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		<title>By: Nabayarlathotep</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361867</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabayarlathotep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you mixed up your quote there Peter.
Lady Astor would never have been found in a crowd.

However this line is real and well sourced.

LBJ: Well jus&#039; tell &#039;em he fucks pigs.
Aide: But Senator we can&#039;t go around saying your oppenent does that!
LBJ: Why yes son, we can&#039;t say that. Instead we&#039;re gonna make that SOB try to deny it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mixed up your quote there Peter.<br />
Lady Astor would never have been found in a crowd.</p>
<p>However this line is real and well sourced.</p>
<p>LBJ: Well jus&#8217; tell &#8216;em he fucks pigs.<br />
Aide: But Senator we can&#8217;t go around saying your oppenent does that!<br />
LBJ: Why yes son, we can&#8217;t say that. Instead we&#8217;re gonna make that SOB try to deny it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Patton</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361852</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gold.

There is also the famous Churchill response to a heckler.


Woman in crowd: Prime Minister if you were my husband, I&#039;d poison your tea.

Churchill: Lady Astor, if I were Lord Astor, I&#039;d drink it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gold.</p>
<p>There is also the famous Churchill response to a heckler.</p>
<p>Woman in crowd: Prime Minister if you were my husband, I&#8217;d poison your tea.</p>
<p>Churchill: Lady Astor, if I were Lord Astor, I&#8217;d drink it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361851</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Im weary of blog commenters who insist on describing their visceral reactions.&quot;

Sounds like a bit of a gut reaction there Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Im weary of blog commenters who insist on describing their visceral reactions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a bit of a gut reaction there Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361850</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um Peter, are you claiming Menzies was a snotty elitist? If so, you go girl!

Though I&#039;m all for pollies putting themselves in unscripted and uncontrolled environments.

Best badinage in such scenario I ever personally heard and saw was when John Hewson in the 1993 election campaign held a public rally in Melbourne. And kudos to him for that. 

However one of his staffers thought it would be a cool move to have a plant in crowd chuck a dorothy dixer of an egg at him so he could easily pluck it out of the air then shout &quot;I get the catch of the day&quot;. Oh those brutish Labor barrackers and our quick witted next PM, etc, etc.

It all went according to plan and Hewson triumphantly caught and held up the egg and delivered his line &quot;catch of the day!&quot;- only to have a very loud and distinctly Australian voice say out of  the crowd, &quot;Mate, that&#039;s a duck&#039;s egg.&quot;

General outbreaks of mirth and Hewson left on stage looking for a staffer to quickly take away the egg in front of his face.

And I also once saw Brumby on the stump (pretty literally, he was actually standing on an old wooden cable spool) in regional Victoria, speechifying away when someone shouted out &quot;what about my water?&quot;. Brumby without missing a beat said &quot;Can you hold it until after I&#039;ve finished?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um Peter, are you claiming Menzies was a snotty elitist? If so, you go girl!</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;m all for pollies putting themselves in unscripted and uncontrolled environments.</p>
<p>Best badinage in such scenario I ever personally heard and saw was when John Hewson in the 1993 election campaign held a public rally in Melbourne. And kudos to him for that. </p>
<p>However one of his staffers thought it would be a cool move to have a plant in crowd chuck a dorothy dixer of an egg at him so he could easily pluck it out of the air then shout &#8220;I get the catch of the day&#8221;. Oh those brutish Labor barrackers and our quick witted next PM, etc, etc.</p>
<p>It all went according to plan and Hewson triumphantly caught and held up the egg and delivered his line &#8220;catch of the day!&#8221;- only to have a very loud and distinctly Australian voice say out of  the crowd, &#8220;Mate, that&#8217;s a duck&#8217;s egg.&#8221;</p>
<p>General outbreaks of mirth and Hewson left on stage looking for a staffer to quickly take away the egg in front of his face.</p>
<p>And I also once saw Brumby on the stump (pretty literally, he was actually standing on an old wooden cable spool) in regional Victoria, speechifying away when someone shouted out &#8220;what about my water?&#8221;. Brumby without missing a beat said &#8220;Can you hold it until after I&#8217;ve finished?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361845</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff, it isn&#039;t clear whether you dislike the concept itself, or its misapplication. I&#039;m happy to defend both the concept and my application of it here.  For my own part, I&#039;m weary of blog commenters who insist on describing their visceral reactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff, it isn&#8217;t clear whether you dislike the concept itself, or its misapplication. I&#8217;m happy to defend both the concept and my application of it here.  For my own part, I&#8217;m weary of blog commenters who insist on describing their visceral reactions.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Patton</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361842</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nabakov

