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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282877</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair, that&#039;s exactly the paper I was reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair, that&#8217;s exactly the paper I was reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282867</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1981 tax hike was designed to reduce government borrowing - which it did. So it&#039;s not clear that the tax hike itself lead to greater economic prosperity over time. The previous government restored fiscal responsibility and the current government has promised to maintain that responsibility so Australia does not face the same situation as the 1981 UK government did. Some nice coverage &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iea.org.uk/record.jsp?type=book&amp;ID=310&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1981 tax hike was designed to reduce government borrowing &#8211; which it did. So it&#8217;s not clear that the tax hike itself lead to greater economic prosperity over time. The previous government restored fiscal responsibility and the current government has promised to maintain that responsibility so Australia does not face the same situation as the 1981 UK government did. Some nice coverage <a href="http://www.iea.org.uk/record.jsp?type=book&amp;ID=310">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282863</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happily, we are not faced with a disaster of the proportions Thatcher faced. So I don&#039;t think we need to send in the army either.

I don&#039;t think there is any real reason to cut fuel taxes, btw, I just didn&#039;t think it entailed cutting expenditure. 

And the government conducts capital expenditure all the time - who cares really what they say they are borrowing for, as long the amount is not obscene the interest rate is the same. In this case they would be borrowing essentially to finance hopefully growth-facilitating tax cuts, not to finance any actual expenditure as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happily, we are not faced with a disaster of the proportions Thatcher faced. So I don&#8217;t think we need to send in the army either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any real reason to cut fuel taxes, btw, I just didn&#8217;t think it entailed cutting expenditure. </p>
<p>And the government conducts capital expenditure all the time &#8211; who cares really what they say they are borrowing for, as long the amount is not obscene the interest rate is the same. In this case they would be borrowing essentially to finance hopefully growth-facilitating tax cuts, not to finance any actual expenditure as such.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282860</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair, interesting that you quote the WSJ&#039;s &quot;tax cuts and the pruning of inefficient government programs can stimulate sluggish economies&quot;, when I was just reading yesterday of how Margaret Thatcher &quot;stimulated&quot; the economy out of recession in 1981, apparently while introducing a quite significant tax *hike*!
Economists at the time, including Mr Nicholas Stern, appeared to be nearly universally appalled at the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair, interesting that you quote the WSJ&#8217;s &#8220;tax cuts and the pruning of inefficient government programs can stimulate sluggish economies&#8221;, when I was just reading yesterday of how Margaret Thatcher &#8220;stimulated&#8221; the economy out of recession in 1981, apparently while introducing a quite significant tax *hike*!<br />
Economists at the time, including Mr Nicholas Stern, appeared to be nearly universally appalled at the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282858</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. Using the surplus to fund petrol excise cuts is a worthwhile debate - I&#039;d prefer to see the surplus being used to fund far more radical tax reform. But both sides of politics have no stomach for radical tax reform right now (or even radical spending reform for that matter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. Using the surplus to fund petrol excise cuts is a worthwhile debate &#8211; I&#8217;d prefer to see the surplus being used to fund far more radical tax reform. But both sides of politics have no stomach for radical tax reform right now (or even radical spending reform for that matter).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282856</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Borrowing to fund recurrent as opposed to capital expenditure usually isn&#039;t regarded as terribly prudent.  However I take the point on the possibility of eating into the surplus to fund fuel excise cuts.  However, whether it makes sense to squander the surplus in a context of high world oil prices where the cuts would almost inevitably soon be swamped one way or the other by price movements we&#039;re powerless to control, is another question.  Certainly John Howard never thought it made any sense when in government, and he was right IMO.  It makes even less sense in the context of either global warming or the onset of peak oil.  We should be adjusting and using price signals to facilitate that adjustment, not pandering to people who worry about global warming but are incapable of making the logical connection with fuel prices, partly because pragmatic/cynical politicans like Rudd are afraid to point it out, because they know that equally cynical politicians like Nelson and Turnbull would instantly gleefully exploit any such truth-telling and masquerade as the motorist&#039;s best mate, secure in the knowledge that things will have moved on one way or the other well before the next election.  I don&#039;t really expect a higher standard of debate in the MSM, but it doesn&#039;t seem unreasonable to hope for it here in a discussion with a cluey economist and an equally cluey lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Borrowing to fund recurrent as opposed to capital expenditure usually isn&#8217;t regarded as terribly prudent.  However I take the point on the possibility of eating into the surplus to fund fuel excise cuts.  However, whether it makes sense to squander the surplus in a context of high world oil prices where the cuts would almost inevitably soon be swamped one way or the other by price movements we&#8217;re powerless to control, is another question.  Certainly John Howard never thought it made any sense when in government, and he was right IMO.  It makes even less sense in the context of either global warming or the onset of peak oil.  We should be adjusting and using price signals to facilitate that adjustment, not pandering to people who worry about global warming but are incapable of making the logical connection with fuel prices, partly because pragmatic/cynical politicans like Rudd are afraid to point it out, because they know that equally cynical politicians like Nelson and Turnbull would instantly gleefully exploit any such truth-telling and masquerade as the motorist&#8217;s best mate, secure in the knowledge that things will have moved on one way or the other well before the next election.  I don&#8217;t really expect a higher standard of debate in the MSM, but it doesn&#8217;t seem unreasonable to hope for it here in a discussion with a cluey economist and an equally cluey lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282851</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually noticed that as well! Couldn&#039;t lower tax receipts just reduce the budget surplus and not actual expenditure?

