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That's David Marr's verdict on the national song, and he asserts that many of his fellow best and brightest agree:
EXTENSIVE soundings among delegates confirm I was not the only one who suddenly realised on Saturday morning as I was singing Advance Australia Fair that among the urgent tasks we face as a nation is ditching this wretched anthem.
I was grateful to Marr for raising the topic, since it seems to be almost off limits in public debate. This is partly because the anthem seems a trivial issue by comparison to aboriginal health, global warming, soil erosion, the tax system, and even the monarchy; so any interest in it betrays a trivial frame of mind. But a likely second reason is that the globalised, globe trotting chattering intelligentsia don't want to appear condescending to their less reflective, more patriotic, non-chattering brothers and sisters, who seem quite fond of their anthem, even if they don't know what girt means.
So I was surprised when Kerry O'Brien raised the issue with the PM on tonight's 7.30 Report. 'Does it move you?' was his question, in a tone that left no doubt O'Brien is of the same opinion as Marr. Well, if it isn't a taboo topic with journalists, it certainly is with politicians. Rudd at first resisted offering an opinion at all, suggesting that the choice of anthem is immutable. But he finally realised he'd seem cold-blooded if he couldn't say he was moved one or the other, and unpatriotic if he didn't stick up for the anthem. He could have defused the question just be saying that as a proud Australian he would be moved by any anthem with a bit of tradition behind it; but instead he opted to champion the song, and managed to put his finger on those very few lines in it that, though they sound naive to a contemporary ear, do in fact carry an elevated sentiment:
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
Unfortunately Rudd spoiled this performance with a bit of petty point scoring of the same kind that briefly marred his Sorry speech, by gratuitously invoking Howard's refugee policy. Nonetheless, I was pleased to discover that my leader wanted something more than chest-beating and swagger from in his national song.
But once we know what we want in terms of message, there must be plenty of songs that convey that message better than Advance Australia Fair, and with a much more uplifting tunes. This includes song that have been written and songs yet to be written. My favourite in the first category is Bruce Woodley's I am Australian. That song expresses Rudd's particular notion of what we stand for much better and more prominently than the incumbent anthem (without bringing boundless plains into the picture at all) as well as giving a pretty unobjectionable potted social history of the nation. The music is also moving, whether it's sung by one voice or by a throng of children.
There are four arguments I can conceive of for keeping the anthem: (1) It may not be a great song, but it's the only one we have that can serve as an anthem, which has to be a particular kind of song. (2) It ensures that other, much better, songs, like Waltzing Matilda and I am Australian, don't suffer the indignity of being sung at football matches. (3) Constancy and tradition is what anthems are all about: it's a great anthem precisely by virtue of the fact that it's ours and we've been using it all this time. Only fickle and shallow peoples change their anthem every few decades. (4) The majority like it.
None of the first three is good enough for me. It's a truly awful song. The lyrics make me cringe every time I hear them. I never rose to the lyrics of God Save the Queen either, but I at least enjoyed singing it, at school assemblies, just for the tune. After thirty years I still get no pleasure from hearing AAF. At the same time, thirty years by no means constitutes a long tradition: in the time frame of national traditions, three decades can be regarded as a short probation at best, and we shouldn't punish ourselves for a momentary lapse of taste. The flag has been around much longer, and isn't nearly as objectionable as the song, but we'll probably change that in due course.
I would respect a poll result, obviously, but I'm confident that a powerful, arresting alternative would win the masses over. In the 1977 plebiscite the only alternatives were Waltzing Matilda, God Save the Queen and Song of Australia (which I can't remember at all). Any other suggestions?
National anthems, with one notable exception, are musical rubbish and their words cringe-worthy.
Consider 'The Star-Spangled Banner', if you want proof. Or 'O Canada.' Or even 'God save the Queen' ('Hearts of Oak' so much better!).
The exception, 'La Marseillaise' -- esp the Berlioz version.
But, I think the world can accommodate only one anthem like that -- '... qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons ...', indeed!
Look, what we've got for Australia is a 'least worst' solution. Except for '... girt by sea', it's not too embarrassing. Let's stick with it.
I think we should lock Don Walker, Don Watson, Paul Kelly, John Doyle and Les Murray in a room with a keyboard and whiteboard for a couple of days.
Jacques,
I'm taken aback by your comment that mentioning the Howard policy on refugees is 'gratuitous' when talking about the relevant lines in the song. Just like your comments regarding the apology. Not mentioning the context is precious. Mentioning it, straightforward.
I hate AAF too. I rather like NZ's song - is it 'God Defend New Zealand'? - though that may be preciousness on my part, or lack of familiarity. Hearing it at the rugby one night it conjured up an innocent sweet kind of pathos for me. So I though it was OK. Our sea girt number is just awful.
But I am you are we are Australian? Give me a break. Give me the innocent faux pompous awfulness of AAF any day compared with that bilge.
Puke. What's with the 'one voice'? What's it all about? Beats me.