Indeed, like ALL that evidence that taxing the crap out of alcopops kills a teenage girl&#039;s desire to get legless on bourbon straight from the bottle instead!   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nabakov</p>
<p>Indeed, like ALL that evidence that taxing the crap out of alcopops kills a teenage girl&#8217;s desire to get legless on bourbon straight from the bottle instead!   :)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Patton</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361839</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the whole Q&amp;A setup really scary. Why not real live townhall meetings. I would love to have been alive during the infamous retort by Menzies to the heckler&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&#039;Ere Proim Minster, whatcha gunna do &#039;bout &#039;housing?&lt;/i&gt;

To which Menzies replied:

&lt;i&gt;Well madam, the first thing I;m going to do is put an aitch before it&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the whole Q&amp;A setup really scary. Why not real live townhall meetings. I would love to have been alive during the infamous retort by Menzies to the heckler&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8216;Ere Proim Minster, whatcha gunna do &#8217;bout &#8216;housing?</i></p>
<p>To which Menzies replied:</p>
<p><i>Well madam, the first thing I;m going to do is put an aitch before it</i></p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361830</link>
		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I believe in something called evidence-based policy&quot;

If I was in that audience as the young smartarse that I am now (except older), I would have heckled back with &quot;don&#039;t you mean policy-based evidence making&quot;.

I think the one lesson we can all draw from this exercise, regardless of partisan viewpoints, is that when it comes to grilling our pollies in real time, unpaid, untrained teenagers do just as a good, if not better, job than the MSM commentariat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe in something called evidence-based policy&#8221;</p>
<p>If I was in that audience as the young smartarse that I am now (except older), I would have heckled back with &#8220;don&#8217;t you mean policy-based evidence making&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think the one lesson we can all draw from this exercise, regardless of partisan viewpoints, is that when it comes to grilling our pollies in real time, unpaid, untrained teenagers do just as a good, if not better, job than the MSM commentariat.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Honnor</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361817</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Honnor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the heroically condescending,  &quot;you know, I believe in something called evidence-based policy&quot; (gee Mr Rudd, what&#039;s that important-sounding shit?) followed by a desperate call for a snap hands-up poll on the drinking age, was vintage Rudd - and comedy gold. 

James: every time I read some blogger banging on about &quot;talking points,&quot; I reach for my remote and my revolver - as someone (possibly Gummo Trotsky? Perhaps Eva Braun? Definitely not Mark Bahnisch)once said. 

I think you mean - &#039;someone offered a point of view that differs significantly from my own.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the heroically condescending,  &#8220;you know, I believe in something called evidence-based policy&#8221; (gee Mr Rudd, what&#8217;s that important-sounding shit?) followed by a desperate call for a snap hands-up poll on the drinking age, was vintage Rudd &#8211; and comedy gold. </p>
<p>James: every time I read some blogger banging on about &#8220;talking points,&#8221; I reach for my remote and my revolver &#8211; as someone (possibly Gummo Trotsky? Perhaps Eva Braun? Definitely not Mark Bahnisch)once said. </p>
<p>I think you mean &#8211; &#8216;someone offered a point of view that differs significantly from my own.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Eat The Rich</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361798</link>
		<dc:creator>Eat The Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair summary. I thought Rudd was ok and at times found him engaging. I was surprised by how much I warmed to him, considering I pretty much switch off whenever he comes on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair summary. I thought Rudd was ok and at times found him engaging. I was surprised by how much I warmed to him, considering I pretty much switch off whenever he comes on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony T</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361793</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s all down to who you barrack for. Your review sits in stark contrast to those scathing reviews which said Rudd looked like a grumpy sulk as he was hosed by the kiddies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s all down to who you barrack for. Your review sits in stark contrast to those scathing reviews which said Rudd looked like a grumpy sulk as he was hosed by the kiddies.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361785</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Sam. The people who were allowed follow-up questions all disagreed with Rudd on the issues they were pursuing. They were mostly trying to hold Rudd to account on Labor promises. Abbott Jr was just rehearsing denialist talking points that have had ample airtime, and weren&#039;t going to lead anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Sam. The people who were allowed follow-up questions all disagreed with Rudd on the issues they were pursuing. They were mostly trying to hold Rudd to account on Labor promises. Abbott Jr was just rehearsing denialist talking points that have had ample airtime, and weren&#8217;t going to lead anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361772</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The impression of respect was enhanced by the fact that Jones allowed several of the questioners to ask follow-up questions if they were dissatisfied by the first answer. To the relief of all, this privilege wasnt extended to a rabid-looking climate denialist, who looked for all the world like a junior Tony Abbott.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words they showed a lot of respect to people who already agreed with Rudd and the ABC&#039;s worldview.

