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		<title>By: Ingolf</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-320296</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciate the kind comments, Temujin and niall.</description>
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		<title>By: niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-320078</link>
		<dc:creator>niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed.</description>
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		<title>By: Temujin</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-320050</link>
		<dc:creator>Temujin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. Nothing more... just &quot;good post&quot;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. Nothing more&#8230; just &#8220;good post&#8221;. <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hodgson</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319946</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hodgson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selling Paulson&#039;s 700bn bailout.  I enjoyed this Nigerian-analogy post on Jim Kunstler&#039;s Clusterfuck Nation:

Anybody else gotten this email today?

From: Minister of the Treasury Paulson
Subject: REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP
Dear American:
I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.
I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.
I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.
This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. 
We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.
Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.
Yours Faithfully
Minister of Treasury Paulson
Posted by: LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown &#124; September 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selling Paulson&#8217;s 700bn bailout.  I enjoyed this Nigerian-analogy post on Jim Kunstler&#8217;s Clusterfuck Nation:</p>
<p>Anybody else gotten this email today?</p>
<p>From: Minister of the Treasury Paulson<br />
Subject: REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP<br />
Dear American:<br />
I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.<br />
I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.<br />
I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.<br />
This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check.<br />
We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.<br />
Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to <a href="mailto:wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov">wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov</a> so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.<br />
Yours Faithfully<br />
Minister of Treasury Paulson<br />
Posted by: LaughingAsRomeWasBurningDown | September 22, 2008 at 12:36 PM</p>
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		<title>By: Ingolf</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319923</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 06:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Processe(d), I think, now, JC, although I do wonder how long this particular bit of idiocy will last. Talk about shooting the messenger. 

As for John Mack, yes, it&#039;s bloody pathetic, isn&#039;t it? Someone should say to him, &quot;You don&#039;t like what they&#039;re doing? Well, how about you pony up with some of the tens of millions the mothership gives you if it&#039;s such a bargain?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Processe(d), I think, now, JC, although I do wonder how long this particular bit of idiocy will last. Talk about shooting the messenger. </p>
<p>As for John Mack, yes, it&#8217;s bloody pathetic, isn&#8217;t it? Someone should say to him, &#8220;You don&#8217;t like what they&#8217;re doing? Well, how about you pony up with some of the tens of millions the mothership gives you if it&#8217;s such a bargain?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319911</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting, Inglof.

i had to laugh the other day when john Mack of Morgan Stanley was whining about short sellers trampling his stock. I&#039;d love to know who many short trades Morgan processes during the day.

Good post by the way. Don&#039;t agree with some of it, but good work all the same. You&#039;re always an interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting, Inglof.</p>
<p>i had to laugh the other day when john Mack of Morgan Stanley was whining about short sellers trampling his stock. I&#8217;d love to know who many short trades Morgan processes during the day.</p>
<p>Good post by the way. Don&#8217;t agree with some of it, but good work all the same. You&#8217;re always an interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rex, and Nicholas. 

Happily, some congresscritters aren&#039;t just taking it lying down so any &lt;a href=&quot;http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-on-paulson-plan.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;eventual agreement&lt;/a&gt; seems likely to be a good deal more palatable than the initial shocker (not exactly a high bar of course). The Treasury Secretary would be on a much &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/dodd-circulating-bailout-variant-gives.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tighter leash&lt;/a&gt; in terms of both reporting and oversight, and long suffering taxpayers are likely to end up with equity stakes proportionate to assets purchased from any given institution. 

Yes, pete m, it surely is a fragile machine. I doubt there&#039;ll be any shortage of looming calamities for quite some time.

JC, don&#039;t know if you noticed but one little company (DHIL) has voluntarily &lt;a href=&quot;http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/first-company-opts-out-of-short-selling.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;opted out&lt;/a&gt; of the short selling ban. Nice response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rex, and Nicholas. </p>
<p>Happily, some congresscritters aren&#8217;t just taking it lying down so any <a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-on-paulson-plan.html" rel="nofollow">eventual agreement</a> seems likely to be a good deal more palatable than the initial shocker (not exactly a high bar of course). The Treasury Secretary would be on a much <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/dodd-circulating-bailout-variant-gives.html" rel="nofollow">tighter leash</a> in terms of both reporting and oversight, and long suffering taxpayers are likely to end up with equity stakes proportionate to assets purchased from any given institution. </p>
<p>Yes, pete m, it surely is a fragile machine. I doubt there&#8217;ll be any shortage of looming calamities for quite some time.</p>
<p>JC, don&#8217;t know if you noticed but one little company (DHIL) has voluntarily <a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/first-company-opts-out-of-short-selling.html" rel="nofollow">opted out</a> of the short selling ban. Nice response.</p>
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		<title>By: pete m</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319880</link>
		<dc:creator>pete m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/how_close_was_the_financial_sy.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

