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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-281984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if I were Sun I'd try and buy &lt;a href="http://www.sicortex.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;these guys&lt;/a&gt; for having some really nifty stuff that would fit perfectly into their HPC push.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if I were Sun I&#8217;d try and buy <a href="http://www.sicortex.com/" >these guys</a> for having some really nifty stuff that would fit perfectly into their HPC push.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-281979</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Synergy is real. It can be measured and is important to horizontally diversified firms with economies of scope advantages. Don’t shudder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm shuddering at the abuse of the term. I do think it exists because I can see it in computer technology and assume that it must exist in other fields as well. But you can't just say "synergy" in a hand-wavey way to justify a huge merger, in my opinion. It's just nuts.

The Microsoft-Yahoo thing, for instance. There wasn't synergy, there was massive duplication. Much cheaper to licence Yahoo technology if you need it, or hire away their best and brightest. $40 billion in cash and debt? Nuts.

Sun have bought a few companies lately; most recently they bought a small firm that makes distributed filesystems as part of a push into the HPC market. That's an example of synergy, because the technology they bought will become more potent when married to their own ZFS.

I suspect that portability of management skills would be on a continuum. And that the best managers are prepared to take advice. There was a great anecdote about Henry Ford wherein he said he was smart because he retained smart people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Synergy is real. It can be measured and is important to horizontally diversified firms with economies of scope advantages. Don’t shudder.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m shuddering at the abuse of the term. I do think it exists because I can see it in computer technology and assume that it must exist in other fields as well. But you can&#8217;t just say &#8220;synergy&#8221; in a hand-wavey way to justify a huge merger, in my opinion. It&#8217;s just nuts.</p>
<p>The Microsoft-Yahoo thing, for instance. There wasn&#8217;t synergy, there was massive duplication. Much cheaper to licence Yahoo technology if you need it, or hire away their best and brightest. $40 billion in cash and debt? Nuts.</p>
<p>Sun have bought a few companies lately; most recently they bought a small firm that makes distributed filesystems as part of a push into the HPC market. That&#8217;s an example of synergy, because the technology they bought will become more potent when married to their own ZFS.</p>
<p>I suspect that portability of management skills would be on a continuum. And that the best managers are prepared to take advice. There was a great anecdote about Henry Ford wherein he said he was smart because he retained smart people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-281973</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What rubbish. I don’t dispute that business and management are disciplines unto themselves, but it’s a bit rich to pretend that any Harvard graduate can waltz in and run a successful firm in an industry they know nothing about."

Wharton grads are better. MBAs may be an example of a Giffen good. 

Synergy is real. It can be measured and is important to horizontally diversified firms with economies of scope advantages. Don't shudder. 

But yes I still shudder when non economists say synergy or paradigm. Typically they mean "perpetual motion machine", "money tree" or "panacea". 

I think that there is a degree of portability of skills, but this is reliant on tacit knowledge. Some managers have it and some don't.

Donald Rumsfield was good in multiple management fields, but ultimately he made too many mistakes after some success as Defence Secretary. Mc Namara was good at both business and defence chief of the US. 

Warren Buffet makes his money from understanding good management when it comes in. But he couldn't run a bank (even as a finance guy) and sold it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What rubbish. I don’t dispute that business and management are disciplines unto themselves, but it’s a bit rich to pretend that any Harvard graduate can waltz in and run a successful firm in an industry they know nothing about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wharton grads are better. MBAs may be an example of a Giffen good. </p>
<p>Synergy is real. It can be measured and is important to horizontally diversified firms with economies of scope advantages. Don&#8217;t shudder. </p>
<p>But yes I still shudder when non economists say synergy or paradigm. Typically they mean &#8220;perpetual motion machine&#8221;, &#8220;money tree&#8221; or &#8220;panacea&#8221;. </p>
<p>I think that there is a degree of portability of skills, but this is reliant on tacit knowledge. Some managers have it and some don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Donald Rumsfield was good in multiple management fields, but ultimately he made too many mistakes after some success as Defence Secretary. Mc Namara was good at both business and defence chief of the US. </p>
<p>Warren Buffet makes his money from understanding good management when it comes in. But he couldn&#8217;t run a bank (even as a finance guy) and sold it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henrik;

I don't know. There's lots of places they have potential *shudder* synergy, but in terms of branding and culture ... I dunno. At this stage they are able to cooperate through cross-pollination of technology, which I think is the best bet for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henrik;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. There&#8217;s lots of places they have potential *shudder* synergy, but in terms of branding and culture &#8230; I dunno. At this stage they are able to cooperate through cross-pollination of technology, which I think is the best bet for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280983</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Sun + Apple partnership/merger/marriage would be an interesting thing... Could be a way for Apple to really get into the enterprise side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Sun + Apple partnership/merger/marriage would be an interesting thing&#8230; Could be a way for Apple to really get into the enterprise side of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, on second thoughts I'm really thinking of how OS X brought a lot of mindshare from geeks. Apple circa 99 is a bad example because one thing Steve Jobs did was axe a lot of previous R&#038;D efforts!