More news at 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The impression of respect was enhanced by the fact that Jones allowed several of the questioners to ask follow-up questions if they were dissatisfied by the first answer. To the relief of all, this privilege wasnt extended to a rabid-looking climate denialist, who looked for all the world like a junior Tony Abbott.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words they showed a lot of respect to people who already agreed with Rudd and the ABC&#8217;s worldview.</p>
<p>More news at 11.</p>
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		<title>By: James Farrell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361734</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ll take the next ten or so &#039;I hate Q&amp;A&#039; comments as read. On the other hand, if anyone actually watched it, I&#039;d love to know what you thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ll take the next ten or so &#8216;I hate Q&amp;A&#8217; comments as read. On the other hand, if anyone actually watched it, I&#8217;d love to know what you thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Xavier Holden</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361732</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Xavier Holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I initially misheard it earlier as the wonderful QI and it took me a few seconds to realise it was QA and with added Rudd factor. Luckily I clicked it off quickly and tidied up the kitchen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I initially misheard it earlier as the wonderful QI and it took me a few seconds to realise it was QA and with added Rudd factor. Luckily I clicked it off quickly and tidied up the kitchen.</p>
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		<title>By: Gummo Trotsky</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361727</link>
		<dc:creator>Gummo Trotsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I hear the phrase &quot;Q &amp; A&quot;, I reach for my remote control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I hear the phrase &#8220;Q &amp; A&#8221;, I reach for my remote control.</p>
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		<title>By: Wicking</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361726</link>
		<dc:creator>Wicking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that was Rudd enjoying himself I&#039;d hate to see him getting his toenails ripped out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that was Rudd enjoying himself I&#8217;d hate to see him getting his toenails ripped out.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrickg</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/09/rudd-on-qa/#comment-361725</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrickg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a representative cross-section of 15-25 year olds, in terms of political background.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, there&#039;s the rub, James. Representative of ideology, certainly, but the fact is a large majority of 15-25 are greens/labor voters. 

Mind you, I don&#039;t give a toss of Abetz-like sympathiser routing, so I could care less. Rudd was nerdy, and a bit on the boring side I think. But I also think political commentators in general are way too hard on boring. For an incumbent, especially, it&#039;s a welcome quality for most the electorate I wager. He wasn&#039;t playing to those kids, he was playing to the boomers watching. 

Tony Abbott&#039;s session will be comedy gold. It will be the televisual experience of sitting on one of those spa-intakes from the seventies that suck your entrails out your butt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a representative cross-section of 15-25 year olds, in terms of political background.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, there&#8217;s the rub, James. Representative of ideology, certainly, but the fact is a large majority of 15-25 are greens/labor voters. </p>
<p>Mind you, I don&#8217;t give a toss of Abetz-like sympathiser routing, so I could care less. Rudd was nerdy, and a bit on the boring side I think. But I also think political commentators in general are way too hard on boring. For an incumbent, especially, it&#8217;s a welcome quality for most the electorate I wager. He wasn&#8217;t playing to those kids, he was playing to the boomers watching. </p>
<p>Tony Abbott&#8217;s session will be comedy gold. It will be the televisual experience of sitting on one of those spa-intakes from the seventies that suck your entrails out your butt.</p>
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