maybe things are more worrisome ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/how_close_was_the_financial_sy.php" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>maybe things are more worrisome &#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319840</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he was the one who pushed it to the ground, Rex. i think that was the dude before him. This guy picked up the grenade towards the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he was the one who pushed it to the ground, Rex. i think that was the dude before him. This guy picked up the grenade towards the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh JC.  It&#039;s a lovely heartwarming story. Voluntarily rejecting a $22M handout for riding a company into the ground.   It&#039;s the tough self-love of unfettered capitalism hard at work for the little guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh JC.  It&#8217;s a lovely heartwarming story. Voluntarily rejecting a $22M handout for riding a company into the ground.   It&#8217;s the tough self-love of unfettered capitalism hard at work for the little guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319710</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And get a load of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/why-you-should-hate-treasury-bailout.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And get a load of <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/09/why-you-should-hate-treasury-bailout.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319707</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rex:

This ought finally get a warm glow out of you there is human decency still around :-)

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080922/financial_aig_willumstad.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rex:</p>
<p>This ought finally get a warm glow out of you there is human decency still around <img src='http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080922/financial_aig_willumstad.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080922/financial_aig_willumstad.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A terrific post Ingolf.  Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A terrific post Ingolf.  Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/22/at-the-crossroads-again/#comment-319699</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not visited Brad Delong&#039;s site for a while - it&#039;s great reading right now - which is no surprise given his grasp of economic history - and economic everything else for that matter. 

Here&#039;s his &lt;a href=&quot;http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/if-i-were-runni.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quickly knocked together rescue plan&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;No extraordinary grants of power to Treasury Secretaries who might be appointed by the erratic and unqualified John McCain:

Either:
(i) do the rescue through the Fed, or
(ii) follow the Marshall Plan and use an independent agency with its head chosen by the chair of the relevant senate committee, as Paul Hoffman was chosen by Arthur Vandenberg...
Proper and appropriate congressional and judicial oversight...

High end pay reform:

Cancellation of current golden parachutes...
Look-backs in the future--pay over $1M per year conditioned on the long-term profitability of the enterprise over more than a decade...
Equity stakes for the government:

Government buys securities at current market... * For every $4 the government pays for debt securities, it pays a fifth dollar for equity warrants...
Make it a round $1 trillion in authority...

A no-filibuster pledge from ten Republican senators with respect to the household mortgage relief bill that will be moving through the congress immediately after the financial rescue/nationalization bill...

If Republicans block whatever bill the Democrats propose this week, Wall Street can stagger on for a month and a half and we will come back into session the day after election day and do what is right then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not visited Brad Delong&#8217;s site for a while &#8211; it&#8217;s great reading right now &#8211; which is no surprise given his grasp of economic history &#8211; and economic everything else for that matter. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s his <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/if-i-were-runni.html" rel="nofollow">quickly knocked together rescue plan</a>. </p>
<blockquote><p>No extraordinary grants of power to Treasury Secretaries who might be appointed by the erratic and unqualified John McCain:</p>
<p>Either:<br />
(i) do the rescue through the Fed, or<br />
(ii) follow the Marshall Plan and use an independent agency with its head chosen by the chair of the relevant senate committee, as Paul Hoffman was chosen by Arthur Vandenberg&#8230;<br />
Proper and appropriate congressional and judicial oversight&#8230;</p>
<p>High end pay reform:</p>
<p>Cancellation of current golden parachutes&#8230;<br />
Look-backs in the future&#8211;pay over $1M per year conditioned on the long-term profitability of the enterprise over more than a decade&#8230;<br />
Equity stakes for the government:</p>
<p>Government buys securities at current market&#8230; * For every $4 the government pays for debt securities, it pays a fifth dollar for equity warrants&#8230;<br />
Make it a round $1 trillion in authority&#8230;</p>
<p>A no-filibuster pledge from ten Republican senators with respect to the household mortgage relief bill that will be moving through the congress immediately after the financial rescue/nationalization bill&#8230;</p>
<p>If Republicans block whatever bill the Democrats propose this week, Wall Street can stagger on for a month and a half and we will come back into session the day after election day and do what is right then&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Ingolf.

Scary and fascinating at the same time. 

Here are two &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/20/AR2008092001059.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;terrific&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/60694d12-87ed-11dd-b114-0000779fd18c.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;columns&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Ingolf.</p>
<p>Scary and fascinating at the same time. </p>
<p>Here are two <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/20/AR2008092001059.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">terrific</a> <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/60694d12-87ed-11dd-b114-0000779fd18c.html" rel="nofollow">columns</a>.</p>
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