I'd never listened to the verses, but clicking on your link I was waiting for the verse with the post 50s migrants. Now I would have hated it for completing the cliche, but it couldn't even manage that. After the abos get a nod via Albert Albert Namatjira, it's back to Ned Kelly. It's a kind of John Howard multiculturalism - celebrating migration but without the migrants. Funny huh?
Sorry mate, I can't stand it.
Give me the jumbuck any time.
What stops Australians from embracing it? Pomposity I'm afraid. We're a pompous lot behind all the palaver about mateship and how informal we are.
We just can't imagine what the neighbours would think.
God Save The Queen is a great song! "God save the queen, her fascist regime, they made you a moron" etc., marvellous stuff. If I thought that could be our national anthem, I'd ditch Advance Australia Fair in a heartbeat.
c'mon, you know the words:
'No future, No future, No future for you'
And Pavlov's Cat, if you substitute "Revolver and one bullet" for whiteboard you've got a deal, but only if it's televised.
Oh c'mon everyone.
Australia already has long had a de facto national anthem that evocatively captures the founding ethos of what made this great nation what it is today.
Nicholas, this isn't Jacques's post. I'd hate for him to fall in your esteem on account of it.
Waltzing Matilda by a country mile. I seem to remember Howard admitting that even he voted for it in the national anthem referendum.
Are you kidding? A melancholy ballad about a suicidal livestock thief rendered in almost incomprehensible archaic argot?
OK, you talked me into it. Provided Vanda and Young do the arrangement.
Ummm, Nabs, that's kinda the point.
Waltzing Matilda should stay where it is. It functions perfectly well as a national cliche: it wouldn't do half so well as a national anthem. It's more singable than memorable, and so it's a fun tune for kids in schools.
Nicholas
"John Howard multiculturalism - celebrating migration but without the migrants"
You're wrong in saying "without the migrants". Immigration under Howard was the highest that it's been for many years, certainly higher than it was under Hawke and Keating.
It's environmentalists like Tim Flannery who are the strongest opponents of the view that we have "boundless plains to share" with "those who come from across the seas". It's impossible to reconcile an immigration program with the view that Australia is already overpopulated.
David Marr, Don Watson, and The Luvvies writing a national anthem for Australia!!?? WTF? These people HATE Australia. One of their member - KKKomandent Bahnsich from Luvvie Prodeo - is now bemoaning the white rapists whom aboriginal women are forced to marry! Pavolv's Cat is right. These people SHOULD be locked in a room. A room with padded walls!
We should defintely change the National Anthem to God Save The Queen. The Sex Pistols version.
Of course the irony of "Howard's refugee policy" was that it was "Keating and Hand's refugee policy" first.
Sorry James, sorry Jacques,
Realignment of respective esteem has been arranged.
Just for the record, We Are Australian may sound great sung (if you like that sort of thing) but, frankly, it'd sound terrible played by a brass band or orchestra, which is mostly the way the rest of the world hears it. By far the most common occasion for this to occur is when Casey Stoner wins a motorcycle GP, by the way.
While the thought of making a song about a suicidal criminal our national anthem does appeal, I can't imagine anybody will seriously go for it. Try explaining that one in the citizenship handbook...
And, finally, while it's a dirge sung, it's not that bad without a vocal, when competently arranged. While (de facto) English anthem Land of Hope and Glory is a belter, as is La Marseillaise and possibly O Canada, there's a lot of terrible dreck. Only Jimi Hendrix was able to make The Star-Spangled Banner bearable. Germany's is similarly bad. China's is OK, but I'm buggered how you'd sing to it. And so on.
So let's keep Advance Austraila Fair, but do something original - have a different tune for when it's sung rather than played orchestrally. Perhaps this would do nicely...
There's no question. Anyone who's listened to the 2JJJ coverage of State of Origin knows the national anthem not only should be but is Lionel Rose's I Thank You.
Personally, I think that AC/DC's 'It's a long way to the (if you want to rock and roll)' would be fantastic. Seriously, the opening riff would strike fear and awe at any event, just what you want! The overall message is also worthy.
Either that of Icehouse's 'Great Southern Land'.
I'm not sure why we have to stick with European orchestration, it's the twenty-first century!
Kris
I've always favoured Men At Work's "Where the women fart and men chunder." But Great Southern Land is a fantastic idea.
Great Southern Land is a fave for me too.
Im not sure why we have to stick with European orchestration, its the twenty-first century!
True, there's always the good old rock combo - guitars (European instrument), drums (European instrument), bass-harmony (European, goes back at least as far as the basso-continuo of the baroque era), vocalisation (standard European technique, as seen in countless operas and lieders and popular songs from medieval times to the present)...
Closet Icehouse fan here, so a definite vote for Great Southern Land, but as per Robert Merkel's concern, it probably wouldn't sound great played by a brass band, or indeed any instrumental combination I can think of. BTW, Robert, your link is broken.
Speaking of instrumentation though, something that uses at least one uniquely Australian instrument would be be a plus (whatever happened to the lagerphone?).
