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	<title>Comments on: Jeff Sparrow on our latest little episode in dehumanising people</title>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350803</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick -- I&#039;m not sure. As I said, Wordpress has a fairly la-di-da HTML filtering system. Give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure. As I said, Wordpress has a fairly la-di-da HTML filtering system. Give it a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350667</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jacques, speaking of that, I&#039;ve tried lists before - can we have support for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jacques, speaking of that, I&#8217;ve tried lists before &#8211; can we have support for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s mostly developed through bitter experience in my trade. Reinventing the wheel is cool the first few times. Then you realise how much work it is to maintain your own wheel, deal with unforeseen design flaws that require a rewrite etc etc. After a few years your instinct stops being &quot;I&#039;ll just knock up a nifty component for ...&quot; and becomes &quot;surely somebody&#039;s already written a component that does ...&quot;

Essentially programmers are amongst the last of all people to discover the benefits of the division of labour. Possibly because we systematically overestimate our own ability and underestimate other programmers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s mostly developed through bitter experience in my trade. Reinventing the wheel is cool the first few times. Then you realise how much work it is to maintain your own wheel, deal with unforeseen design flaws that require a rewrite etc etc. After a few years your instinct stops being &#8220;I&#8217;ll just knock up a nifty component for &#8230;&#8221; and becomes &#8220;surely somebody&#8217;s already written a component that does &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Essentially programmers are amongst the last of all people to discover the benefits of the division of labour. Possibly because we systematically overestimate our own ability and underestimate other programmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350478</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheel searching - so you spotted I don&#039;t do that - you&#039;re right as usual Holmes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheel searching &#8211; so you spotted I don&#8217;t do that &#8211; you&#8217;re right as usual Holmes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not necessarily -- you made creative use of the tools at hand. If we can teach you the habit of wheel-searching we could make a programmer of you yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily &#8212; you made creative use of the tools at hand. If we can teach you the habit of wheel-searching we could make a programmer of you yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350444</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx Jacques. 

&quot;What Nick did was quite clever in its way.&quot;

A nice way of saying Nick stuffed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx Jacques. </p>
<p>&#8220;What Nick did was quite clever in its way.&#8221;</p>
<p>A nice way of saying Nick stuffed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350427</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick -- formatting fixed. Part of the problem is that Wordpress is iffy about &lt;ul&gt; (&quot;unordered list&quot;) tags entered at the comment box. What Nick did was quite clever in its way.

In any case, I&#039;ve manually inserted the correct tags for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick &#8212; formatting fixed. Part of the problem is that Wordpress is iffy about &lt;ul&gt; (&#8220;unordered list&#8221;) tags entered at the comment box. What Nick did was quite clever in its way.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;ve manually inserted the correct tags for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350397</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit confused by your two points Nick, I think the formatting got out of control!

If you are responding to me then I think they are reasonable points I agree with the second. I don&#039;t know the answer to the first and certainly the European example sheds no light on what effect someone like Hawke might have done!! So I will accept that you might be right, but with the comparative material I have, Howard did a magnificent job, even if inadvertently.

In essence he resisted the urge (whether or not he personally was so urged) to disenfranchise her supporters, but instead gave them a hearing and a response. Probably the only mainstream Western government to do so, with the possible exception of the US (where some parts did and others did not).

Ironically some of the Western European governments were actually pursuing plenty of impeccably racist policies which had they dared admit them probably would have encouraged a great number of Le Pen/Haider/etc supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit confused by your two points Nick, I think the formatting got out of control!</p>
<p>If you are responding to me then I think they are reasonable points I agree with the second. I don&#8217;t know the answer to the first and certainly the European example sheds no light on what effect someone like Hawke might have done!! So I will accept that you might be right, but with the comparative material I have, Howard did a magnificent job, even if inadvertently.</p>
<p>In essence he resisted the urge (whether or not he personally was so urged) to disenfranchise her supporters, but instead gave them a hearing and a response. Probably the only mainstream Western government to do so, with the possible exception of the US (where some parts did and others did not).</p>
<p>Ironically some of the Western European governments were actually pursuing plenty of impeccably racist policies which had they dared admit them probably would have encouraged a great number of Le Pen/Haider/etc supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel_</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350352</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it fair to call this &quot;dehumanising&quot;?  I thought that every human was naked under their clothes. Politics should not be about the humans in government, it should be about the policies of government. Newspaper articles showing John Howard going to the cricket are every bit as damaging as digging up  ancient nude photos (or going wild with photoshop, depending on who you believe).

