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		<title>By: Tel_</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360940</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an interesting parallel between Stalin&#039;s imaginary enemies of the state that made him feel it was necessary to run regular show trials (with executions) as compared with Joe McCarthy&#039;s reds under the bed and his famous trials (fortunately no executions, still hurt a lot of people).

Common theme: any centralised power structure will have a tendency to consolidate its authority by fostering intolerance. The more totalitarian the central power, the more violent and arbitrary will be the political purges. It really doesn&#039;t matter what exactly they are being intolerant about, the objective of the exercise is to impose fear and obedience.

So the important question is, did Quadrant encourage tolerance or intolerance? I&#039;ll leave the answer for people who actually read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an interesting parallel between Stalin&#8217;s imaginary enemies of the state that made him feel it was necessary to run regular show trials (with executions) as compared with Joe McCarthy&#8217;s reds under the bed and his famous trials (fortunately no executions, still hurt a lot of people).</p>
<p>Common theme: any centralised power structure will have a tendency to consolidate its authority by fostering intolerance. The more totalitarian the central power, the more violent and arbitrary will be the political purges. It really doesn&#8217;t matter what exactly they are being intolerant about, the objective of the exercise is to impose fear and obedience.</p>
<p>So the important question is, did Quadrant encourage tolerance or intolerance? I&#8217;ll leave the answer for people who actually read it.</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360938</link>
		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you point to a single western nation that came close to a communist revolution? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Does Italy count? (We&#039;d have to agree on a definition of &quot;close&quot;)
I find the whole implied triumphalism a bit strange given the looming prospect of Chinese dominance. Or are they not &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; communists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you point to a single western nation that came close to a communist revolution? </p></blockquote>
<p>Does Italy count? (We&#8217;d have to agree on a definition of &#8220;close&#8221;)<br />
I find the whole implied triumphalism a bit strange given the looming prospect of Chinese dominance. Or are they not <em>real</em> communists?</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360931</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris......wash out your mouth!! That Muslim Threat is far from imaginary. To some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8230;&#8230;wash out your mouth!! That Muslim Threat is far from imaginary. To some.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360923</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot see the point of this sequence of posts Rafe. Perhaps you should just send themto Eric Hobsbawn instead. The overwhelming majority of people were fanatically anti-communist in the 50s and 60s. Anti-communism was used as a tool to suppress any sort of discussion of state ownership, industrial democracy, worker solidarity. There was no need for a CIA funded an anti-socialist magazine.

The fact that the CIA thought it worthwhile to finance Quadrant in the most anti-communist country in the world next to the US shows what a paranoid rabble they were, and still are. They neednt have bothered. All the major newspapers were 100% anti-communist already. Please dont point me to any Cato institute link of historical accounts of the communist conspiracy to take over unions. There was never any real threat. I say again  99% of people in Australia would punch you in the nose if you said you were a communist. Can you point to a single western nation that came close to a communist revolution? 

Stalin was bad because he killed his own people, invaded neighbouring states and supported communist revolutionaries in the third world. Apart from the nukes (a big issue) he was never a threat to Australia. 

Just for the record Rafe  since you seem to think it is necessary that every Australian do this  not only am I sorry for the Stolen Generation but I hereby acknowledge that the communists and fellow travellers were on the wrong side if by communists you mean supporters of the Russian state rather than those who just believed in more state ownership or industrial democracy. But the friends of Quadrant were also on the wrong side. Like Joe McCarthy, they used an imaginary threat and a small number of vocal Australian Russia supporters to support a general right wing agenda and distort the political landscape for decades. Not so different from the way the imaginary threat of the Muslims destroying the world is used these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot see the point of this sequence of posts Rafe. Perhaps you should just send themto Eric Hobsbawn instead. The overwhelming majority of people were fanatically anti-communist in the 50s and 60s. Anti-communism was used as a tool to suppress any sort of discussion of state ownership, industrial democracy, worker solidarity. There was no need for a CIA funded an anti-socialist magazine.</p>
<p>The fact that the CIA thought it worthwhile to finance Quadrant in the most anti-communist country in the world next to the US shows what a paranoid rabble they were, and still are. They neednt have bothered. All the major newspapers were 100% anti-communist already. Please dont point me to any Cato institute link of historical accounts of the communist conspiracy to take over unions. There was never any real threat. I say again  99% of people in Australia would punch you in the nose if you said you were a communist. Can you point to a single western nation that came close to a communist revolution? </p>
<p>Stalin was bad because he killed his own people, invaded neighbouring states and supported communist revolutionaries in the third world. Apart from the nukes (a big issue) he was never a threat to Australia. </p>
<p>Just for the record Rafe  since you seem to think it is necessary that every Australian do this  not only am I sorry for the Stolen Generation but I hereby acknowledge that the communists and fellow travellers were on the wrong side if by communists you mean supporters of the Russian state rather than those who just believed in more state ownership or industrial democracy. But the friends of Quadrant were also on the wrong side. Like Joe McCarthy, they used an imaginary threat and a small number of vocal Australian Russia supporters to support a general right wing agenda and distort the political landscape for decades. Not so different from the way the imaginary threat of the Muslims destroying the world is used these days.</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360885</link>
		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still wondering what you meant by &quot;correct&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: Rafe Champion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts zoot.

You can think of it as an exam which was failed by a great many lefties, especially intellectuals. But as Orwell wrote, it helps to be a certain kind of intellectual to support communism.

Some intellectuals are still rusted on, Eric Hobsbawn for example. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts zoot.</p>
<p>You can think of it as an exam which was failed by a great many lefties, especially intellectuals. But as Orwell wrote, it helps to be a certain kind of intellectual to support communism.</p>
<p>Some intellectuals are still rusted on, Eric Hobsbawn for example. </p>
<p>What do you think about that?</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2009/11/09/a-tribute-to-quadrant-magazine/#comment-360875</link>
		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The knockers of Quadrant have yet to understand or admit that in the Cold War the friends of Quadrant were on the correct side and the communists and fellow travellers were not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not sure what you mean by the &quot;correct&quot; side. I can understand they were on &quot;our&quot; side, or the &quot;winning&quot; side, but what on earth is the &quot;correct&quot; side. It sounds as if they sat an exam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The knockers of Quadrant have yet to understand or admit that in the Cold War the friends of Quadrant were on the correct side and the communists and fellow travellers were not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure what you mean by the &#8220;correct&#8221; side. I can understand they were on &#8220;our&#8221; side, or the &#8220;winning&#8221; side, but what on earth is the &#8220;correct&#8221; side. It sounds as if they sat an exam.</p>
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