Rob Merkel's point at 17 is a good one: lyrics aren't the whole point of a national anthem. Most European anthems began as tunes without words, I think. Spain still doesn't have any words for its anthem. Or rather, it did have some words under the fascists, but after Franco's demise they were scrapped. Since then it's been impossible to come up with lyrics that sum up Spain as a national entity that also satisfy the Catalans, the Basque, the Andalusians, Galicians etc et6c
As anyone ever suggested trying to set Dorothea Mackellar to a decent tune? True, it's only about the physical aspects of the Australian landscape, but trying to mention anything else these days is bound to offend someone. And supposedly Australians now care about the environment more than anything else (but only when answering opinion polls).
Anthony,
that does it for me. Waltzing Matilda just IS a national anthem. And those that don't like the words can either not use them or sing God/Yahweh/Allah/Shiva Bless Australia.
But I love the idea that a national anthem survives without the words.
I also like Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles, words of megalomania set a tune of lyricism and pathos. Gives me
goosestepsgoosebumps. Still that's reading it through the German's stained history. I guess without that history the words would strike us as no more than childish boosterism at worst or well intentioned patriotism at best.Oh, and Dulcie Holland's version: http://nla.gov.au/nla.mus-vn468 doesn't count, sorry.
NPOV,
Yes, it has been set to music. Doesn't pass the brass band test unfortunately.
"Skippy the Bush Kangaroo" would be my choice.
Did you mean Ms Holland's version? That actually seems quite apt for brass band usage, but give me AAF over that tune anyday.
If we're going to kangaroos involved, "Let me abos go loose, Lou" has to be the frontrunner.
I like the Marseillaise just for that scene in Rick's in Casablanca.
But I agree with Bill Cushing that the lyrics are probably a bit rich for this day and age.
I quite like the South African anthem Nikosi Sikel'iAfrica (with five languages!)
But for ours, why not just keep it? It sounds fine when sung before the Rugby.
So the Spanish don't sing their anthem, and the Swiss don't surf. In fact, contra Robert, the main occasion for anthems in our culture is actually school assemblies, so you're asking for a middle sized cultural change if you want to do away with singing. I also would have thought singing together was part of the national bonding process. I don't get all the stuff about brass bands; most bands these days -- including school bands, have big wind sections and can get quite a sophisticated sound happening.
The Icehouse song is nice, and the lyrics have a certain timelessness about them, but there's not enough by way of catchy tune for it to work as a singalong anthem. Both We Are Australian and Waltzing Matlida, by contrast, have powerful and easily recognisable tunes.
As far as lyrics go, any song that tries to convey something about our cultural essence is bound to reflect the preoccupations of the day. and to sound a bit quaint and dated after a while. The Albert Namatjira line is case in point. But I can't see what Nicholas's problem is with the 'one voice' formulation. It's pretty clear what it's saying -- for all our diversity we share a passion for the country and certain fundamental characteristics that make it special to us. That's what national anthems should be -- statements of unity, mutual commitment and so on. Someone who hates being herded or feels generally cynical about that probably doesn't want a national anthem at all, and that's a legitimate position. All I';m saying is that if we must have an anthem, we can do much better than AAF.
I agree we need to guard against pomposity, but I don't see anything in those lines that smacks of self-importance or hubris. On the other hand, if you want an anthem that specifically makes a point about irony and self-deprecation as core Aussie values, earnestness and sincerity as core national aversions, then Waltzing Matilda is the obvious choice.
Speaking of Paul Kelly, I think that, suitably adapted, From Little Things, Big Things Grow wouldn't be a bad anthem, but indigenous people probably wouldn't want to see it appropriated by the mainstream.
Yes, the SA anthem is terrific, Patrick.
The Swiss don't surf?
OK, I take it all back.
"I also like Deutschland Deutschland Uber Alles, words of megalomania set a tune of lyricism and pathos"
It's actually "Das Lied Der Deutschen - The Song of the Germans ("Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles" is the first line)and it was the far from megalomaniacal Weimar government which declared it to be the official anthem in 1922.
The Nazis only used the first verse and added the Horst Wessel Lied in lieu of the
other two.
Current use is restricted to the third verse which confines itself to celebrating unity, justice, diversity and the annexation of sun loungers at foreign holiday resorts.
Yes, the poor Germans have to spend a disproportionate amount of their time explaining to everyone else that the '
My criticism of the 'we are one' business is essentially aesthetic rather than ideological. Lyrics of songs are appreciated according to a different and more permissive standard than words in other contexts.
I wonder if there are any anthems that work that seek to somehow capture some cultural essence. I think the great anthems do capture something, but that is appreciated almost without exception in retrospect. I don't particularly like La Marseillaise but that's just me. I don't much like the tune and I think it's hackneyed. But most people love it and it conjures up a moment in history and something of which the French are proud. So in it goes with the greats.
Lots of people hate the star spangled banner. But for me it's fine for mostly the same reasons that others like La Marseillaise. I can see why it makes Americans proud. It makes me proud and I'm not even an American. It captures the romance of the US revolution on which American sensibility is built. It's hard to appreciate it because it's now a clich
James, my link was a joke - Adam Hills doing the words of AAF to the tune of Jimmy Barnes' "Working Class Man".
