Missing Link Friday – Burkas, bogans, burbs and crap

Don’t post crap! Troppo readers were up in arms about Rafe Champion’s post on the Monckton and Dennis climate change debate. Rafe wants to know "how the warming lobby and Greens managed to inflate a possible temperature increase of a degree or two over the next century into the greatest moral challenge to humankind." Commenter Mr Denmore has a question of his own: "When did Club Troppo become a home for nut jobs?"

Menzies House: There’s room for (almost) everyone. "When people suggest to you that climate change is not a moral issue, they’re wrong" says coalition front bencher Malcolm Turnbull. "It is an intensely moral issue." Back in May Menzies House blogger Colin McKay posted pictures of sliced testicles and suggested Turnbull’s stance on climate change was motivated by a desire to get "his balls back" after being named in a multi-million dollar law suit. Commenter Sean hit back: "This is a conspiracy-theory nutjob article and I think the editors should read articles before they are published."

You Can’t Say That! Controversial German author Thilo Sarrazin will join other opponents of ‘political correctness’ at the Centre for Independent Studies’ next Big Ideas Forum. According to the Economist: "Mr Sarrazin’s argument is that the right sort of German women are having too few babies and that the wrong sort—Muslims and those with little education—are having too many. The result is not only that Germany’s population is shrinking, it is also getting dumber." But at Spiegel Online last year Reiner Klingholz explained why the debate over Sarrazin’s book is missing the point. If Germany is to avoid the demographic problems afflicting Japan, it needs to look to the immigration policies of countries like Australia and increase its intake of skilled migrants.

Is the pool room full? At the Economist’s Democracy in America blog Matt Steinglass wonders whether consumers are getting sick of buying new stuff. It’s an idea that appeals to Kim at Larvatus Prodeo. Over the past few months she’s been arguing that "having lots of stuff is losing its lustre."

Bogans of ancient Rome. On a recent trip to Rome’s Capitoline museum, Skepticlawyer stumbled across an exhibit of not particularly tasteful ancient Roman knick-knacks: "It’s so nice to know that other civilisations had their equivalent of bogans, chavs, neds… and the attendant tatt."

Abandoning the burbs? According to a recent piece in the Wall Street Journal, Generation Y aren’t interested in outer suburban McMansions. But after looking at data from the last Census Joel Kotkin disagrees. In fact there’s "a marked acceleration of movement not into cities but toward suburban and exurban locations."

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Asylum seekers – an update

As ABC 7:30 highlighted last night, it appears that the Gillard government is about to formally sign the deal with Malaysia that will see boat-arriving asylum seekers returned to the back of the queue in that country without processing.  Assuming that UNHCR accepts it (apparently the price of acceptance of the deal by Labor’s Left faction) it will represent a huge step towards resolving one of the major causes of Labor’s plummeting popularity.  It’s also a sound policy response, as I’ve argued previously.  I explore additional arguments in this post.

In fact the so-called Malaysia Solution has already been extremely successful in “stopping the boats”, even before it actually comes into effect.  Asylum seekers are arriving by boat at less than half the rate of last year, and a major reason for that must surely be the Gillard government’s pre-emptive announcement of the Malaysia Solution in late April.

However, as 7:30 observed:

But the deal takes effect from when it’s signed, so that means the 407 asylum seekers who’ve arrived here since May, when it was first flagged, are in legal limbo.

That makes it all the more important to conclude a deal with PNG for a permanent offshore detention facility there.  We haven’t heard much about progress on that front recently, probably because of Sir Michael Somare’s illness and retirement from public life.  Now Kevin07 is crook with heart trouble too.   Maybe Julia should just bite the bullet, swallow her pride and do a deal with Nauru now they’ve signed the Refugee Convention.

On a related front, detained asylum seekers continue to demonstrate both on Christmas Island and in DarwinAn earlier story about the Darwin situation raises an issue I’ve been meaning to discuss for some time:

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To “fisk” and to “monckton”

Fisking is ”the practice of savaging an argument and scattering the tattered remnants to the four corners of the internet (named after Robert Fisk of The Independent)” who was a victim. A verbal equivalent of the process was demonstrated last night by Christopher Monckton.

Perhaps the debate should move on to address the problem of extricating ourselves from the impending wave of wasteful and counterproductive regulation. And the question of how the warming lobby and Greens managed to inflate a possible temperature increase of a degree or two over the next century into the greatest moral challenge to humankind. And the way the increase in CO2 is described as pollution when it will tend to green the planet and increase our production of food. Etc.

Moderator (KP) – We do not exercise any pre-publication editorial control here at Troppo.  We trust our authors to exercise sound judgment in what they publish.  Rafe clearly has not exercised sound judgment here.  Troppo aims to publish thoughtful and even challenging articles which make a contribution to public policy debate and analysis.  In my view at least, Rafe’s post (and one or two others from him in recent times) is simply an exercise in regurgitating right wing slogans and makes no constructive contribution to public debate.  Mind you, some of the comments it has generated (e.g. JamesH at #20 and DD at #29) have been really interesting, so maybe there can be some value in occcasional blatant provocation!

I was initially minded simply to withdraw Rafe’s automatic authoring access at Troppo.  However, Rafe is a veteran blogger and almost an icon of the blogosphere.  At the very least he’s an amiable eccentric who doesn’t do any harm because no-one who reads Troppo is likely to take this sort of material remotely seriously anyway.  It may even give you an outlet for a bit of therapeutic spleen-venting!

Our current intention (although Nicholas Gruen isn’t presently in contact) is to leave this post up and continue Rafe’s authoring access but make it clear that we reserve the right to remove any future post that is as lacking in intellectual content as this one.  As Geoff Honnor observes in the comment box to this post, Troppo is an exception to the increasing tendency of the blogosphere to retreat into tribal cyber-enclosures and conduct conversations only with ideologically like-minded.  We want to publish opinion and analysis from diverse viewpoints, but it should be worth reading for its intellectual content not just its amateur shockjock qualities.

RC reply

The only hope for the future lies with civil discourse across party lines. As a centre-left blog I thought Troppo was in that business, like Catallaxy on the centre-nonleft. It this post is not regarded by the management as a reasonable contribution  to that dialogue I do not want to have posting rights on the site. I would not want to post on Lavertus for example. I may want to contribute comments however that is in the balance given the tone of rejoinders to this post.

The ALP will most likely crash and burn on the Green agenda, including the climate change strategies. People of good will of all parties will not rejoice at this spectacle

An hour of my life stolen

Since some episodes are good and others bad, I could never see the point of being either a declared friend or enemy of Q&A. But the bad have so thoroughly outnumbered the good this year that I’m about ready to concede it’s not worth watching. It hit rock bottom last night with what had been billed (at the end of last week’s show) as a discussion that tackles ‘the existence of God and the great moral challenges of our time.’

In fact, the panel didn’t debate the existence of God at all, apart from one set piece by John Lennox about the complementarity of science and religion. Lennox was the only intellect of substance on the panel. He’s an Oxford mathematician and Christian apologist, who’s debated many of the prominent atheists, including Dawkins, Hitchens, and Michael Shermer. In addition to his debating skills and knowledge, Lennox benefits from a happy combination of scholarly gravitas and disarming humility, the latter aided by a charming Irish brogue which is in winning contrast to the superior English accents of Dawkins and Hitchens. Continue reading