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		<title>By: Bill Posters</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-286268</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mirko&#039;s client Tony Mokbel is getting argument of that quality in his defence he&#039;d best prepare for a long stint in the big house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mirko&#8217;s client Tony Mokbel is getting argument of that quality in his defence he&#8217;d best prepare for a long stint in the big house.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285958</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, I can&#039;t get to JQ either. He was fine a couple of days ago - in fact, was loading extra quickly. Sometimes that presages disaster...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I can&#8217;t get to JQ either. He was fine a couple of days ago &#8211; in fact, was loading extra quickly. Sometimes that presages disaster&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285956</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I assume it&#039;s not just me that can&#039;t access JQ&#039;s site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I assume it&#8217;s not just me that can&#8217;t access JQ&#8217;s site?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285846</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you have so many anti-American and anti-Israel posts in your line up? Why are you guys always boosting the enemy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you have so many anti-American and anti-Israel posts in your line up? Why are you guys always boosting the enemy?</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285823</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23920704-5005941,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that guy&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were <a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23920704-5005941,00.html" rel="nofollow">that guy</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285814</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeremy&lt;/a&gt;,

My error. I blame Monday&#039;s encounter with ... (double bass pedal note) ... public dentistry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285740" rel="nofollow">Jeremy</a>,</p>
<p>My error. I blame Monday&#8217;s encounter with &#8230; (double bass pedal note) &#8230; public dentistry.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285776</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(BTW the second Joshua Gans link is still wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(BTW the second Joshua Gans link is still wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285775</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, I&#039;m perfectly OK with allowing adults to form whatever groupings they like and conceive and rear children in such groups - the problem comes once a government is seen to sanction a practise that has traditonally been arguably somewhat degrading to women.  Certainly no government would want to be seen to be legalising polygamy because of the demands of Muslim males.
If women and men were equally forthcoming in demanding the right to marry polygamously I&#039;d be with them all the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I&#8217;m perfectly OK with allowing adults to form whatever groupings they like and conceive and rear children in such groups &#8211; the problem comes once a government is seen to sanction a practise that has traditonally been arguably somewhat degrading to women.  Certainly no government would want to be seen to be legalising polygamy because of the demands of Muslim males.<br />
If women and men were equally forthcoming in demanding the right to marry polygamously I&#8217;d be with them all the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285768</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder what our resident libertarians have to say on the matter.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In principle, I acknowledge that there is an argument for gay, polygamous or whatever marriage and doubt than any of them is inherently worse for &#039;the kids&#039; than an other - presumably all are on average better than single motherhood. 

In practice, I prefer the traditional monogamous union, however badly it seems to be practiced. But I don&#039;t think my preference is strong enough to legislate it.

But I don&#039;t know if I qualify as a libertarian except by contrast with NPOV :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder what our resident libertarians have to say on the matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>In principle, I acknowledge that there is an argument for gay, polygamous or whatever marriage and doubt than any of them is inherently worse for &#8216;the kids&#8217; than an other &#8211; presumably all are on average better than single motherhood. </p>
<p>In practice, I prefer the traditional monogamous union, however badly it seems to be practiced. But I don&#8217;t think my preference is strong enough to legislate it.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know if I qualify as a libertarian except by contrast with NPOV <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285763</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and the Democrats are better than the Greens, Family First, or that no pokies guy from South Australia.&quot;

Which is an interesting viewpoint, to which I can only retort &quot;GST.  Meg Lees&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and the Democrats are better than the Greens, Family First, or that no pokies guy from South Australia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is an interesting viewpoint, to which I can only retort &#8220;GST.  Meg Lees&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285760</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal Eagle gives a slap to the notion that judges making precedent is unprecedented. Or necessarily wrong. (With apologies to Ms Eagle for the lack of link. And ashamed glances in the direction of &lt;a href=&quot;http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mum&lt;/a&gt;; won&#039;t happen again.)