Anyway, what I meant was that while we might sing it at school assemblies (something guaranteed to ruin any tune - nobody murders a melody like a bunch of adolescent boys) foreigners hear it mainly in as an orchestral accompaniment to a) Australian sportspeople winning something, or b) when Rudd Force One lands in Upper Volta or wherever he's off to next. So a basic requirement of an anthem is that it should sound good, both when played instrumentally on typical anthem instruments (again, a brass band or full orchestra), and when sung by a large crowd of amateur singers.
I can tell you now (as somebody that actually learned quite a bit of music as a kid) that We Are Australian, or just about any other riff-driven pop song, sounds like crap when played by such a group. The verse melody is too repetitive and dull when stripped of lyrics, and the guitar riffs that the song relies upon for its punch simply don't translate well to brass, strings or woodwind. The same would apply to Great Southern Land, or From Little Things, Big Things Grow. Any arrangement that did sound OK would be so different from the original that it'd be damn near impossible to sing along to.
I'm not knocking any of these tunes for what they are, but they aren't going to work as anthems. Sorry.
I rather like the tune of AAF. The words can always be changed. How about asking Les Murray to come up with a few lines? :) There is also only so much change that (old) people can take. The Germans changed their lyrics (don't mention the war) but kept the song.
I do not think that Walzing Matilda means anything, except to white baby boomers like Nick and me. I also wonder about the value of lyrics that glorify the "land" part of the great south land. Most of us live in the suburbs.
Nicholas Gruen
There is far too much of this vapid "celebrate diversity" muzak pumped through our polity. And it's a crock. People are tired of being pushed into being "different." Without solidarity, a sense of being bound together, social capital collapses and so does society. If folks are going to reject nationalism as a source of that social glue, then we really are in for a rough trot old son.
I still don't understand why you can't have a banging rock or pop tune? Seriously, is it written anywhere? Who's gonna stop a country from picking a 'modern' song?
Historically speaking, national anthems are relatively new. Why stay stuck in a nineteenth century timewarp? Time to bring 'em into the present, I reckon!
Wot Rob Merkel says.
Also, it's interesting that AAF, introduced by the Whitlam Government after basically being chosen by a committee, doesn't ever seem to have got popular traction. Well, that's probably predictable when you usher out a traditional, well-known song (God Save the Queen) and replace it with a poorly known song.
According to Pete Sculthorpe, who I took some music classes under at Sydney Uni - and who was one of the committee selecting the 'new' national anthem - it was sort of a case of worst amongst equals.
I also agree wtih Chris Lloyd by way of reiterating my objection to Waltzing Matilda; the lyrics and tune have become famous more through luck than art. Neither are particularly memorable, but they are just associated with a distinctive period in Australian history. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has to restrain the urge to vomit when Waltzing Matilda is pulled out every Anzac Day (or just about every other state occasion) by the television networks to symbolise 'what it means to be Australian'. There are plenty more memorable tunes.
I think I prefer California uber alles.
"Australia, uber alles, Australia uber alles
Uber alles, australia, Uber alles Austraaalia"
Maybe not ...
God defend New Zealand? At school we used to sing
"God of Nations at thy feet,
Please defend the toilet seat ..."
We wuz way witty.
"Lots of people hate the star spangled banner. But for me its fine for mostly the same reasons that others like La Marseillaise."
I like them both for their affirming choruses -
"Oh! Say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave? And,
"Grab your weapons, citizens!
Let's form our battalions!
Let's march! March!
May [their] foul blood run in the furrows of our fields!"
Very different sentiments to the slightly desperate summing up of Australia's attributes encapsulated in:
Well, we've um golden soil......um
We've wealth!.....for toil and ummm
our land is girt by sea?
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In that case, we should just keep the tune and get John Singleton to write the words. Football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars could use a bit of updating though.
John,
If you think I'm arguing for an anthem full of multicultural bumph, I'm not trying to argue for that. I'm a supporter of multiculturalism, but I get sick of multicultural propaganda being pumped through all the musak of our national identity just like you.
I wonder how popular opinion of Advance Australia Fair varies with age.
I grew up singing it primary school and watching it played every time we won a medal in the Olympics from '84 onwards*, so it's indelibly associated in my mind with "Australian achievement", and I'll readily admit to something of a positive emotional reaction to it, despite the fairly uninspiring nature of the tune and lyrics. Also, it does have one word in it - "fair" - that is fairly fundamental to the Australian ethos, and is missing from any of the (obviously-not-particularly-serious) alternative suggestions here.
At any rate, in the list of things-that-need-to-change-in-Australia it surely ranks as a footnote in a rear appendix.
The words Advance Australia Fair are very beautiful words. But the tune is more than a touch too empty. It can be sung on auto-pilot, which rules it out in the anthem stakes. The tune too often tunes you out - there's no musical hook in it. It seeks to dig (into the power and magic), scoops up and scoops up again, but in the end your bum has been elevated from the seat and before you know it you've floated away a bit. A good anthem will rivet you to the ground, then rise your spirit.
Try singing Flower of Scotland on auto-pilot. "And send him homeward.. tae think again". The words preclude you from doing it.