Also, if the government really wanted to spend something, it could just borrow it, at very little cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually noticed that as well! Couldn&#8217;t lower tax receipts just reduce the budget surplus and not actual expenditure?</p>
<p>Also, if the government really wanted to spend something, it could just borrow it, at very little cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282837</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;in the absence of a magic pudding, cutting petrol taxes must logically result in either increases in other taxes which the same punters pay or cutting services which they dont want to lose&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would have thought that &#039;magic pudding&#039; is called the budget surplus and the enronesque slush funds the government is acumulating to subsidise future spending.
But a minor quibble. 

From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121357899416776129.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WSJ&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;My findings firmly reject the widely held view that lower taxes inevitably result in cuts in public services, slower growth and widening income inequalities. Today&#039;s policy makers should take note of how tax cuts and the pruning of inefficient government programs can stimulate sluggish economies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>in the absence of a magic pudding, cutting petrol taxes must logically result in either increases in other taxes which the same punters pay or cutting services which they dont want to lose</p></blockquote>
<p>I would have thought that &#8216;magic pudding&#8217; is called the budget surplus and the enronesque slush funds the government is acumulating to subsidise future spending.<br />
But a minor quibble. </p>
<p>From the <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121357899416776129.html">WSJ</a></p>
<blockquote><p>My findings firmly reject the widely held view that lower taxes inevitably result in cuts in public services, slower growth and widening income inequalities. Today&#8217;s policy makers should take note of how tax cuts and the pruning of inefficient government programs can stimulate sluggish economies.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, that&#039;s a scan. The original seems to made by &lt;a href=&quot;http://bureauofcommunication.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this mob&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that&#8217;s a scan. The original seems to made by <a href="http://bureauofcommunication.com/">this mob</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pappinbarra Fox</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282458</link>
		<dc:creator>Pappinbarra Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I get a clean copy of the apology - it looks like something I could use in all sincereity every other day? I am serious, a link would be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I get a clean copy of the apology &#8211; it looks like something I could use in all sincereity every other day? I am serious, a link would be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bartlett</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282453</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Andrew Bartletts blog is back on-line and spam-free, wasting no time in belatedly weighing into the Henson affair and siding with Hetty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sheesh - way to reduce complex debate to one side or t&#039; other.

By the way, my Big Brother post you linked to is about two years old. Because of the spam attack on my blog, I&#039;m having to &#039;scrub clean&#039; all my old posts and republish them - which I&#039;ll be doing for a while yet. While they all still have their original date, it might mean a big flurry of old posts appearing on your blog reader, so best to check to make sure they&#039;re current (although they are of course all still maginificent reading)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Andrew Bartletts blog is back on-line and spam-free, wasting no time in belatedly weighing into the Henson affair and siding with Hetty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sheesh &#8211; way to reduce complex debate to one side or t&#8217; other.</p>
<p>By the way, my Big Brother post you linked to is about two years old. Because of the spam attack on my blog, I&#8217;m having to &#8216;scrub clean&#8217; all my old posts and republish them &#8211; which I&#8217;ll be doing for a while yet. While they all still have their original date, it might mean a big flurry of old posts appearing on your blog reader, so best to check to make sure they&#8217;re current (although they are of course all still maginificent reading)</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/17/missing-link-daily-85/#comment-282432</link>
		<dc:creator>lauredhel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have found Andrew&#039;s Big Brother post difficult to follow because you&#039;re lacking context - the post was written in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have found Andrew&#8217;s Big Brother post difficult to follow because you&#8217;re lacking context &#8211; the post was written in 2006.</p>
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