&lt;blockquote&gt;So its all very well for someone like me to sit here and say that I find Hansons policies repellent (and I do), but hey, its not my job which is at risk. Rather than just dismissing Hanson supporters as racist, I think its important to acknowledge reasons why her views might be attractive to a certain group of people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And equally valid to understand why trashing her is of benefit to a certain different group of people who  don&#039;t like the idea of anyone speaking up and forming a focal point for the dissatisfaction of the less educated classes. Politics is a dirty business, and that isn&#039;t likely to change soon. Do we want to run a few side bets on whether Rudd will increase or decrease the immigration quotas now that recession has hit? It doesn&#039;t get mentioned much but while Howard was throwing children overboard he was also supervising a relatively high rate of immigration.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I dont agree, Nick. The newspapers are in desperate financial straights and they know that publishing this type of trash will temporarily boost their sales. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

True enough, when the papers are gone there will always be anon accounts on youtube and the Internet viral email trashing. Maybe we will be hiring Chinese experts to help us deal with such threats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it fair to call this &#8220;dehumanising&#8221;?  I thought that every human was naked under their clothes. Politics should not be about the humans in government, it should be about the policies of government. Newspaper articles showing John Howard going to the cricket are every bit as damaging as digging up  ancient nude photos (or going wild with photoshop, depending on who you believe).</p>
<blockquote><p>So its all very well for someone like me to sit here and say that I find Hansons policies repellent (and I do), but hey, its not my job which is at risk. Rather than just dismissing Hanson supporters as racist, I think its important to acknowledge reasons why her views might be attractive to a certain group of people.</p></blockquote>
<p>And equally valid to understand why trashing her is of benefit to a certain different group of people who  don&#8217;t like the idea of anyone speaking up and forming a focal point for the dissatisfaction of the less educated classes. Politics is a dirty business, and that isn&#8217;t likely to change soon. Do we want to run a few side bets on whether Rudd will increase or decrease the immigration quotas now that recession has hit? It doesn&#8217;t get mentioned much but while Howard was throwing children overboard he was also supervising a relatively high rate of immigration.</p>
<blockquote><p>I dont agree, Nick. The newspapers are in desperate financial straights and they know that publishing this type of trash will temporarily boost their sales. </p></blockquote>
<p>True enough, when the papers are gone there will always be anon accounts on youtube and the Internet viral email trashing. Maybe we will be hiring Chinese experts to help us deal with such threats.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350287</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points. 

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&lt;li&gt;Perhaps Howard&#039;s handling of Hanson was masterful.  I though it was just sympathetic (ie to her - Howard was the only Cabinet Minister in the Fraser Govt to object to Fraser&#039;s generosity to boat people). And would race relations in Aust be worse if Hawke had been in power.  He wouldn&#039;t have tolerated her views and wouldn&#039;t have given her the oxygen she got - Malcolm Fraser too.  Both as PM were prepared to be persuaders rather than dividers - as opposed to Keating and Howard.&lt;/li&gt;

&lt;li&gt;I think we have reasonably civilised race relations with aborigines.  We just have terrible living conditions for aborigines, which are largely the result of social breakdown in those communities.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points. </p>
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<li>Perhaps Howard&#8217;s handling of Hanson was masterful.  I though it was just sympathetic (ie to her &#8211; Howard was the only Cabinet Minister in the Fraser Govt to object to Fraser&#8217;s generosity to boat people). And would race relations in Aust be worse if Hawke had been in power.  He wouldn&#8217;t have tolerated her views and wouldn&#8217;t have given her the oxygen she got &#8211; Malcolm Fraser too.  Both as PM were prepared to be persuaders rather than dividers &#8211; as opposed to Keating and Howard.</li>
<li>I think we have reasonably civilised race relations with aborigines.  We just have terrible living conditions for aborigines, which are largely the result of social breakdown in those communities.</li>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350258</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mel is right. I don&#039;t really know, but I find it hard to imagine that any other woman would get off in similar circumstances.

I think GeoffR has accurately described Hanson&#039;s followers, or a couple percent of them at least. I think Nick is closer to the mark on the rest of them, however, I am not sure about them being victims. To a larger extent, I would have thought they were mainly just people. People with different cultural contexts to some of us and people with different history to some of us, but not fundamentally victims of anything or one.

Hanson, or Howard&#039;s handling of her, was an amazingly positive thing for Australia. Idealists might think otherwise but how many countries have had such civilised race relations (leaving to one side Aborigines for the moment, but the point is probably valid even with them)? 

