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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that there is nothing wrong with making money. I guess the issue is that there is an overhang in the secondary market (maybe $40bn-$50bn) and all the other investors are scared witless about redemptions at the moment as you noted, so the secondary market for this stuff trades at a level (+180bps or so?) that is well above the solvency threshold on a new deal (+140 bps?) for the small non-ADI players. This is why they have been losing market share - they can&#039;t issue at a level that enables them to compete with the ADIs.

I sense that the exercise may fail for this reason - the investors won&#039;t buy at a level that works for the originators and $8bn will only go so far at a level that represents a subsidy versus the secondary market. So why not multiply the effect by pouring the $8bn into &quot;junior AAA&quot; tranches so that other investors will be attracted by the subordination this affords to the &quot;super senior&quot; tranches? But my problem with this is that the other investors might get hooked on the 30% credit enhancement this drives out when they will ultimately need to get comfortable with 3% again for the market to truly work.

As they say &quot;Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.&quot; If it doesn&#039;t work, will there be so many people claiming to have had a role in influencing the government to do this, or will they just blame the dud public servants executing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that there is nothing wrong with making money. I guess the issue is that there is an overhang in the secondary market (maybe $40bn-$50bn) and all the other investors are scared witless about redemptions at the moment as you noted, so the secondary market for this stuff trades at a level (+180bps or so?) that is well above the solvency threshold on a new deal (+140 bps?) for the small non-ADI players. This is why they have been losing market share &#8211; they can&#8217;t issue at a level that enables them to compete with the ADIs.</p>
<p>I sense that the exercise may fail for this reason &#8211; the investors won&#8217;t buy at a level that works for the originators and $8bn will only go so far at a level that represents a subsidy versus the secondary market. So why not multiply the effect by pouring the $8bn into &#8220;junior AAA&#8221; tranches so that other investors will be attracted by the subordination this affords to the &#8220;super senior&#8221; tranches? But my problem with this is that the other investors might get hooked on the 30% credit enhancement this drives out when they will ultimately need to get comfortable with 3% again for the market to truly work.</p>
<p>As they say &#8220;Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.&#8221; If it doesn&#8217;t work, will there be so many people claiming to have had a role in influencing the government to do this, or will they just blame the dud public servants executing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/23/it-isnt-easy-managing-financial-crises-or-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-326167</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Abe, but if the government&#039;s been forced in to supply liquidity and bear risk, I don&#039;t see much wrong with it making a killing on the deal. Right now the Australian Government has a big money making opportunity on its hands. The private sector has (to a considerable extent rationally) lost its appetite for bearing financial risk. The public sector should be moving in and bearing that which it prudently can (which I would suggest is all it can be confident it can broadly understand). And it should be charging for the privilege. Of course the main point of the premium the Govt charges is (as we&#039;re being shown) not really to make money - though there&#039;s nothing wrong with that given that the alternative is more distorting taxes as opposed to revenue raising which is positively beneficial here. Charging a decent price means that it doesn&#039;t crowd out private capital when it&#039;s happy to move back into the market.  And it minimises the disruption to adjacent markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Abe, but if the government&#8217;s been forced in to supply liquidity and bear risk, I don&#8217;t see much wrong with it making a killing on the deal. Right now the Australian Government has a big money making opportunity on its hands. The private sector has (to a considerable extent rationally) lost its appetite for bearing financial risk. The public sector should be moving in and bearing that which it prudently can (which I would suggest is all it can be confident it can broadly understand). And it should be charging for the privilege. Of course the main point of the premium the Govt charges is (as we&#8217;re being shown) not really to make money &#8211; though there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that given that the alternative is more distorting taxes as opposed to revenue raising which is positively beneficial here. Charging a decent price means that it doesn&#8217;t crowd out private capital when it&#8217;s happy to move back into the market.  And it minimises the disruption to adjacent markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece.