How Star Spangled Banner came to be written is quite a story. The words like so many anthems are a bit too war-ry, but it's purely American, and speaks deeply for them. A hundred thousand voices - or just one at home - can tear your heart out because of the way it's sung, the way it holds America and the way it tells.
Over time, words and phrases can take on a changed colour and tone, such that the view they present is altogether different. The Scottish phrase above speaks of many things other than war. The words waltzing and matilda combined throw up anything other than a waltz; excepting that the wolt and the zing as easysing music have grown to speak of Australian voices combined, arm in arm as such. But would you sing that, or AAF, at home, alone?
For all of this, it's very difficult to separate our anthem from the rugby, whatever that means.
David, would you prefer "baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet", which they had in the USA? Or perhaps braaivleis, rugby, sunny skies and Chevrolet, from South Africa, which appears to be the original source of the campaign?
Kris, it's real simple. It's going to be around for 50 or 100 years, get played by orchestras, and people are going to sing along with the orchestral backing. Pop songs sound like crap under such conditions.
Or possibly "Tiddleywinks, Blood Sausage, Tripe and Omnibuses..." - the British version.
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA CAUCASIAN, not in my name!
I have been singing both AAF and Waltzing Matilda a lot recently, mostly in the middle of the night to my toddler, as about the only songs that I can remember all the words to. Having road tested them in that way, I greatly favour AAF, the WM song/story is trite and repetitive and really means nothing.
And I can't stand Banjo Paterson for his mythologising of Australia. Give me Henry Lawson any day.
The plebiscite was really quite clear, AAF beat WM hands down: http://www.hamilton.net.au/advance.html
Here's verses two to five, for those who've never read them (I can't tell what status verses 2,4 and 5 have, possibly not legit):
When gallant Cook from Albion sail'd,
To trace wide oceans o'er,
True British courage bore him on,
Till he landed on our shore.
Then here he raised Old England's flag,
The standard of the brave;
With all her faults we love her still,
"Britannia rules the wave!"
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
Beneath our radiant southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
While other nations of the globe
Behold us from afar,
We'll rise to high renown and shine
Like our glorious southern star;
From England, Scotia, Erin's Isle,
Who come our lot to share,
Let all combine with heart and hand
To advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
Shou'd foreign foe e'er sight our coast,
Or dare a foot to land,
We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore
To guard our native strand;
Britannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide ocean's roll,
Her sons in fair Australia's land
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains the let us sing
"Advance Australia fair!"
What about My Island Home (Warumpi Band, also Christine Anu)? Great lyrics, but like the other pop tunes might fail as an instrumental.
I was going to suggest My Island Home. It is already one of the unofficial ones. A very nice and moving song.
it's always been Waltzing Matilda for me. AAF in no way expresses the real spirit of Australia.
Robert (49)
Yes, but why is that assumption made? There's no rule as such. Anthems come and go, and I honestly couldn't tell you the last event that I've been to where and orchestra (of variation thereof) have actually been present. They whack in a tape (with that frankly embarrassing Julie Anthony-esque intro), and some kids or solo singer sings along to it. Test cricket, ANZAC Day, Australia Day, I seriously haven't seen a real band play it for maybe 10 years, and yet I've seen it sung at least 75 times in that period. It's a convention, sure, but I can see no reason for that the be a hard and fast rule.
Well, it might be said that in the period since it has been the national anthem (1977), "Advance Australia Fair" has aged quite a bit more poorly than "It's a Long Way to the Top" (1975). And anyway, it's a bit hard to speculate how such songs will 'hold up' time wise anyway. Again, I see no reason that a well structured pop or rock tune can't be recognised as quality well into the future. If it does age, change it. It's done all the time for all sorts of reasons.
Now, I'm not actually seriously arguing that AC/DC should have the anthem (of course I know that is never going to happen), but I am bemused that plenty of far more worthy songs than some of the trite nonsense that gets trotted out every ten or so years this crops up are dismissed utterly out of hand because of a set of conventions that are a) not particularly old; b) are of a particular 'time and place' [the 19th C European rise of the nation-state] that is not particularly relevant to modern, diverse states; c) haven't aged very well, and thus sound 'dated' to most; and c) are frankly not all that interesting anyway.
The comments from wilful, Chris Lloyd, Tim T and NPOV have challenged my assumption that Waltzing Matilda is universally loved. The song usually brings a lump to my throat, especially when I hear it abroad. I don't count myself as a baby boomer, but maybe its magic is restricted after all to particular generations. I didn't hear AAF until my mid-teens, and it always left me cold, but perhaps people who were imprinted at a younger age get a thrill from it.
I listened to several versions of My Island Home just now, and found it pleasant but bland. The 'island' concept doesn't resonate. A big part of Australia's fascination is that it's a whole bloody continent: let the citizens of Madagascar, Sri Lanka or Jamaica have My island Home.
I can't really see what Kris is on about, except that he seems to have an ax to grind about the tyranny of '19th Century assumptions'. You can use any instrumental accompaniment you like for an anthem, or any generic form: it just has to have a moving and singable tune.