On the other hand, I think my point about Sun stands: without the fruits of deep R&#038;D they'd be well and truly up a creek filled with manure right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, on second thoughts I&#8217;m really thinking of how OS X brought a lot of mindshare from geeks. Apple circa 99 is a bad example because one thing Steve Jobs did was axe a lot of previous R&#038;D efforts!</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think my point about Sun stands: without the fruits of deep R&#038;D they&#8217;d be well and truly up a creek filled with manure right now.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280881</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I suppose I meant I see Sun today as Apple around the time Steve Jobs came in as the “temporary CEO” in the dark days of 96-99.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That suggests Sun will need some kind of breakout product like the ipod to survive rather than slowly becoming irrelevent through a decreasing ability to innovate.  If my recent dealings with the local arm of Sun are any sign, they seriously need to ditch their resellers, and pronto, and move to direct sales.  Some of Suns resellers still seem to think it's 1988 and they've got a hot product no-one else has a competitor for, despite Sun increasingly moving to commodity hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I suppose I meant I see Sun today as Apple around the time Steve Jobs came in as the “temporary CEO” in the dark days of 96-99.</p></blockquote>
<p>That suggests Sun will need some kind of breakout product like the ipod to survive rather than slowly becoming irrelevent through a decreasing ability to innovate.  If my recent dealings with the local arm of Sun are any sign, they seriously need to ditch their resellers, and pronto, and move to direct sales.  Some of Suns resellers still seem to think it&#8217;s 1988 and they&#8217;ve got a hot product no-one else has a competitor for, despite Sun increasingly moving to commodity hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose I meant I see Sun today as Apple around the time Steve Jobs came in as the "temporary CEO" in the dark days of 96-99.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I meant I see Sun today as Apple around the time Steve Jobs came in as the &#8220;temporary CEO&#8221; in the dark days of 96-99.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they got fairly brutally savaged by the tech wreck. However they'd be circling the drain if they hadn't come up with Niagara chips, DTrace and ZFS (inter alia) in the last few years. And those projects had a big lead time.

It's possible to be a pure commodity manufacturer in IT these days, as Dell and HP demonstrate. But there's very few companies who can compete in that space and the margins are atrocious. You need to be first or second for it to work and you never get to leapfrog the competition on features because you rely on the same upstream technologies as they do.

I see Sun as the Apple of the server space at the moment -- struggling to come back, but with a really neato portfolio of technology that will bring them back into the spotlight. They captured a lot of geek mindshare with ZFS in particular, and that will pay out down the road in datacentre purchasing decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they got fairly brutally savaged by the tech wreck. However they&#8217;d be circling the drain if they hadn&#8217;t come up with Niagara chips, DTrace and ZFS (inter alia) in the last few years. And those projects had a big lead time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible to be a pure commodity manufacturer in IT these days, as Dell and HP demonstrate. But there&#8217;s very few companies who can compete in that space and the margins are atrocious. You need to be first or second for it to work and you never get to leapfrog the competition on features because you rely on the same upstream technologies as they do.</p>
<p>I see Sun as the Apple of the server space at the moment &#8212; struggling to come back, but with a really neato portfolio of technology that will bring them back into the spotlight. They captured a lot of geek mindshare with ZFS in particular, and that will pay out down the road in datacentre purchasing decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy the anti-business school line. The trouble with the counter-example is that SUN's profits have stagnated for the last few years. They haven't gone bust like some suggested, but they haven't done that great</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy the anti-business school line. The trouble with the counter-example is that SUN&#8217;s profits have stagnated for the last few years. They haven&#8217;t gone bust like some suggested, but they haven&#8217;t done that great</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280836</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If she runs his campaign as well as she ran HP, Obama’s a shoo-in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The stocks highs were the day before she took the job. It was a long set of stairs down finally to the firms net asset value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If she runs his campaign as well as she ran HP, Obama’s a shoo-in.</p></blockquote>
<p>The stocks highs were the day before she took the job. It was a long set of stairs down finally to the firms net asset value.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David;

I have him on my feed reader. His stuff only turns up every few weeks but is usually quite thought provoking. I really must get off my bum and get some shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David;</p>
<p>I have him on my feed reader. His stuff only turns up every few weeks but is usually quite thought provoking. I really must get off my bum and get some shares.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280830</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 03:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;her advice will be for McCain to stop talking about his Vietnam experiences and outsource all of his war memories to Jim Webb
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
lol. If she runs his campaign as well as she ran HP, Obama's a shoo-in.

