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		<title>By: Good ideas and lies &#171; Readings From A Political Duo-ble</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320931</link>
		<dc:creator>Good ideas and lies &#171; Readings From A Political Duo-ble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by joni on September 30, 2008  I was reading Club Troppo today, and was struck by a simple line that Nicholas Gruen found in the New York Times blog of Paul [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by joni on September 30, 2008  I was reading Club Troppo today, and was struck by a simple line that Nicholas Gruen found in the New York Times blog of Paul [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Good Ideas and Lies &#171; The home for lost Blogocrats</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320804</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Ideas and Lies &#171; The home for lost Blogocrats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was reading Club Troppo today, and was struck by a simple line that Nicholas Gruen found in the New York Times blog of Paul [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was reading Club Troppo today, and was struck by a simple line that Nicholas Gruen found in the New York Times blog of Paul [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320428</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=71756e51-a09c-4b7d-b270-c6327191b341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; is pretty on point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=71756e51-a09c-4b7d-b270-c6327191b341">This article</a> is pretty on point.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320374</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment all this is hypothetical as McCain and a bunch of conservative Republicans have just gone off on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSTRE48P05S20080926&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a completely different proposal&lt;/a&gt;:
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The conservative group&#039;s plan calls for the U.S. government to offer insurance coverage for the roughly half of all mortgage-backed securities that it does not already insure.

The Treasury Department, they said, should charge premiums to holders of those securities to finance the insurance.

They also called for temporary tax cuts and regulatory relief for businesses. In addition, they said, financial institutions participating in their proposed program would have to disclose more about their mortgage asset holdings. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment all this is hypothetical as McCain and a bunch of conservative Republicans have just gone off on <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSTRE48P05S20080926">a completely different proposal</a>:</p>
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The conservative group&#8217;s plan calls for the U.S. government to offer insurance coverage for the roughly half of all mortgage-backed securities that it does not already insure.</p>
<p>The Treasury Department, they said, should charge premiums to holders of those securities to finance the insurance.</p>
<p>They also called for temporary tax cuts and regulatory relief for businesses. In addition, they said, financial institutions participating in their proposed program would have to disclose more about their mortgage asset holdings.
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		<title>By: Pappinbarra Fox</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320345</link>
		<dc:creator>Pappinbarra Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just testing to see if this goes after a very very arduous process of trying to register under the new regime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just testing to see if this goes after a very very arduous process of trying to register under the new regime</p>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/09/26/fighting-our-way-through-the-bullshit/#comment-320329</link>
		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/bailouttalk_09-23.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Krugman&lt;/a&gt; is in substantial agreement with Meltzer;

&lt;blockquote&gt; I don&#039;t want to join a debate about different ways of picking the public&#039;s pocket. I think, if they&#039;re going to do something -- and I don&#039;t think that we really need to do anything. I&#039;ve heard these stories over and over for 40 years. You know, maybe there will be a crisis.

But despite all the talk, Main Street is not doing so badly. And the fact is that they&#039;ve been predicting disaster since January. It hasn&#039;t happened.

And if they&#039;re going to do something, then what they ought to do is make loans, which the financial institutions have to repay with interest. And if you think -- that&#039;s an idea which the Chileans have used in a bigger crisis than this for them in 1982, and it worked for them.

People paid back the loans. They weren&#039;t allowed to pay dividends until they repaid the loans. They weren&#039;t allowed to take bonuses until they repaid the loans. I think that&#039;s the way -- if we&#039;re going to do this, then that&#039;s the way we should do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec08/bailouttalk_09-23.html">Krugman</a> is in substantial agreement with Meltzer;</p>
<blockquote><p> I don&#8217;t want to join a debate about different ways of picking the public&#8217;s pocket. I think, if they&#8217;re going to do something &#8212; and I don&#8217;t think that we really need to do anything. I&#8217;ve heard these stories over and over for 40 years. You know, maybe there will be a crisis.</p>
<p>But despite all the talk, Main Street is not doing so badly. And the fact is that they&#8217;ve been predicting disaster since January. It hasn&#8217;t happened.</p>
<p>And if they&#8217;re going to do something, then what they ought to do is make loans, which the financial institutions have to repay with interest. And if you think &#8212; that&#8217;s an idea which the Chileans have used in a bigger crisis than this for them in 1982, and it worked for them.</p>
<p>People paid back the loans. They weren&#8217;t allowed to pay dividends until they repaid the loans. They weren&#8217;t allowed to take bonuses until they repaid the loans. I think that&#8217;s the way &#8212; if we&#8217;re going to do this, then that&#8217;s the way we should do it.</p></blockquote>
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