What we need, in a new national anthem, is something that reflects the intellectual spohisitication of 21st century Australia; something that will once and for all discredit all those old stereotypes and misperceptions of Australia overseas. Something like this.
I hear you there!
James, I was responding to the assertion in point 49 that assumed a very narrow idea of what is appropriate 'instrumental accompaniment'.
I've can assure you that I have no ax to grind, all that I was attempting to do (perhaps poorly) was point out that historically, the notion of national anthems emerged really in the 19th C, and that there shouldn't be so much of a problem with 'modernising' them. Not sure where the 'tyranny' part comes in, I quite like some 19th Century assumptions, less so others.
Whenever I'm long way from home - like now in Kaohsiung TW - its strange how uncynical one becomes. I Still Call Australia By Phone By pete Allen brings tears to my eyes, especiaLLy when the fat prick beside me on qantas flight xx567 sang it 20 times over as we waited and it repeated on the runway at fuckin tulla fer gorsakes.
anything as an anthem has to sound good sung by a choir of 7 years olds at a primary school xmas concert.
no one has mentioned Khe Sahn or surely the defacto anthem - You Can Throwwooooh owowowwo Your Arms Around Me - so shed your skin and lets get started.......
Solid Rock, Livin In The Land Of Oz by Daddy Cool has always been one of my contenders
How could anyone go past Peter Allen's immortal Australian anthem? It's just so easy to take the piss out of, surely the central requirement of any Australian national anthem, to avoid taking ourselves too seriously, although Matilda the sheep fucker serves a similar purpose without even trying.
IMO "O Canada" is the best official anthem and "Jerusalem" the best unofficial one.
Always been partial to Ganggajang's "Sounds Of Then" as far as a rock anthem goes.
Oh and Rule Britannia. Just hearing that makes me want to go and convert savages in colonial lands for old time's sake.
Kevin Rudd ought to write a new anthem. It should contain dated sayings, managerial new-speak and market-researched cute words.
In short, it should be beaut, with conditionality.
Of course, he will have to run it by 1000 of our best and brightest rubber stamps.
I can see the reason for using the brass band and orchestral arrangement tests but what about being able to sing it drunk and with gusto. Flower of Scotland meets this test beautifully. AAF doesn't cut it but then a gentle waltz doesnt make it either. Maybe we do need a new one.
The Triffids. No, it's not really national anthem material (although it's anthemic) but I'd rather have that than Peter Allen or "It's a long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll"
I had no idea that the Football, meat pies thing was some global conspiracy of bogan nationalism Robert Merkel. I am ashamed.
Isn't nationalism itself a dead concept like communism? I mean, really, who needs it? Who needs the awful things done in the name of it? I think it makes a good case for choosing something completely irreverent, to stand in public in front of the world and make the claim that nationalism is dead.
"How could anyone go past Peter Allens immortal Australian anthem? Its just so easy to take the piss out of, surely the central requirement of any Australian national anthem..."
Yes - and was it the D-Generation who did a version 'I Still Call a Gay Bar Home'?
Anthony
George Michael does a version of that called "I'd love to call Matt Dillon's underpants home." Perhaps we could change the lyrice to Les Patterson?
One point of irony about Waltzing Matilda is that it has been adopted by Rugby Union fans, one of the last bastions of the squattocracy, and yet part of the mythology of the song is it's about the 1891 shearers strike, totally anti these privileged classes that enjoy rugby.
(Plz note I'm a rugby fan too)
Thanks for the clarification, Kris, but your idea of modernising sounds to me a bit too much like chasing musical fashion. The rock classic that suits your taste will be the next generation's odious anachronism which they, in a spirit of modernising, will replace with a rap anthem (though with luck I'll be deaf by then). We should find something timeless that lends itself to a wide variety of instrumental and vocal arrangement. Robert didn't convince me that We are Australian doesn't meet these criteria.
By the way, I see you've blogged on this: you shouldn't be shy about linking to your post.
How about 'Up There Cazaly' then?
James, I'm quite sure about this, but why don't we ask an expert in the area? Perhaps a professional composer or arranger?
Alright then James, here's the link.
It's all about taste I guess. We are Australian doesn't do it for me. I think that is the lack of 'pomp'. A good anthem needs plenty of pomp. I tell you what used to resonate with me (and it should be free for use), is the old Hymn of the Soviet Union!
Waltzing Matilda won't do for a very simple reason. Queenslanders (and I think Wazzies, though I stand to be corrected on that) sing it TO A DIFFERENT TUNE.
As for Peter Allen's effort, I still remember folding up when a parodist sang "I still call Los Angeles home.", then stopped, sheepishly grinned and said "Oops, sorry, jet lag."
Picking a rock anthem to replace an orchestral anthem has a lot of visceral appeal to me, except that I'm truly worried we'd end up with a disco anthem. Or something by Tina Arena. Or that fine tribute to the Lucky Country by a fine Australian entitled "I should be so lucky!".
All of which does not change the fact that AAF sucks and we should try again.