Consider Europe and the massive support there of the far right. Can you imagine Hanson getting 20% of the vote? GeoffR, do you think that 20% of Western Europe fits the description you offered?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mel is right. I don&#8217;t really know, but I find it hard to imagine that any other woman would get off in similar circumstances.</p>
<p>I think GeoffR has accurately described Hanson&#8217;s followers, or a couple percent of them at least. I think Nick is closer to the mark on the rest of them, however, I am not sure about them being victims. To a larger extent, I would have thought they were mainly just people. People with different cultural contexts to some of us and people with different history to some of us, but not fundamentally victims of anything or one.</p>
<p>Hanson, or Howard&#8217;s handling of her, was an amazingly positive thing for Australia. Idealists might think otherwise but how many countries have had such civilised race relations (leaving to one side Aborigines for the moment, but the point is probably valid even with them)? </p>
<p>Consider Europe and the massive support there of the far right. Can you imagine Hanson getting 20% of the vote? GeoffR, do you think that 20% of Western Europe fits the description you offered?</p>
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		<title>By: GeoffRobinson</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350223</link>
		<dc:creator>GeoffRobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The revolutionary left was never able to decide whether Hanson&#039;s supporters were Nazis time transported from 1932 Germany or people who got lost on the way to a anti-globalization meeting. Hanson drew her core support from people with wrong &amp; often outright crazy views: biological racism, the denial of indigenous land ownership etc. etc. Hanson&#039;s support wasn&#039;t just due to economic factors and actually it is patronising to claim this, Jhadism is a similar example. But the fact that people have mad and crazy views doesn&#039;t destroy their rights consider the debate about sedition legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The revolutionary left was never able to decide whether Hanson&#8217;s supporters were Nazis time transported from 1932 Germany or people who got lost on the way to a anti-globalization meeting. Hanson drew her core support from people with wrong &amp; often outright crazy views: biological racism, the denial of indigenous land ownership etc. etc. Hanson&#8217;s support wasn&#8217;t just due to economic factors and actually it is patronising to claim this, Jhadism is a similar example. But the fact that people have mad and crazy views doesn&#8217;t destroy their rights consider the debate about sedition legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350222</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought there were class aspects to this. Someone of my acquaintance said about the photos, &quot;Just shows she&#039;s always been white trash, doesn&#039;t it?&quot;: the implication being that it&#039;s okay to invade this woman&#039;s privacy because she&#039;s white trash and she has no finer feelings... Hey, let&#039;s add to the mix that she&#039;s a sl*t too. 

I was reading &lt;em&gt;The Undercover Economist&lt;/em&gt; (as recommended by SL) which has an analysis of why anti-immigration policies appeal to unskilled labourers in the US. Skilled workers welcome immigration and diversity because a new unskilled workforce doesn&#039;t threaten their livelihood. By contrast, once the pool of unskilled labourers is increased, the wages of these workers goes down because they are no longer as scarce. 

So it&#039;s all very well for someone like me to sit here and say that I find Hanson&#039;s policies repellent (and I do), but hey, it&#039;s not my job which is at risk. Rather than just dismissing Hanson supporters as racist, I think it&#039;s important to acknowledge reasons why her views might be attractive to a certain group of people. As Sparrow notes, a certain amount of the attraction is rank bigotry, and an unpleasant desire to kick those who are already down, but her views also tapped into fears about jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought there were class aspects to this. Someone of my acquaintance said about the photos, &#8220;Just shows she&#8217;s always been white trash, doesn&#8217;t it?&#8221;: the implication being that it&#8217;s okay to invade this woman&#8217;s privacy because she&#8217;s white trash and she has no finer feelings&#8230; Hey, let&#8217;s add to the mix that she&#8217;s a sl*t too. </p>
<p>I was reading <em>The Undercover Economist</em> (as recommended by SL) which has an analysis of why anti-immigration policies appeal to unskilled labourers in the US. Skilled workers welcome immigration and diversity because a new unskilled workforce doesn&#8217;t threaten their livelihood. By contrast, once the pool of unskilled labourers is increased, the wages of these workers goes down because they are no longer as scarce. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s all very well for someone like me to sit here and say that I find Hanson&#8217;s policies repellent (and I do), but hey, it&#8217;s not my job which is at risk. Rather than just dismissing Hanson supporters as racist, I think it&#8217;s important to acknowledge reasons why her views might be attractive to a certain group of people. As Sparrow notes, a certain amount of the attraction is rank bigotry, and an unpleasant desire to kick those who are already down, but her views also tapped into fears about jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer &#187; A tort of invasion of privacy for Australia?</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer &#187; A tort of invasion of privacy for Australia?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350213</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough, I find myself agreeing with both Jeff Sparrow &amp; melaleuca -- even though they disagree with each other! I do think this is class inflected, but class isn&#039;t the only prism through which someone can view it. Mel is right to flag the privacy issue, and as Margaret Simons speculated over at her place, this could well be the incident that sees Australian law develop a tort of &#039;invasion of privacy&#039;. Simons -- as you would expect -- frets about what this will do to freedom of the press, but she&#039;s also woman enough to admit that the media have kicked a colossal own goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough, I find myself agreeing with both Jeff Sparrow &amp; melaleuca &#8212; even though they disagree with each other! I do think this is class inflected, but class isn&#8217;t the only prism through which someone can view it. Mel is right to flag the privacy issue, and as Margaret Simons speculated over at her place, this could well be the incident that sees Australian law develop a tort of &#8216;invasion of privacy&#8217;. Simons &#8212; as you would expect &#8212; frets about what this will do to freedom of the press, but she&#8217;s also woman enough to admit that the media have kicked a colossal own goal.</p>
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		<title>By: melaleuca</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350212</link>
		<dc:creator>melaleuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 14:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree, Nick. The newspapers are in desperate financial straights and they know that publishing this type of trash will temporarily boost their sales. 

