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	<title>Comments on: Billy Budd</title>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/13/billy-budd/#comment-324004</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanderer: I enjoyed your two posts; sorry I didn't discover them before posting myself -- I'm usually more thorough. Thanks for the links, too. Also, I'd forgotten Grimes was on next year's program. 

woulfe: Glad you liked it! Your homoerotic intrepretation #3 is as good as any, but I didn't extract that one either, at least not from the book. I think for Melville, Claggart is just a device to bring random evil into Billy's life. He devotes a chapter to sketching Claggart's psychology -- something we know we have a coinvenient label for, i.e., psychopath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanderer: I enjoyed your two posts; sorry I didn&#8217;t discover them before posting myself &#8212; I&#8217;m usually more thorough. Thanks for the links, too. Also, I&#8217;d forgotten Grimes was on next year&#8217;s program. </p>
<p>woulfe: Glad you liked it! Your homoerotic intrepretation #3 is as good as any, but I didn&#8217;t extract that one either, at least not from the book. I think for Melville, Claggart is just a device to bring random evil into Billy&#8217;s life. He devotes a chapter to sketching Claggart&#8217;s psychology &#8212; something we know we have a coinvenient label for, i.e., psychopath.</p>
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		<title>By: woulfe</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip, James. We went last night, and it was magnificent. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is supposed to be a homoerotic interpretation of the whole thing, but being an innocent in these matters, I could never quite figure out what it was. Does Claggart destroy Billy because he’s jealous of the captain’s affection for him?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think Britten's Claggart can be understood as the archetypal repressed homosexual, who, hating his own desire for Billy, seeks to destroy him. It's thirty years since I read Billy Budd, so I can't comment if that might have been Melville's intention. 

It would be easy and tempting, I guess, to overplay all the maleness on stage, but apart from the obligatory revealing of Tahu Rhodes' pecs, the production stayed well clear of gratuitous homoeroticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip, James. We went last night, and it was magnificent. </p>
<blockquote><p>There is supposed to be a homoerotic interpretation of the whole thing, but being an innocent in these matters, I could never quite figure out what it was. Does Claggart destroy Billy because he’s jealous of the captain’s affection for him?</p></blockquote>
<p>I think Britten&#8217;s Claggart can be understood as the archetypal repressed homosexual, who, hating his own desire for Billy, seeks to destroy him. It&#8217;s thirty years since I read Billy Budd, so I can&#8217;t comment if that might have been Melville&#8217;s intention. </p>
<p>It would be easy and tempting, I guess, to overplay all the maleness on stage, but apart from the obligatory revealing of Tahu Rhodes&#8217; pecs, the production stayed well clear of gratuitous homoeroticism.</p>
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		<title>By: wanderer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/13/billy-budd/#comment-323845</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks you James Farrell. A few thoughts:

Judgement, and its meaning and consequences, are what I think underpin Billy Budd, and Peter Grimes (an outsider is judged as bad and driven to suicide by a fishing village lynch mob) and much of Britten’s work. Hardly surprising.

For me the essence is that Billy (goodness) forgives, not pardons or patronises, but forgives in the truest sense, he understands (even if we or Vere don’t). He sees only goodness. This is the Christian and crucifixion analogy, as much as the sacrifice of innocence. Worth noting are Vere’s final words: “But he (Billy) saved me, and blessed me, and the love that passeth understanding has come to me”. 

The homoerotic element, certainly ambiguous, as in much of Britten, gives a possible explanation in this production for Claggart’s nature. Namely, that he so despises himself for his (repressed) sexuality, hating his attraction to Billy (the sniffing of Billy’s kerchief), projecting his hate, to be destroyed at all costs. How many gay bashings are by young males uncertain about their own sexuality or masculinity?

James, Armfield is producing a new Peter Grimes next year. 

I’ve posted on this &lt;a href="http://iamaliminalbeing.blogspot.com/2008/09/billy-budd.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;elsewhere&lt;/a&gt;, referencing a worthwhile musical analysis, and an 
&lt;a href="http://iamaliminalbeing.blogspot.com/2008/09/billy-budd-in-performance.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;ABC video interview&lt;/a&gt; with Teddy Tahu Rhodes explaining the work is a disarmingly simple way, plus some production footage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you James Farrell. A few thoughts:</p>
<p>Judgement, and its meaning and consequences, are what I think underpin Billy Budd, and Peter Grimes (an outsider is judged as bad and driven to suicide by a fishing village lynch mob) and much of Britten’s work. Hardly surprising.</p>
<p>For me the essence is that Billy (goodness) forgives, not pardons or patronises, but forgives in the truest sense, he understands (even if we or Vere don’t). He sees only goodness. This is the Christian and crucifixion analogy, as much as the sacrifice of innocence. Worth noting are Vere’s final words: “But he (Billy) saved me, and blessed me, and the love that passeth understanding has come to me”. </p>
<p>The homoerotic element, certainly ambiguous, as in much of Britten, gives a possible explanation in this production for Claggart’s nature. Namely, that he so despises himself for his (repressed) sexuality, hating his attraction to Billy (the sniffing of Billy’s kerchief), projecting his hate, to be destroyed at all costs. How many gay bashings are by young males uncertain about their own sexuality or masculinity?</p>
<p>James, Armfield is producing a new Peter Grimes next year. </p>
<p>I’ve posted on this <a href="http://iamaliminalbeing.blogspot.com/2008/09/billy-budd.html" >elsewhere</a>, referencing a worthwhile musical analysis, and an<br />
<a href="http://iamaliminalbeing.blogspot.com/2008/09/billy-budd-in-performance.html" >ABC video interview</a> with Teddy Tahu Rhodes explaining the work is a disarmingly simple way, plus some production footage.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/13/billy-budd/#comment-323786</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPOV: I have to admit I've never seen Peter Grimes, nor listened to it. I would be very interested to hear what anyone else has to say about the comparsion. The only other Britten opera I've seen, 15 years ago, was &lt;em&gt;Midsummer Night's Dream&lt;/em&gt;, in Baz Luhrmann's production for AO. In my memory of that production, it's the eerily beautiful countertenor part of Oberon that stands out, apart from the amazing sets and costumes.

Patrick: Thanks for that. I've never heard of the film. I'll take your caution on board, but it would be interesting to see how the music is used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPOV: I have to admit I&#8217;ve never seen Peter Grimes, nor listened to it. I would be very interested to hear what anyone else has to say about the comparsion. The only other Britten opera I&#8217;ve seen, 15 years ago, was <em>Midsummer Night&#8217;s Dream</em>, in Baz Luhrmann&#8217;s production for AO. In my memory of that production, it&#8217;s the eerily beautiful countertenor part of Oberon that stands out, apart from the amazing sets and costumes.</p>
<p>Patrick: Thanks for that. I&#8217;ve never heard of the film. I&#8217;ll take your caution on board, but it would be interesting to see how the music is used.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will try and see this. Personally I loved Claire Denis' &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209933/" rel="nofollow"&gt;cinematic adaption &lt;/a&gt;of it (albeit I hated it the first time I saw it). So at least I know that I like the music (she uses the actual opera soundtrack).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will try and see this. Personally I loved Claire Denis&#8217; <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209933/" >cinematic adaption </a>of it (albeit I hated it the first time I saw it). So at least I know that I like the music (she uses the actual opera soundtrack).</p>
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		<title>By: NPOV</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/13/billy-budd/#comment-323660</link>
		<dc:creator>NPOV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can't say I'm at all familiar with it...how does it compare to Peter Grimes, for instance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m at all familiar with it&#8230;how does it compare to Peter Grimes, for instance?</p>
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