More marketing humbug. That canny bastard O'Neill didn't want the All Blacks
to be the only ones to have a stirring pre-match ritual so he just made one
up. Nice one John. Bit like all those phony cups and plates and whatnot. Hell,
it worked for the Bledisloe, why not devalue it by trying it on with every
other match eh?
Robert M., I'm not a professional composer or arranger, but I've certainly done my share of it through the years (including for the M.S.O.), and I agree entirely - it's very very difficult to make pop songs (especially the ones mentioned here) sound much good when played by orchestras or brass bands, and only the best arrangers can do it, and even then only the best bands and orchestras can really pull it off. Inevitably national anthems are not arranged by the best arrangers around, or performed by the best possible players. OTOH, something like AAF is pretty much impossible to get wrong, even if it is similarly almost impossible to make it sound truly awe-inspiring.
Robert and NPOV: for your consideration.
I don't know if it would work at a motorcycle GP, but I don't care very much.
Truly excruciating. But no worse than the same school band would perpetrate on Waltzing Matilda, God Save the Queen or the Marseillaise. I'm not sure where that gets you, however.
"I tell you what used to resonate with me (and it should be free for use), is the old Hymn of the Soviet Union!"
It's not free for use.The tune is now the anthem of the Russian Federation - with different lyrics that, unsurprisingly, no longer mention Vladimir Lenin. I preferred the tune of the Internationale, which the Soviet Union used as an anthem until 1944
On anthems Russian, what also resonates with me is "God Save The Tsar." A magnificent thunderous choral piece that Tchaikovsky memorably incorporated into the 1812 Overture. He used La Marseillaise interchangeably with GSTT to symbolise the clash of the French and Russian armies at the Battle of Borodino even though Napoleon had banned La Marseillaise as the national anthem.
The Grande Armee used "Partant Pour La Syrie" as a kind of national song in lieu and it briefly became the French national anthem during Napoleon III's Second Empire. It's pretty good and it probably is going free.
FWIW, if I had to pick favourite national anthem, I reckon I'd go for Biafra's.
Though only when orchestra by Sibelius.
Ken, my point was not so much that the Narara Valley High School Band is an undiscovered national treasure, as that this particular song can be and has been arranged for what Robert calls a brass band. It was the only instrumental version I could find, and I was anticipating that you could abstract from the execution. That said, good on them for having a go.
Yes James. But I was referring to NPOV's point:
We Are Australian is indisputably a pop song, that wasn't the best band (in fact it's pretty bad even for a school band), and it certainly didn't "pull it off". Whether that's a good arrangement is something on which I'm not qualified to express an opinion. Nevertheless, your YouTube seems if anything to illustrate NPOV's argument quite dramatically: most pop songs probably don't have the necessary attributes for a national anthem. OTO the Narara Valley High School Band may well be so bad that they would butcher just about any piece of music, so maybe your example doesn't in fact establish anything either way. And yes, good on them for having a go, in the same sense that you'd say good on Eddie the Eagle for having a go at Olympic ski jumping.
I don't agree that it's a pop song, perhaps because I've heard it performed mostly by school choirs, including very large ones. I suppose the underlying structure is that of a folk ballad, as is the case with Waltzing Matilda. I think the clip dramatically refutes NPOV's argument that you quoted, and it's a pity that the quality of the performance gets in the way of your reaching the correct conclusion.
Of course neither WM or AAF is great - or even good - music. But faced with the choice we should have gone for WM because it was the marching song of the original Anzacs. Though I reckon they probably sang the original words - it's a Victorian drinking song called "Kitty Fisher's Locket" (Kitty was generous with her locket). If you don't like the words about the sheep-thief, how would you like having schoolkids singing that at assembly?
The Star-Spangled Banner has too big a vocal range for crowd singing - it's fine for a professional, but try hearing a football crowd strain for the high notes in "the rockets red glare ...". Maybe the Yanks should adopt the Battle Hymn of the Republic instead (dreadful music, but easy to sing and some of the lyrics are good).
The Marsellaise is, of course, simply wonderful right from its opening ("Arise, children of the nation, the day of glory is here. Tyranny has raised its bloody standard against us ..."). But you need all the original verses (eg the bits about "But for whom do they prepare these chains? For us and for our children!"). Mind you, the other well known French revolutionary song - Ca Ira ("This will be") - is also a fun song counselling the hanging of all aristocrats from lampposts. The music had to be one reason Napoleon's troops were so good.
On which basis I take it we should go for God save the Tsar?
James, if you think your clip refutes my point, then I think we can conclude we have rather different standards by which we judge the success of a musical arrangement.
NPOV
I know we have different tastes in tunes, if you really like AAF. However, orchestral arrangement should be a more objective matter, and since you claimed to some expertise, which I don't, I was hoping you might be able to enlighten me with a bit of analysis rather than arguments from authority (your own). I contended that I am Australian could be transformed into a rousing anthem - indeed it's a de facto one already at events like the Schools Spectacular and other mass school events, where it seems to elicit a much stronger response than the official anthem. You and Robert were saying it couldn't be done as a band piece. I found a clip that shows it can be done: even if it's just a first attempt and not well performed, it is the kind of thing I had in mind.
