uni) it refers to a rather one-in all-in system.</p>
<p>Even more specifically, the point generally seems to be the involvement (co-option, voir slavery) of the most successful people in society. </p>
<p>Maybe your experience is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Soon</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269172</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Soon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chill out Ken, it was a playful snark engaging with Fyodor's and Liam's ganging up on him and his complaint to me that i like to 'gang up' on him here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chill out Ken, it was a playful snark engaging with Fyodor&#8217;s and Liam&#8217;s ganging up on him and his complaint to me that i like to &#8216;gang up&#8217; on him here.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269168</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I can understand objecting to people that think communism should be forced on to everyone, but what's wrong with with people that just believe that they'd personally like to work and live in a communist organisation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I can understand objecting to people that think communism should be forced on to everyone, but what&#8217;s wrong with with people that just believe that they&#8217;d personally like to work and live in a communist organisation?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269163</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll freely admit that Gummo has correctly devined that I am pertinacious and pedantic :)

But I think Ken is right that even if you can ascertain characteristics, they don't give you enough of a picture to tell you if you would 'like' the person, except in extreme cases. If nothing else, they might be quite different in 'real' life. Also,  I certainly don't base my friendships on any more than the broadest ideological compatibility (ie, if you believe in communism or satanism, I probably won't even pretend to be polite to you), and I wouldn't think this was very common outside of the extremes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll freely admit that Gummo has correctly devined that I am pertinacious and pedantic <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I think Ken is right that even if you can ascertain characteristics, they don&#8217;t give you enough of a picture to tell you if you would &#8216;like&#8217; the person, except in extreme cases. If nothing else, they might be quite different in &#8216;real&#8217; life. Also,  I certainly don&#8217;t base my friendships on any more than the broadest ideological compatibility (ie, if you believe in communism or satanism, I probably won&#8217;t even pretend to be polite to you), and I wouldn&#8217;t think this was very common outside of the extremes.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269162</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is clearly to be read with the unspoken qualifier "from what we know of him" - if JG in the real world is a witty, pleasant, thoughtful person then he won't be offended, and if not then Fyodor's right - we know him all too well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is clearly to be read with the unspoken qualifier &#8220;from what we know of him&#8221; - if JG in the real world is a witty, pleasant, thoughtful person then he won&#8217;t be offended, and if not then Fyodor&#8217;s right - we know him all too well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fyodor</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269158</link>
		<dc:creator>Fyodor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"...you can’t in fact IMO form any meaningful view about personality from the fragment of it that’s revealed online."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Totally disagree, Ken, and I don't believe you really believe it either. You might have a point regarding individual comments, but consistent and prolific commenters like Mr G here you get to know too well, unfortunately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;you can’t in fact IMO form any meaningful view about personality from the fragment of it that’s revealed online.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Totally disagree, Ken, and I don&#8217;t believe you really believe it either. You might have a point regarding individual comments, but consistent and prolific commenters like Mr G here you get to know too well, unfortunately.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Is there anyone here, left or right, who likes Greenfield? Raise your hand?"

Have you ever met JG?  I haven't.  If you haven't either, I don't really follow how you could have formed a view on whether you like him or not.  Presumably you mean that you find his expressed online opinions and the way he expresses them irritating.  I often do too, but that isn't the same thing as "not liking" someone at all.  Although I ocasionally transgress, I still maintain the position that we should always stick with attacking bloggers' or commenters' arguments rather than their personalities, not only because doing the latter unnecessarily raises the heat of debate but because you can't in fact IMO form any meaningful view about personality from the fragment of it that's revealed online .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is there anyone here, left or right, who likes Greenfield? Raise your hand?&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you ever met JG?  I haven&#8217;t.  If you haven&#8217;t either, I don&#8217;t really follow how you could have formed a view on whether you like him or not.  Presumably you mean that you find his expressed online opinions and the way he expresses them irritating.  I often do too, but that isn&#8217;t the same thing as &#8220;not liking&#8221; someone at all.  Although I ocasionally transgress, I still maintain the position that we should always stick with attacking bloggers&#8217; or commenters&#8217; arguments rather than their personalities, not only because doing the latter unnecessarily raises the heat of debate but because you can&#8217;t in fact IMO form any meaningful view about personality from the fragment of it that&#8217;s revealed online .</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269150</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam

Sure. What would you like to know? Though to be honest I think I've told you all there is to it. I was mortified and learned an invaluable lesson about researching and writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam</p>
<p>Sure. What would you like to know? Though to be honest I think I&#8217;ve told you all there is to it. I was mortified and learned an invaluable lesson about researching and writing.</p>
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		<title>By: FDB</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/05/06/missing-link-daily-56/#comment-269148</link>
		<dc:creator>FDB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Is there anyone here, left or right, who likes Greenfield? Raise your hand?"

I was saying Boo-urns.</description>
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<p>I was saying Boo-urns.</p>
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