To what extent should the AOFM use the capacity to subordinate its stake to &quot;super-senior&quot; tranches (for a lower than market premium) to attract investors to the super senior tranches (now that all the fundie bids have disappeared)? Would it just wean the investment community onto a higher level of subordination and so be detrimental in the long run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece.</p>
<p>To what extent should the AOFM use the capacity to subordinate its stake to &#8220;super-senior&#8221; tranches (for a lower than market premium) to attract investors to the super senior tranches (now that all the fundie bids have disappeared)? Would it just wean the investment community onto a higher level of subordination and so be detrimental in the long run?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2008/10/23/it-isnt-easy-managing-financial-crises-or-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-326029</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the confusion Fred, we&#039;re all pretty confused. Certainly I don&#039;t claim any deep insight - just some tentative thoughts. 

On assets, take RMBS. The Govt has guaranteed deposits a bunch of banks and, because the situation was dire and it wanted to be decisive, it went further and guaranteed other forms of debt they issue. 

That may all have been sensible, though I think there&#039;s a strong presumption that they should charge some amount - calculated to be a rate that generates expected commercial returns for the govt - for all the guarantees they offer. 

Problem is the banks are now in this bullet proof position and they&#039;re bleeding the rest of the financial system dry.  We had a foretaste of this in the RMBS market where Chris Joye, Joshua Gans and I (following their initiative) proposed that, for as long as necessary the Govt get in the business of guaranteeing simple vanilla mortgages - to revive the RMBS market. I pointed out that the government could make some good money doing it. 

The point about that was that it was competitively neutral.  One would have underwritten the market, and anyone could play in it. I would imagine something similar needs to be done with mortgage trusts and CMTs but I don&#039;t claim to any deep knowledge of these markets, and so there might be holes in the proposal. I&#039;d welcome anyone pointing out what they might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the confusion Fred, we&#8217;re all pretty confused. Certainly I don&#8217;t claim any deep insight &#8211; just some tentative thoughts. </p>
<p>On assets, take RMBS. The Govt has guaranteed deposits a bunch of banks and, because the situation was dire and it wanted to be decisive, it went further and guaranteed other forms of debt they issue. </p>
<p>That may all have been sensible, though I think there&#8217;s a strong presumption that they should charge some amount &#8211; calculated to be a rate that generates expected commercial returns for the govt &#8211; for all the guarantees they offer. </p>
<p>Problem is the banks are now in this bullet proof position and they&#8217;re bleeding the rest of the financial system dry.  We had a foretaste of this in the RMBS market where Chris Joye, Joshua Gans and I (following their initiative) proposed that, for as long as necessary the Govt get in the business of guaranteeing simple vanilla mortgages &#8211; to revive the RMBS market. I pointed out that the government could make some good money doing it. </p>
<p>The point about that was that it was competitively neutral.  One would have underwritten the market, and anyone could play in it. I would imagine something similar needs to be done with mortgage trusts and CMTs but I don&#8217;t claim to any deep knowledge of these markets, and so there might be holes in the proposal. I&#8217;d welcome anyone pointing out what they might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Argy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Argy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as your last couple of paragraphs is concerned, I would ask two questions:

- wouldn&#039;t the impact on the &quot;shadow finance sector&quot; flow mainly from the events in global finance markets - irrespective of deposit insurance? 

-&quot;I&#039;d rather see the Government dealing with the crisis by guaranteeing assets ---rather than the institutions&quot;. How would that help?  

Sorry, I am very confused at present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as your last couple of paragraphs is concerned, I would ask two questions:</p>
<p>- wouldn&#8217;t the impact on the &#8220;shadow finance sector&#8221; flow mainly from the events in global finance markets &#8211; irrespective of deposit insurance? </p>
<p>-&#8221;I&#8217;d rather see the Government dealing with the crisis by guaranteeing assets &#8212;rather than the institutions&#8221;. How would that help?  </p>
<p>Sorry, I am very confused at present.</p>
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