Thanks for the reminder about Schwartz's blog btw. I've read it a couple of times in the past and he's a very interesting bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>her advice will be for McCain to stop talking about his Vietnam experiences and outsource all of his war memories to Jim Webb
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<p>lol. If she runs his campaign as well as she ran HP, Obama&#8217;s a shoo-in.</p>
<p>Thanks for the reminder about Schwartz&#8217;s blog btw. I&#8217;ve read it a couple of times in the past and he&#8217;s a very interesting bloke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FXH;

It's a lot more reliable than it used to be -- it's overtaking spinning media in terms of MBTF because of write-levelling. In any case ZFS is able to recover pretty handily from errors.

Its main advantage is that it's solid-state, so it reads and writes faster and uses far, far less power. You don't need to keep it spinning for one.


Andrew;

I did not. Going on past form, her advice will be for McCain to stop talking about his Vietnam experiences and outsource all of his war memories to Jim Webb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FXH;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot more reliable than it used to be &#8212; it&#8217;s overtaking spinning media in terms of MBTF because of write-levelling. In any case ZFS is able to recover pretty handily from errors.</p>
<p>Its main advantage is that it&#8217;s solid-state, so it reads and writes faster and uses far, far less power. You don&#8217;t need to keep it spinning for one.</p>
<p>Andrew;</p>
<p>I did not. Going on past form, her advice will be for McCain to stop talking about his Vietnam experiences and outsource all of his war memories to Jim Webb.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Leigh</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280734</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Splendid post. Did you hear that Fiorina is now a senior adviser to the McCain campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Splendid post. Did you hear that Fiorina is now a senior adviser to the McCain campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280621</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmh on reading that link. 

re power. I did some work for a large ex fully gov owned au. telco last year - new 3G - big problem with air con and power supply in existing exchanges all around the nation. Big problem was getting old skool designers and engineers to recognise unbelievable ramping up of data demands with mobiles --&#62; power needs. 

re flash - I was under the impression that flash was a bit unreliable but is that related to the cheap hardware?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmh on reading that link. </p>
<p>re power. I did some work for a large ex fully gov owned au. telco last year - new 3G - big problem with air con and power supply in existing exchanges all around the nation. Big problem was getting old skool designers and engineers to recognise unbelievable ramping up of data demands with mobiles &#8211;&gt; power needs. </p>
<p>re flash - I was under the impression that flash was a bit unreliable but is that related to the cheap hardware?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280616</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Schwartz is the first CEO in history to link to source code in a blog entry talking about his company’s technology.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jacques you geek. 

Time to get back to irc.oz.org:6667 #coders</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Schwartz is the first CEO in history to link to source code in a blog entry talking about his company’s technology.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jacques you geek. </p>
<p>Time to get back to irc.oz.org:6667 #coders</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubie</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280577</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rubie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's that kind of thinking that put John Sculley into the CEO role at Apple.  Perhaps he was just 20 years too early before the industry had matured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s that kind of thinking that put John Sculley into the CEO role at Apple.  Perhaps he was just 20 years too early before the industry had matured.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/11/the-schwartz-is-strong-with-this-one/#comment-280505</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has, in a very  big way. Large data centres can have thousands of power-hungry servers and the electricity bill adds up quickly. That's why there's a big interest in technology like virtualisation and low-power CPUs. Both technologies which Sun is into pretty heavily into as it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has, in a very  big way. Large data centres can have thousands of power-hungry servers and the electricity bill adds up quickly. That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s a big interest in technology like virtualisation and low-power CPUs. Both technologies which Sun is into pretty heavily into as it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B&lt;blockquote&gt;ut the rising tide of data means that purchase cost is becoming dominated by the price of the electricity to run datacentres — the trendline of dollars per gigabyte maintained is crossing with the dollars per gigabyte purchased.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

really, so the cost of energy has  become a big enough factor? huh?</description>
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<blockquote>ut the rising tide of data means that purchase cost is becoming dominated by the price of the electricity to run datacentres — the trendline of dollars per gigabyte maintained is crossing with the dollars per gigabyte purchased.</p></blockquote>
<p>really, so the cost of energy has  become a big enough factor? huh?</p>
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