The law is a a moving, unknown beast. I know that sends terror into the heart of all and sundry, but the fact of the matter is that the law changes and shifts with time (generally slowly, but it does). Otherwise we could still apply decisions from 200 years ago and not bother with any new decisions. The law has to shift or else it becomes unjust, calcified in precedent, and unable to adapt to changing circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal Eagle gives a slap to the notion that judges making precedent is unprecedented. Or necessarily wrong. (With apologies to Ms Eagle for the lack of link. And ashamed glances in the direction of <a href="http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285752" rel="nofollow">mum</a>; won&#8217;t happen again.)</p>
<p>The law is a a moving, unknown beast. I know that sends terror into the heart of all and sundry, but the fact of the matter is that the law changes and shifts with time (generally slowly, but it does). Otherwise we could still apply decisions from 200 years ago and not bother with any new decisions. The law has to shift or else it becomes unjust, calcified in precedent, and unable to adapt to changing circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285752</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have our legal posts dropped off the Troppo radar? LE did a beauty on Janet Albrechtsen&#039;s attemts to wade in on the law of restitution: http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/poor-old-keith-mason/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have our legal posts dropped off the Troppo radar? LE did a beauty on Janet Albrechtsen&#8217;s attemts to wade in on the law of restitution: <a href="http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/poor-old-keith-mason/" rel="nofollow">http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2008/06/poor-old-keith-mason/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Parish</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Parish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops you&#039;re right NPOV.  I&#039;ve deleted the item on the Newspolls.  Read the feed reader too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops you&#8217;re right NPOV.  I&#8217;ve deleted the item on the Newspolls.  Read the feed reader too fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;If it bothers him that much, maybe he should take piano lessons.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No need, Gummo, the post actually linked to YouTube of me bashing away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If it bothers him that much, maybe he should take piano lessons.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No need, Gummo, the post actually linked to YouTube of me bashing away.</p>
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		<title>By: gilmae</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285729</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPOV: You are correct about the link, yes. ^C, why did you forsake me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPOV: You are correct about the link, yes. ^C, why did you forsake me?</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285727</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...&quot;Newspolls also show the Coalition 10 points in front in Victoria and Queensland&quot;...unless I&#039;m missing something, the Newspolls show the reverse of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;&#8221;Newspolls also show the Coalition 10 points in front in Victoria and Queensland&#8221;&#8230;unless I&#8217;m missing something, the Newspolls show the reverse of this.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285726</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of a historical tradition of strongly male-dominated societies.  The degree of male domination is likely to naturally break down over time anyway (as it has among Christianity-based cultures), but allowing polygamy is only likely to encourage a step backwards.  And I would argue that this would significantly &lt;em&gt;reduce&lt;/em&gt; freedom of choice for many women.

What happened to your second &#039;e&#039;, BTW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of a historical tradition of strongly male-dominated societies.  The degree of male domination is likely to naturally break down over time anyway (as it has among Christianity-based cultures), but allowing polygamy is only likely to encourage a step backwards.  And I would argue that this would significantly <em>reduce</em> freedom of choice for many women.</p>
<p>What happened to your second &#8216;e&#8217;, BTW?</p>
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		<title>By: John Grenfield</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285725</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, most of the differences in gender outcomes in our society are freely chosen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, most of the differences in gender outcomes in our society are freely chosen.</p>
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		<title>By: John Grenfield</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285723</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPOV

What does it matter if the &lt;i&gt;outcome&lt;/i&gt; is not gender-parity? Surely the only concern should be freedom of choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPOV</p>
<p>What does it matter if the <i>outcome</i> is not gender-parity? Surely the only concern should be freedom of choice?</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285721</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &quot;why it may not be appropriate to include petrol&quot; link appears to be wrong...it goes to Peter Martin&#039;s blog.  I&#039;m guessing it shoudl be to this:
http://economics.com.au/?p=1589.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;why it may not be appropriate to include petrol&#8221; link appears to be wrong&#8230;it goes to Peter Martin&#8217;s blog.  I&#8217;m guessing it shoudl be to this:<br />
<a href="http://economics.com.au/?p=1589" rel="nofollow">http://economics.com.au/?p=1589</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/06/26/missing-link-daily-92/#comment-285719</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone see the article about Muslim leaders proposing that polygamy should be legalised in Australia?

http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-sheik-backs-calls-to-legalise-polygamy-20080625-2wv9.html

I wonder what our resident libertarians have to say on the matter.  FWIW, I can&#039;t really find myself supporting it with the knowledge that it will inevitably lead to a large number of men with multiple wives, and very little chance of the reverse occurring.  Otherwise, in principle, I don&#039;t have a problem with any number of adults deciding they wish to consider themselves &quot;married&quot;, though the problems it would cause regarding taxation and government benefits would be considerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone see the article about Muslim leaders proposing that polygamy should be legalised in Australia?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-sheik-backs-calls-to-legalise-polygamy-20080625-2wv9.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourne-sheik-backs-calls-to-legalise-polygamy-20080625-2wv9.html</a></p>
<p>I wonder what our resident libertarians have to say on the matter.  FWIW, I can&#8217;t really find myself supporting it with the knowledge that it will inevitably lead to a large number of men with multiple wives, and very little chance of the reverse occurring.  Otherwise, in principle, I don&#8217;t have a problem with any number of adults deciding they wish to consider themselves &#8220;married&#8221;, though the problems it would cause regarding taxation and government benefits would be considerable.</p>
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