James, I didn't say I "really liked AAF", I just said I had something of a "position emotional reaction to it", mainly due to its associations with Australians doing well in olympic events.
Nor did I say "I am Australian" couldn't be done as a band piece. I would somewhat dispute that it can be done as a 'rousing' band piece, though I don't doubt there are there arrangers out there that could do it if they really put their mind to it.
Chairman Rudd and his General Secretary Madam Gillard should extinguish all copyright to Peter Anthem's anthem - particularly those associated with Qantas - and I Still Call Australia The Land Down Under, Where Women Fart and Men Chunder could ring out from a thousand school assemblies by the Queen's Birthday.
James, for what it's worth, I spent about 20 minutes playing around with a (synthesized) brass band version of the chorus, and I'd allow it's just possible to make it reasonably rousing (with enough military-style drumming thrown in!)... but the verse is a different matter. Unfortunately I don't have any means of recording & uploading what I did other than a number of free midi-to-mp3 convertors that, to put it mildly, don't produce anything worth listening to. I could also put the midi file somewhere, but unless you have a really good synth it'd sound pretty awful - in fact even with my high-end (if aging) Korg unit, it sounds pretty lame unless you use various tricks that only work on that unit.
NPOV
I really appreaciate your giving it some (belated!) thought. I agree that the verses are trickier, but I think the key is that a relatively hushed opening is OK as long as there's the promise of a rollicking chorus when you get there. Perhaps one verse is enough -- and for something like a medal presentation you could just skip straight to the chorus -- but I thought the arrangement in my clip had the right approach, with flutes for the first verse, and a bass clarinet or sax or whatever it is (and a rising tempo and some backing) in the second verse and so on.
John
Your suggestion is as hilarious at #90 as it was at #20. Please remind me again in due course.
"Your suggestion is as hilarious at #90 as it was at #20."
And still not the actual lyrics!
Great Southern Land has it in the bag lyrically, but wouldn't translate to choir or brass band*, and is musically a bit depressing.
I am, you are, we are blah-blah blah-blah - syrupy meaningless motherhood statements anyone?
I Still Call Australia Home is pretty much ideal - outward-looking enough for a globalised world, but unflinchingly parochial at the same time.
*(someone may have mentioned this already) For how long are we going to use that benchmark? Is there no chance that guitars and drums will become the de facto backing some time down the track? How long does rock and fucking roll need to keep doing the hard yards before it gets some respect? We probably have to wait until nobody is left alive who remembers life before it (sorry to any such relics reading).
I Still Call Australia Home would amply reflect our national spirit of irony -- an image of of Australia drawn from the fading memories of the sentimental expatriate. But it's actually the ingenious rhyming that elevates the song to greatness, e.g.: free, sea; foam, home.
Well...brass instruments have been used since Roman times for occasions of pomp and ceremony, so the rock & roll set has got a way to go before it has that sort of history behind it. Even the modern brass band as we know it is at least 150 years old. The association between a big brassy sound and a big momentous occasion is pretty much an ingrained part of Western culture, one I can't see changing any time soon.
FWIW, I'm no particular fan of brass band music generally, but if you ever listen to anything by Empire Brass, you might become a convert. There's some samples at their website but they don't entirely do it justice.
NPOV, can we set some appropriate lyrics to the 'Theme from Hawaii Five-0' then?
Actually, the best brass band music of all time has to be the James Bond theme.
Amazing ... not a single mention of Mandy Vanstone's stirring effort from a couple of yeras ago.
James
Mythology and romance are precisely what a national anthem require.
I think the most obvious contender for an anthem which will offend and amuse all Australians equally does come from popular music, but not pop or rock. Slim Dusty penned the most sensitive and accurate appraisal of real true blue oz kulcha with "I love to have a beer with Duncan" which I can already hear being sung with wild enthusiasm by the entire school population of this great sunburnt land.
Seriously, it passes the brass band of ordinary ability test with outrageous oom-pah oom-pah ness and will bring tears of mirth to anyone who can understand English. What more does one need?
As long as we stick to only the first two verses and there's no mention of Britannia in sight, I am quite content with our current National Anthem.
All this has been said and done on the Tribal Mind or related blog over at Fairfax & over there you'll discover Great Southern Land was about South Africa.
Out of the options offered I like "I am Australian"
Well, if like me, your funnybone is tickled by the sight of medal-winning Australian sportsfolk on the podium at international sporting events, moving their lips completely out of sync as they struggle to recall the words to our national anthem blasted out through the stadium PA - then "Advance Australia Fair" is the song, no question.
However if we really want a singalong national tune that truly reflects our place in the world...
And what hell happened to Greedy Smith? Why isn't he hosting a cult cable show called "When Aussie Barbies Attack."
The other great lost talents from that era (who could also knock out a national ditty on commission over a dirty weekend) are Dave Mason and Sean Kelly.
If the world was perfect, Dave Mason would now be International Investment Advisor for the Kingdom of Bhutan and Sean Kelly would have written all the music for a killer series of hard-nosed Aus crime movies based on Gary Disher's Wyatt - the eantipodean Parker.