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	<title>Comments on: Government 2.0: my first column of the Gittins Summer break</title>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459378</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick,

I agree that you can&#039;t always wait for procedures. I remember when the state Library I used to work for got its first cd-rom. I couldn&#039;t wait to put it out in the reading room and see how it went. But no, first 2 pages of procedures had to be nutted out and written: users would have to book an hour time slot etc etc - before any of us had any idea of who might use it or how.

My concern is not only with the long term - will this be around in 50 years time - but also with will it be searchable. Who will know where this stuff is and how easy will it be to search? For example it would be very nice if all publicly released federal government documents were sent, electronically, to the National Library, who would catalogue them, with a link to the document stored on their server. And state governments could do the same with with their documents and state libraries. Simple, but it doesn&#039;t happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>I agree that you can&#8217;t always wait for procedures. I remember when the state Library I used to work for got its first cd-rom. I couldn&#8217;t wait to put it out in the reading room and see how it went. But no, first 2 pages of procedures had to be nutted out and written: users would have to book an hour time slot etc etc &#8211; before any of us had any idea of who might use it or how.</p>
<p>My concern is not only with the long term &#8211; will this be around in 50 years time &#8211; but also with will it be searchable. Who will know where this stuff is and how easy will it be to search? For example it would be very nice if all publicly released federal government documents were sent, electronically, to the National Library, who would catalogue them, with a link to the document stored on their server. And state governments could do the same with with their documents and state libraries. Simple, but it doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459369</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell, I agree that they should have a policy and implement it. 

But my point is that it is quite unlikely that anything will actually disappear, and I also thoroughly agree with Nicholas that it is far better to take this risk than it is to just not do anything until we have fully understood the ramifications and rammed said ramifications through 1500 pages of policys and approvals.

But as for supposing that the server farms will get ever bigger, well, yes, this does seem an extremely safe thing to suppose (in terms of storage capacity at least!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell, I agree that they should have a policy and implement it. </p>
<p>But my point is that it is quite unlikely that anything will actually disappear, and I also thoroughly agree with Nicholas that it is far better to take this risk than it is to just not do anything until we have fully understood the ramifications and rammed said ramifications through 1500 pages of policys and approvals.</p>
<p>But as for supposing that the server farms will get ever bigger, well, yes, this does seem an extremely safe thing to suppose (in terms of storage capacity at least!).</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459342</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick - the internet is very new and we might suppose that server farms will get ever bigger and that corporations like Facebook will aways present all their data, gratis; or, if we had seen newsprint turn to dust and microfilm to vinegar, we might be more cautious.

It shouldn&#039;t be hard to capture the electronic musings of politicians and government departments, but do our institutions have the resources and sense to do it? (They&#039;re not doing brilliantly with paper!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick &#8211; the internet is very new and we might suppose that server farms will get ever bigger and that corporations like Facebook will aways present all their data, gratis; or, if we had seen newsprint turn to dust and microfilm to vinegar, we might be more cautious.</p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t be hard to capture the electronic musings of politicians and government departments, but do our institutions have the resources and sense to do it? (They&#8217;re not doing brilliantly with paper!)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell:

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archive.org/web/web.php">http://www.archive.org/web/web.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a hint, Russell: if she tweeted it, emailed it, blogged it or otherwise internetted it, chances are stupdendously high that it will be found. Ver little is ever really deleted on the internet (although you may want to start increasing your use of free software just in case).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a hint, Russell: if she tweeted it, emailed it, blogged it or otherwise internetted it, chances are stupdendously high that it will be found. Ver little is ever really deleted on the internet (although you may want to start increasing your use of free software just in case).</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459239</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;old archival requirements&quot;?!

It&#039;s like this ... in a couple of years time some MP is going to go into the parliamentary library and say &quot;Plibersek said xxxxx about xxxx a while ago, can you find that?&quot; And the librarian will check Hansard, no; media releases, no; newspaper articles, no; transcripts of radio and tv interviews, no &amp; no. 

Because she tweeted it, but now it&#039;s gone into the ether, can&#039;t be found, and she can never be held account for it. For a celebrity, who cares, but for the public pronouncement of a government minister, not good enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;old archival requirements&#8221;?!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like this &#8230; in a couple of years time some MP is going to go into the parliamentary library and say &#8220;Plibersek said xxxxx about xxxx a while ago, can you find that?&#8221; And the librarian will check Hansard, no; media releases, no; newspaper articles, no; transcripts of radio and tv interviews, no &amp; no. </p>
<p>Because she tweeted it, but now it&#8217;s gone into the ether, can&#8217;t be found, and she can never be held account for it. For a celebrity, who cares, but for the public pronouncement of a government minister, not good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459208</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a vexed issue. The main thing to keep in mind while trying to work it through is not to pass up really worthwhile technological options for the sake of old archival requirements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a vexed issue. The main thing to keep in mind while trying to work it through is not to pass up really worthwhile technological options for the sake of old archival requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459190</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are the archival implications of government agencies twittering or whatever? Are all these forms of communication recorded and kept and indexed and able to be accessed in the future? Librarians are anxious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the archival implications of government agencies twittering or whatever? Are all these forms of communication recorded and kept and indexed and able to be accessed in the future? Librarians are anxious.</p>
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		<title>By: observa</title>
		<link>http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/12/31/government-2-0-my-first-column-of-the-gittins-summer-break/#comment-459059</link>
		<dc:creator>observa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it&#039;s an interesting Web -15000.0 they weave-
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
And God came among them and said- &quot;Let there be Civilisation!&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s an interesting Web -15000.0 they weave-<br />
<a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text">http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text</a><br />
And God came among them and said- &#8220;Let there be Civilisation!&#8221; ;)</p>
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