Do you seriously think tabloids wouldn&#039;t publish nudey pics featuring Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard?  

Besides, Hanson was a fish n&#039; chip shop owner and hence part of the petty bourgeoisie rather than &quot;poor white trash&quot;, which corresponds more closely to the lumpen proletariat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree, Nick. The newspapers are in desperate financial straights and they know that publishing this type of trash will temporarily boost their sales. </p>
<p>Do you seriously think tabloids wouldn&#8217;t publish nudey pics featuring Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard?  </p>
<p>Besides, Hanson was a fish n&#8217; chip shop owner and hence part of the petty bourgeoisie rather than &#8220;poor white trash&#8221;, which corresponds more closely to the lumpen proletariat.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350200</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel,

I know that that is how one can read it, and if he&#039;s shoehorning it you&#039;re right.  But it enables him to see the obvious which is not something that others have commented on.  She&#039;s open for this treatment because she&#039;s seen as poor white trash - like Sparrow says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel,</p>
<p>I know that that is how one can read it, and if he&#8217;s shoehorning it you&#8217;re right.  But it enables him to see the obvious which is not something that others have commented on.  She&#8217;s open for this treatment because she&#8217;s seen as poor white trash &#8211; like Sparrow says.</p>
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		<title>By: melaleuca</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350182</link>
		<dc:creator>melaleuca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise what Hanson stood for but the main issue here isn&#039;t about Hanson- it is about the need to give some form of privacy protection to people who enter public life.  If democracy is to flourish we need people from the ranks of the best and the brightest to throw their hat into the ring and we also need mass membership political parties. We don&#039;t have this now and the repeat of episodes like this one with Hanson (it doesn&#039;t matter if the photos are genuine or not) is yet another deterrent to entering politics. After all most people probably have a skeleton or two in the closet from their youth that they don&#039;t want to see on the front page of the tabloids, or at the very least a couple of embarrassing relatives.

Sparrow, the author of the piece, is an unreformed Marxist who has tried to shoehorn this story into a predictable and simplistic class, race and gender narrative. How boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise what Hanson stood for but the main issue here isn&#8217;t about Hanson- it is about the need to give some form of privacy protection to people who enter public life.  If democracy is to flourish we need people from the ranks of the best and the brightest to throw their hat into the ring and we also need mass membership political parties. We don&#8217;t have this now and the repeat of episodes like this one with Hanson (it doesn&#8217;t matter if the photos are genuine or not) is yet another deterrent to entering politics. After all most people probably have a skeleton or two in the closet from their youth that they don&#8217;t want to see on the front page of the tabloids, or at the very least a couple of embarrassing relatives.</p>
<p>Sparrow, the author of the piece, is an unreformed Marxist who has tried to shoehorn this story into a predictable and simplistic class, race and gender narrative. How boring.</p>
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		<title>By: craiglaw2</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/03/17/jeff-sparrow-on-our-latest-little-episode-in-dehumanising-people/#comment-350117</link>
		<dc:creator>craiglaw2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauline is ordinary but we need ordinary people running this joint. It strengthens our democratic and civil society. Our pollies are mostly suit-wearing wonks and/or failed celebs.

A strong and prosperous society is built upon a strong democracy. It tolerates the outrageous margins such as Pauline&#039;s wacky policies. It&#039;s inclusive and human. It would allow Peter Garrett a public voice. It would not jail Pauline Hanson.

Prosperity is not built upon ill-defined concepts such as technology and globalisation. These are mere levers; we can choose how we use them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauline is ordinary but we need ordinary people running this joint. It strengthens our democratic and civil society. Our pollies are mostly suit-wearing wonks and/or failed celebs.</p>
<p>A strong and prosperous society is built upon a strong democracy. It tolerates the outrageous margins such as Pauline&#8217;s wacky policies. It&#8217;s inclusive and human. It would allow Peter Garrett a public voice. It would not jail Pauline Hanson.</p>
<p>Prosperity is not built upon ill-defined concepts such as technology and globalisation. These are mere levers; we can choose how we use them!</p>
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